and so if left to America nothing will ever dramatically change in the region.

 

 

 

So why should we help if nothing dramatic will ever change? Wouldn't that just be a waste of taxpayers money and manpower which could be used for something more worthwhile?

 

 

 

Nothing will ever dramatically change because America is so damn scared of anything challenging capitalism. Thats why.

 

 

 

I didn't ask why nothing would change, I asked why we should bother helping if it's not worthwhile.

 

 

 

It would only be dramatically worthwhile if your country changed it's absolute capitalist stances in favor of humanitarian ones. Sometimes i think Marx would have done himself a huge favor had he not played the scare-tactic card in his work, by saying Communism definatley will come about as a synthesis to capitalism. Drop Marx's paradoxical statements and America may be more accepting that the only way to change these situations is by using another form of economical ideology on a smaller level. Otherwise I agree there is no point helping.

 

 

 

Seeing as how we're not going to change our ways overnight, I think it would be a better idea to try to get a country that supports communism to help. However, that might also cause problems with the US since we're totally anti-communist.

The only coutries that could ever help enough are all massivley capitilist at heart, which is why they are the only ones that could ever help because caplitalism is money. Communist countries at the moment don't have the abilities to help out. They have their own problems because of their economic structure being on such a large scale.

The only coutries that could ever help enough are all massivley capitilist at heart, which is why they are the only ones that could ever help because caplitalism is money. Communist countries at the moment don't have the abilities to help out. They have their own problems because of their economic structure being on such a large scale.

 

 

 

WE (as in america) WILL NOT SEND MORE OF OUR BOYS TO DIE!!! we went to Iraq, everybody siad "yay! we took out a dictator!" nobody opposed us going in. now everybody says "well, i didnt like this from the start, we should just give up." that is in one country. Why would we send OUR young men and women over-seas AGAIN, just so the same thing will happen. im sick of everyone hating my fine country. yes there is suffering, yes it is horrendous, yes, something needs to be done, so how about the UK or germany or france(wait, no, not france, they would wimp out) and let THEM stage a invasion. we might show and help out and then leave them to stay and get blown up by car bombs by themselves. why cant anyone see that America is not going to get itself into another conflict with no garuntee of success when the only thing that will happen is the rest of the world will whine and complain about how we do it?

The only coutries that could ever help enough are all massivley capitilist at heart, which is why they are the only ones that could ever help because caplitalism is money. Communist countries at the moment don't have the abilities to help out. They have their own problems because of their economic structure being on such a large scale.

 

 

 

WE (as in america) WILL NOT SEND MORE OF OUR BOYS TO DIE!!! we went to Iraq, everybody siad "yay! we took out a dictator!" nobody opposed us going in. now everybody says "well, i didnt like this from the start, we should just give up." that is in one country. Why would we send OUR young men and women over-seas AGAIN, just so the same thing will happen. im sick of everyone hating my fine country. yes there is suffering, yes it is horrendous, yes, something needs to be done, so how about the UK or germany or france(wait, no, not france, they would wimp out) and let THEM stage a invasion. we might show and help out and then leave them to stay and get blown up by car bombs by themselves. why cant anyone see that America is not going to get itself into another conflict with no garuntee of success when the only thing that will happen is the rest of the world will whine and complain about how we do it?

 

 

 

As I said;

 

 

 

America as a country should for the time being return to a laissez faire type policy on all events excluding climate change. However as a humanitarian, they need to help. I don't buy this "Everyone else should help first" argument.

 

 

 

As a humanitarian I am arguing from a humanitarian point of view. If i was not, then as i already said America should return to a laissez faire policy.

how can we help without getting into another full blown war? the US has problems of its own you know, we arent perfect. the UNs JOB is to take care of things like this but they arent doing anything about it.

 

 

 

my points stands, how can we help without war?

how can we help without getting into another full blown war? the US has problems of its own you know, we arent perfect. the UNs JOB is to take care of things like this but they arent doing anything about it.

 

 

 

my points stands, how can we help without war?

