Pest Control - Too easy or High-Level update?

[Jake_Corsair]

Now before you hit the reply button and assume exactly what this post is about, read first. It's a bit of a different look at Pest Control(PC). Not sure if this will be very debatable, talked with Swampjedi about it and he said post it and he'd keep an eye on it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This post is NOT about low levels in PC, when referring to players using it, it's to be taken for granted that it's meaning "high" combat leveled players.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Basically the question in this post is: Is Pest Control too easy of xp or is it the high level update players have been waiting for?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of the things that keeps popping up whenever someone says PC, is that it's too easy to raise combat skills now. I'm not going to argue this point, but I don't believe it makes it much easier, maybe just a little. As an example a friend of mine just got 99 attack there. After close to a month of playing PC. When he started (around 85ish attack), we were looking at the tip.it fighting calc, he would need around 20k fire giants for 99 att. Now as much as he's played in the last month, I don't see why he couldn't have done almost 1k fire giants a day, which would have gotten him to 99 in about the same time (maybe a little longer). I think it just seems easier, since you get a huge chunk of xp at one time. Granted there is the "safe" aspect of PC, but if you're paying attention training regularly is also "safe"

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On the other hand, for high leveled players, there is now something that is worthwhile to actually play. Most of the complaints I see when Jagex releases a quest/minigame/etc. is the the reward is basically worthless to high leveled players. Which is a bit true, how much of an impact will a reard of 2k mining xp from a quest be for someone with 65+ mining already? Lower leveled players receive "more" of a benefit from those rewards (a level 3 skiller can do Knight's Sword quest and jump up to about 25 smithing, basically never having to smith a bwonze item at all). But now, there is a minigame, that high levels can use to efficiently train their combat skills a bit more.

[Solidus_77]

It's used as an efficient method for high lvls in combat. It may be considered "too easy" because people are good at but. For now anyways, it seems that it is helping the higher lvls in the game therefore it would qualify as a higher lvl update, now was it originally created that way or did it sort of happen is a different question. I would say that it sort of happened because the requirements are rather low and lower lvls have to look at statistics before they can realize that it's not a good deal for them.

[unknowable]

It's good for the high and hard levels. I mean you can be 40 combat in 8 hours of playing :shock:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This means PC is a good update, but too much classed on the low levels...

[Gin_and_Tonic]

I only used pest control for Ranger, as its painfully slow to level with juse a bow and arrow, and many of the monsters are easy to kill with range.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, i do think it provokes the use of pures, as people just trunce about in Pest control, go from 80-99 strength in a week, and then neglect pray and defence, as strength is now so easy to level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In all, i'd have to say i personally dont like pest control.

 

 

 

It makes 13 year olds level 112 in about 3 weeks.

[unknowable]

It's useful for high levels, really useful, so you can say it's a good update.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But what do we classify as "high level player" 50+, 75+, 100+, 120+? There lies the question. It really depends on that ;)

[Stewie_Griffen]

It's only easy if you have a good team, which is rare. If you don't have a clan to Pest Control with, then you'll find yourself soloing a portal while a level 45 dies to a level 37 Shifter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For High Levels, it's a very useful update. When people say that Pest Control makes training too easy, it makes me wonder if people said that when Experiments came out, or Dragon Bones, or when Lesser Demons dropped the first Rune Medium Helm and effectively killed Adament Armor.

[Alg]

well, pest control might be able to pass as a high level update, they wouldn't go through the trouble of making 90-100+ worlds and yelling at lower levels if it wasn't...