 

 

 

You can't help without war, people who live in oppressive regimes in countries like these only suffer worse from economic sanctions that the UN could apply. The only way is to remove these threats to innocent civilians by force. It's one of those extreme cases, but it would be pretty irrelevant in the long run because of capitalist societys's political attitude towards different economical systems. Places like this would not be helped by a capitalist economical regime enstated on them, communism would be a hell of a lot better on smaller scales.

and so if left to America nothing will ever dramatically change in the region.

 

 

 

So why should we help if nothing dramatic will ever change? Wouldn't that just be a waste of taxpayers money and manpower which could be used for something more worthwhile?

 

 

 

Nothing will ever dramatically change because America is so damn scared of anything challenging capitalism. Thats why.

 

Eh, it's nowhere near as bad as it used to be, but you're pretty much right on that point :| .

Has some people said, maybe it isn't the US-es( :-k ) job to go in. Maybe the UN needs to do something. What do they do....err talk?

Has some people said, maybe it isn't the US-es( :-k ) job to go in. Maybe the UN needs to do something. What do they do....err talk?

 

 

 

The Sudanese government wont let UN peace keeping troupes into Darfur, they want to handle it themselves but they can't.

Has some people said, maybe it isn't the US-es( :-k ) job to go in. Maybe the UN needs to do something. What do they do....err talk?

 

 

 

The Sudanese government wont let UN peace keeping troupes into Darfur, they want to handle it themselves but they can't.

 

 

 

 

 

Well they need to somehow push themselfs in.errr... Yeah. But it's true. This is making me so mad you have no idea! Why can't the UN just go in?!

 

 

 

 

 

Most of that made no sense, and im sorry, just venting some frustration. With this world.

I have a new challange for you, keep this bummped.

Why can't the UN just go in?!

 

 

 

It's more complicated than just rounding up a bunch of troops and shipping them off. Plus there could be consequences for interefering where we're not wanted.

Has some people said, maybe it isn't the US-es( :-k ) job to go in. Maybe the UN needs to do something. What do they do....err talk?

 

 

 

The Sudanese government wont let UN peace keeping troupes into Darfur, they want to handle it themselves but they can't.

 

 

 

oxy-moron anyone?

I was told to bump this thread...So here it is...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What steps should the World take to Stop this genocide?

Last year, George Clooney's father, Nick, came to speak at our school about Sudan and Darfur. It was really a mind-opening experience. Beforehand, I knew absolutely nothing about what was happening. I was just living my life like nothing was happening. He put an interesting perspective on the situation considering that he had actually been there. It's amazing to me that nothing has been done yet. People are dying everyday. The steps that I think we need to take are:

 

 

 

1. Get educated. We can't just go in there and say "Stop Fighting." That won't work. We need to learn about their culture and what the real problem is. We learned our lesson from Iraq. <--We aren't educated with Middle Eastern culture and tradition.

 

 

 

2. Take quick actions to overthrow the government in power.

 

 

 

3. Guard the villages from any remaining oppositon.

 

 

 

4. Supply the natives with an effective way to protect themselves so we don't get stuck there.

shaweet, glad this post got bumped, as hard as i tried it slipped my mind.

ahh, what the heck, bump.

 

 

 

 

 

question:

 

 

 

DO YOU THINK THAT THE UN TROOPS ARE DOING GOOD RIGHT NOW?

ahh, what the heck, bump.

 

 

 

 

 

question:

 

 

 

DO YOU THINK THAT THE UN TROOPS ARE DOING GOOD RIGHT NOW?

yes.

UN= useless naggers

 

 

 

They will cheer because of a cease fire, when in reality thousands are murdered behind the scenes.

Has anyone here seen Hotel Ruanda? The sad thing about this is: people will see the video, say: "how sad, poor kids/people", -maybe post on the Tip.it Forums about it- and then it'll be out of their lives again.

Yes, I have seen that movie. That's what made me so involved. It made me want to do something, insted of as quoted by the movie "go back eating your dinner'.

 

Good responses so far.

Do you happen to even have a plan to solve genocide in Sudan????? Nothing is going to change if you don't even have a way to solve it.

 

 

 

I didn't bother to read any other post other than your main one so if you do have plan it'd be a good idea to write it on your main posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Countries need to solve their problems on their own. As harsh as it sounds, it's true.

 

 

 

Your view of human nature may be different from mine, and i think a war thats been going on almost 20 years needs outside intervention.

 

 

 

So which country do you propose to intervene?