 

 

 

it is fast exp, and it involves heavy combat (all that certain high levels seem to care about)

 

 

 

it's not bad to play with low levels, just people who are going along with the game doing nothing

[Itsjustagame]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of the things that keeps popping up whenever someone says PC, is that it's too easy to raise combat skills now. I'm not going to argue this point, but I don't believe it makes it much easier, maybe just a little. As an example a friend of mine just got 99 attack there. After close to a month of playing PC. When he started (around 85ish attack), we were looking at the tip.it fighting calc, he would need around 20k fire giants for 99 att. Now as much as he's played in the last month, I don't see why he couldn't have done almost 1k fire giants a day, which would have gotten him to 99 in about the same time (maybe a little longer). I think it just seems easier, since you get a huge chunk of xp at one time. Granted there is the "safe" aspect of PC, but if you're paying attention training regularly is also "safe"

 

 

 

 

 

 

you dont need food to train at pc.

 

 

 

why waste food/needing to bank reguraly at fire giants when you can do it for free at pc

[Jake_Corsair]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of the things that keeps popping up whenever someone says PC, is that it's too easy to raise combat skills now. I'm not going to argue this point, but I don't believe it makes it much easier, maybe just a little. As an example a friend of mine just got 99 attack there. After close to a month of playing PC. When he started (around 85ish attack), we were looking at the tip.it fighting calc, he would need around 20k fire giants for 99 att. Now as much as he's played in the last month, I don't see why he couldn't have done almost 1k fire giants a day, which would have gotten him to 99 in about the same time (maybe a little longer). I think it just seems easier, since you get a huge chunk of xp at one time. Granted there is the "safe" aspect of PC, but if you're paying attention training regularly is also "safe"

 

 

 

 

 

 

you dont need food to train at pc.

 

 

 

why waste food/needing to bank reguraly at fire giants when you can do it for free at pc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No different than having to log out and go to a new world, log back in, when you have to switch to better world. Besides, with Guthans, food isn't a direct neccessity either. As for banking, take nats and lava staff, high alch anything good and don't worry about anything else. You never have to leave (except for randoms that might take you away).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just as "easy" as PC in my opinion, plus as Stewie pointed out, I don't have to depend on a team of others to efficiently train. The only thing slowing me down training on fire giants, would be me. I agree that PC is more efficient than regular training (a bit, as I said, a friend took nearly 4 weeks from 85 to 99 attack, even being part of a PC clan).

[Viv]

i don't really think that it is too easy people look at the points and it is not that easy to get those points needed for 99. people do not get 112 in 3 weeks. 90 90 90 or 80-99 str in a week unless they play alot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

in the rouges den people were talking bout pest control and how this pure got 70-99 str in 2 weeks but he played 8hrs on schoolnites and 16 on weekends. he prob could have done that using regular training as well. infact with regular training you get hitpoints expirience and don't have to worry about that level anymore.

[Itsjustagame]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

One of the things that keeps popping up whenever someone says PC, is that it's too easy to raise combat skills now. I'm not going to argue this point, but I don't believe it makes it much easier, maybe just a little. As an example a friend of mine just got 99 attack there. After close to a month of playing PC. When he started (around 85ish attack), we were looking at the tip.it fighting calc, he would need around 20k fire giants for 99 att. Now as much as he's played in the last month, I don't see why he couldn't have done almost 1k fire giants a day, which would have gotten him to 99 in about the same time (maybe a little longer). I think it just seems easier, since you get a huge chunk of xp at one time. Granted there is the "safe" aspect of PC, but if you're paying attention training regularly is also "safe"

 

 

 

 

 

 

you dont need food to train at pc.

 

 

 

why waste food/needing to bank reguraly at fire giants when you can do it for free at pc

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No different than having to log out and go to a new world, log back in, when you have to switch to better world. Besides, with Guthans, food isn't a direct neccessity either. As for banking, take nats and lava staff, high alch anything good and don't worry about anything else. You never have to leave (except for randoms that might take you away).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just as "easy" as PC in my opinion, plus as Stewie pointed out, I don't have to depend on a team of others to efficiently train. The only thing slowing me down training on fire giants, would be me. I agree that PC is more efficient than regular training (a bit, as I said, a friend took nearly 4 weeks from 85 to 99 attack, even being part of a PC clan).

 

 

 

using Guthans costs money.

 

 

 

why pay to train a skill that doesn't get you any money directly?

[Jake_Corsair]

How doesn't combat get you money directly? The drops alone from fire giants would pay for guthans repairs (if you did 20k of them), more than likely. And even if it didn't, making money in this game isn't exactly hard to do.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And as Botanreaper pointed out, using the points at pest control will gain you points in any one skill, but it doesn't gain you the HP xp you'd get from regular training.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When I was thinking of going to 99 in att, str, or def (at that time I was same level in all of them: 84) it was going to be 22k fire giants for any one of them to 99. If I had done that for all three of them I would have killed 66k fire giants total. Which was also about the amount I needed for 99 HP. Doing it at PC, I'd maybe get to them quicker (and cheaper), but I'd still have HP to raise. So that's actually even more training than you would do with PC, than regular training.

[lordkrohn1626]

good point jake

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

When i was pcing for 4 mage levs, 5 prayer levs and 5 range levs (all of which are a pain to raise, and expensive) I did spend some wasted time world hopping until i caught up with some other hi lev hard core pcers, then it was a rush of points. Easily spent a wasted hour or so collectively hopping around, then a good 1-1.5 hour making mad points until I had my nightly 100....but better for me on raising range and prayer, both of which I hate to raise, especially range, which I never use.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

off topic: fires are okay, but I used trolls at death plateau, 70k exp per hour on trolls with str pot and whip. I was maxed on melee and hP prior to PC being released by doing trolls and slayer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now a great spot for fires is down the dusty well, in the middle room is 4 fires, and rarely anyone around. unlike using the dungeon on khramja.

[ragnar123123]

What's so great about PC? I mean I've been gone since June, but there are plenty of ways to get similar xp and a bunch of items, such as Trolls or Fire Giants. Runescape is going downhill, the payment options are slow, I think Jagex is doing a horrible job with updates.

[Alg]

What's so great about PC? I mean I've been gone since June, but there are plenty of ways to get similar xp and a bunch of items, such as Trolls or Fire Giants. Runescape is going downhill, the payment options are slow, I think Jagex is doing a horrible job with updates.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

for the part about pest control, it would be fairly difficult to get more than 60k exp per hour (very rough estimate) that can be obtained from a good pc world, although you lose out on drops and bones

 

 

 

as for the updates, they are trying to please everyone...and succeeding at making everyone angry

[123Yourgone]

 

What's so great about PC? I mean I've been gone since June, but there are plenty of ways to get similar xp and a bunch of items, such as Trolls or Fire Giants. Runescape is going downhill, the payment options are slow, I think Jagex is doing a horrible job with updates.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

for the part about pest control, it would be fairly difficult to get more than 60k exp per hour (very rough estimate) that can be obtained from a good pc world, although you lose out on drops and bones

 

 

 

as for the updates, they are trying to please everyone...and succeeding at making everyone angry

Higher lvls on good worlds get 90-150k xp an hour.

 

 

 

I watched my real life friend brendan get 99 str 99 def and 99 att on pc in 3 weeks.

 

 

 

Pest control is much faster then any other methods.

 

 

 

100 points and hour with the right team at 90+ in a stat is 130k an hour + whatever xp you get there, show me anywhere you can get that kind of xp.

 

 

 

The only way to train a combat stat faster then pc is with range with chin chompas on ape atoll which is 280k an hour xp, or prayer with guilded alter.

[UptheToon]

To be able to really train effectily with pc you basically need to have a fairly high level. I since becoming a member last month have used pc to gain 5 attack lvls 81-86 in that month using a pc clan. Still sometimes i struggle to get the zeal. I can only imagine a lvl 56 leeching off a clan would go.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's not like the lower lvls are getting this 130k xp a hour

[WookieeMania12]

it may take a bit more time to train mage/range with pc but the reason is because you don't waste money on runes or arrows.