 

 

 

It really makes me question why our governments are allowing this type ot tourture to citizens of our planet.

 

 

 

Simple.

 

 

 

It's not your goverment's job to keep their gorverment doing theirs.

 

 

 

Exactly. It's the same reason many people voice their opinion that the United States should stop acting like the World Police.

 

 

 

Which could be said for World War One and Two aswell. However we should have more decency to step in when people are suffering i would have thought. We put ourselves in those childrens shoes. Fearful a lot of the time that they will be kidnapped and murdered, raped, shot, tortured and so on. They deserve our help just as every human being does.

 

 

 

Too bad the U.S lost all its credibility after Iraq. Not to mention military intervention would cause a conflict between the U.S and Sudan so there is simply no political will to help them.

 

 

 

Countries need to solve their problems on their own. As harsh as it sounds, it's true.

Yea, we should have just let Hitler rein in Germany and continue to take over the world and kill many people because of their religions. Yea, helpless countries should just help themselves while we live in peace. Well, that is, until we're attacked, and by then we'll be screwed over because they own the world.

 

 

 

Your theory is so flawed, summing it up, your an idiot, foreign policies are needed, hence how EVERY COUNTRY has them.

 

 

 

As I've said before, most people have thoughts beyond themselves.

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I'm beginning to hate the fact that people are never mentioning which country/countries they want to intervene...you say "we" but you could live in any country in the world

 

 

 

 

Countries need to solve their problems on their own. As harsh as it sounds, it's true.

 

 

 

I must radically disagree. "Countries" aren't god-given entities that exist by themselves. A country is a piece of land with imaginary borders that has been recognised by other states, and is inhabited by humans.

 

 

 

Humans in all countries are similar by the nature of their existence. If a country is willing to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians who have nothing to do with the power-hungry desires of a government that got into power by manipulation, it's everybody else's moral duty to help those people.

 

 

 

Don't think so? Think yourself in the same situation. This happens to children every day. They get abused beyond belief. They are kidnapped by rebel factions and trained to kill, forced labor, almost no nutrition..

 

 

 

Would you still say so, when you are not in the comfort of a country that hasn't seen wars for a generation? If you were actually there experiencing what those people experience every day?

 

 

 

There are times when action must be taken, when it is time to do the right thing. But there is no set situation when that is necessary, sorry. You just know when it's your moral obligation.

 

 

 

Right now, we are fighting the war on terror, and dealing with citizens who reject our own president- wearing stupid t-shirts that say "Bush sucks" etc. Are you saying that we should just drop all our problems at home / in iraq or in addition to, AND fight this Sudan thing? That's riddiculous.

 

 

 

You need to be realistic about these things. That's the problem with a lot of people, they think that since America is just this larger than life land of freedom with a freakin olive branch in its mouth, it should be responsible for all these other countries problems.

 

 

 

We're not communists.

 

 

 

So, the whole "What if you were there??" thing. Well of course you would want help, you'd be pretty odd for accepting your conditions as good! We cannot protect everyone though, i am sorry if that dissapoints you.

 

 

 

Maybe we should just become this huge freakin empire and control everybody so that every country will be like america- huh?

 

 

 

Yeah America isn't god and Sudan is an allie with the U.S on the war on terror so the timing would be terrible.

 

 

 

A better plan would be to use the African Union to try and stop genocide. Africa should be the one to solve problems in its countries not the U.S.

 

 

 

I said this before, give each person 30 packages of ramen noodles with chemical heating pouches, 5 gallons of water and an ak47 with 2 clips of 30 rounds each. give it a week, problem solved. AK's are given away like candy over there, and we have all seen what a group of pissed off Africans with guns can do in Somalia, so if we do this we get = hordes of pissed off, well fed, well armed africans looking for revenge. Just add a "peacekeeping force" of a few hundred millitary stratigests and the problem is solved!

 

 

 

...Yeah why don't we go to war with sudan while we're at it????????

 

 

 

Time for me to redo this thread....Starting new question:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WHAT SHOULD THE WORLD POWERS DO?

 

We'd be inclined to help if a few other [powerful] countries just got their act together and got off their [wagon]s every once in a while, instead of just sitting in their cozy little countries doing nothing.