[MtNeraka]

It's good for the high and hard levels. I mean you can be 40 combat in 8 hours of playing :shock:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This means PC is a good update, but too much classed on the low levels...

were talking about high lvl players. Were not comparing 3-40 etc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think it is somewhat too easy. But then again, no one complains about how easy it is to get 99 fletching, etc... >_>

[Maddra]

I will be honest - I dont like that mini game.. I have not played it since the first month it came out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Too many experienced players were berating people that never played the game; calling them idiots and noobs. The game was over in less than 30 seconds.. and it was wait wait wait.. and listen to the experienced players rag on the unexperienced ones.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would love to have easy exp so I can level. But the name calling and domineering attitude of some ruin it for me. Someone told me recently to retry it.. I am still debating.. I want to play to have fun. Not to be screamed at.

[Nedich]

Pretty much agreed with Maddra. The mini game mainly consists of waiting around and cursing your fellow team-mates. It's boring as well, like somone mentioned earlier you spend alot of time hopping worlds and then praying that the world doesn't get messed up by a bunch of questioning level 40-50's.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think Jagex intended it to be such fast experience it's just that recently they seem to be building up the 'multiplayer' part of MMORPG, castle wars, barbarian assault etc. I think i'll just stick to my ice giants in level 48 wilderness, safe in the knowledge that i'm not going to get jabbered at by some idiot for leaving the gate open.

[Aquashock]

 

 

 

Basically the question in this post is: Is Pest Control too easy of xp or is it the high level update players have been waiting for?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My opinion is that it is the update higher leveled players have been waiting for. Why?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At around lvl 90, you get around 160k xp per 100 points, you figure that alone is worth 80k xp an hour

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Assuming you get your zeal (50) and continue to kill things, you tend to get 110 zeal (on a HU world)

 

 

 

110*100 is 11k xp

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now then, ill make that 10k for the reason that it varies.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thats 85k xp an hour (i personally get 200+ zeal a round, so i would top out at 90K+ an hour)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The closest to this ive come is 82k xp an hour at Damis Dungeon lvl 80 skeletons, with the salve ammy (e) which gives +20% att and str.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is on a Heart Unit world, before this on a Heart Returns world (a disbanded PC clan) it was not uncommon to get 60 points an hour rather than almost 50.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ive read through the thread, and people say "its boring" and I will agree, repetitiveness is boring, PC is repetitive, therefore boring.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What I don't see is how going from 96 att and str to 99 at DD (damis dungeon) skeletons will be any less boring.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now this is entirely based on speed of melee at already a high combat (90+ att and str) lower people could come up with a different argument and find a way for faster melee xp to replace my DD skeletons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Personally, I cant PC for 10 points without having music. It bores me to death, but its funner than standing at bandits or DD skeletons

[curmudgeony]

To be able to really train effectily with pc you basically need to have a fairly high level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...and a clan. Tricky part is getting a clan that will accept you during those rookie lower levels.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To train to level 90 effectily I need, a clan. To get into an effective clan I need to be level 90. Herein lies the rub, as it were.

[hatebringer]

well, pc is easy, and hard at the same time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, you get tons of xp, and is the absolute best way to lv combat skills, but finding a good world with people that allow you to get that experience is sometimes difficult. Now, i agree, me being 90 cb, it is sometimes difficult to get 50 damage in worlds with 110+, but i always manage to pull it off.

 

 

 

In this view, I really think PC has become a more high lv orientated game, but it is still ok, it is basically on a fine line

[Aquashock]

 

To be able to really train effectily with pc you basically need to have a fairly high level.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...and a clan. Tricky part is getting a clan that will accept you during those rookie lower levels.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To train to level 90 effectily I need, a clan. To get into an effective clan I need to be level 90. Herein lies the rub, as it were.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honestly, i never used pc to train untill it came out when i was 104 combat.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Training to 90 would only hinder your hp, because your not at the level where you can optimise the PC xp