 

 

 

As said, we're not the world police. Don't insult us one day, then expect us to do all the dirty work the next.

 

 

 

America as a country should for the time being return to a laissez faire type policy on all events excluding climate change. However as a humanitarian, they need to help. I don't buy this "Everyone else should help first" argument.

 

 

 

The real reason why no help is really being given (ie Military interferance) is because this region in Africa is deemed as a doomed area. The only way to prevent all the terrible things happening is to spend billions of dollars. Then what? Africans saturate the market with their skills and soon the world's proletariat becomes worthless and unemployment continues to be high. The only system economically that i could see working is a form of communism, as it's better than what they have now. America will never support communism, and so if left to America nothing will ever dramatically change in the region.

 

 

 

Lol the problem isnt economics. America is spending less than 10 million dollars giveing AID to ALL of africa. The problem is that the U.S lost its credibility every time it tried to solve other country's problems and their military is stretched thin. And in time Africa wil become more independent and powerful. India was once a country covered in poverty but it is geting a lot better now.

 

 

 

There is no greater tragdy on earth today, as the one that is unfolding in the Sudan."

 

 

 

Yeah. Whatever. You obviously aren't very educated about the earth today.

And you obviously dont care about human life.

 

 

 

I'm sick of reading all of these people disageing for the sake of it, or even disagreing with people helping save lives.

 

 

 

I dont care what you respond with, your wrong, genocide is worse than any other killing, ignoring genocide is absolutely unexcusable.

 

 

 

...No one here (I hope not see anyone anyway) disagrees that genocide is bad, the problem here is that no country can do anything about it.

 

 

 

Why would we send our troops do die in a war that has absolutely ZERO effect on us. I mean if both sides got 50,000 tons of bombs, exploded them at the same time and killed every last one of them guess what? CNN would say how sad it was, the president would give a speech, I'd wake up, think "wow that's sad", get a bowl of cereal and go to school. It's sad what's going on over there, no doubt about it, but why should we be the ones to stop it?

 

 

 

You make me sick, people are dieing and you want to sit and do nothing, America is the most powerful country in the world, we have the power to do something and we have the power to stop this killing, how would you feel if you had to live there, how would you feel if we weren't this lucky. Thats just being psychotic, "I don't care".

 

 

 

well, he may not be right but it still should be pointed out that america CANT do anything right now. the war in iraq has paralized the country so it cant declare war without haveing the president impeached. this is the United nations job, not just one countries.

 

 

 

Yes but except minimal aid it looks like th UN is gonna sit on there butts and do nothing, once we get out of Iraq I believe we must work with this area of the world.

 

 

 

It shouldn't be the UN's either. It should be the African Union's job.\ because Sudan is in Africa no north American or Europe.

 

 

 

hmmmmmm..... last i checked this was the United Nations JOB to prevent this, but, just like rawanda, they made a rule not to call it a GENOCIDE , because if it was a genocide the UN WOULD BE obligated(meaning "oh, lets go send 5000 peacekeepers to do a terrible job, then as soon as one gets killed, pull out.) so, even though its the uns job to take care of this, they have to find the easy way out.

 

 

 

ps, no matter how strong the president feels about this, theres no way that he would let this country get into another war with iraq and afganistan on his plate.

 

the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

 

yes, it is a genocide, and yes, the US is in the UN, not only the US needs to respond, but the whole world.

 

 

 

The U.S millitary is already stretched thin. If the U.S intervened it would be Iraq all over again. Think about every time the U.S intervenes in another country's afair and how it turned out for the U.S. I mean Vietnam was a huge success wasn't it? The korean war earned the U.S the name of awesome peace maker....and I suppose things are going well in Iraq too right (if you can't tell that was sarcasm you are either incredibly stupid or your history sucks or maybe both)?

 

 

 

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@death33: Can you not read? Quit double/triple posting. You can do it all in one. Also you don't need to quote the whole pyramid. One level, possibly two is quite enough.

 

 

 

Death33, if you would please put ALL your information in one post, that would be wonderful. One post will be enough to hold ALL your information. There is no need to seperate your posts for each new idea. You also don't need to quote every person. Just make a quote that is relevant to your response.

 

 

 

Thanks!

 

~Devoted12

 

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