Noahs Ark

[anonimu]

O:) Ill add my views to this topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Noah's arc is a true. Other people at that time did not have boats or knew anything about boats, it hardly rained back then, the population of the world was in its thousands. God miraculously gave Noah the plans for the boat and Noah spent decades making it, now the arc contained young and baby animals, some Christians think dinosaurs were left out of the arc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why did God flood the earth? Well because of the people on it, they all rebelled against God, Noah gave the people a chance to come into the arc with him but instead they all mocked him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The flooding of the earth is a strong evidence of the fossil fuels and fossils we have today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did the water go? Well if you read the bible it says 'The Heavens opened, underground etc.' so some of the water might have been added miraculously and some water came from underground.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did the water go? LOOK at all the ice in the North Pole, underground rives etc. Oceans!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah yes, the mountains back then were not as high as now because the major mountains formed after the flood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well thatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s my penny, if you have any questions ill try and answer I think i answered the main ones you guys have from a believers points of view.

 

 

 

Hmm... I never knew that Noah was a geometrician that theorized that a certain arc is "a true..." I didn't even know that an arc could be "a true."

[Parabola]

What do you think the radius of his arc was? Or perhaps he meant Noah's arc welding apparatus.

[warri0r45]

O:) Ill add my views to this topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Noah's arc is a true. Other people at that time did not have boats or knew anything about boats, it hardly rained back then, the population of the world was in its thousands. God miraculously gave Noah the plans for the boat and Noah spent decades making it, now the arc contained young and baby animals, some Christians think dinosaurs were left out of the arc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why did God flood the earth? Well because of the people on it, they all rebelled against God, Noah gave the people a chance to come into the arc with him but instead they all mocked him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The flooding of the earth is a strong evidence of the fossil fuels and fossils we have today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did the water go? Well if you read the bible it says 'The Heavens opened, underground etc.' so some of the water might have been added miraculously and some water came from underground.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did the water go? LOOK at all the ice in the North Pole, underground rives etc. Oceans!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah yes, the mountains back then were not as high as now because the major mountains formed after the flood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well thatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s my penny, if you have any questions ill try and answer I think i answered the main ones you guys have from a believers points of view.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well thanks for not assuming it is actually naturally possible, at least.

[Adam007]

 

O:) Ill add my views to this topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Noah's arc is a true. Other people at that time did not have boats or knew anything about boats, it hardly rained back then, the population of the world was in its thousands. God miraculously gave Noah the plans for the boat and Noah spent decades making it, now the arc contained young and baby animals, some Christians think dinosaurs were left out of the arc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why did God flood the earth? Well because of the people on it, they all rebelled against God, Noah gave the people a chance to come into the arc with him but instead they all mocked him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The flooding of the earth is a strong evidence of the fossil fuels and fossils we have today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did the water go? Well if you read the bible it says 'The Heavens opened, underground etc.' so some of the water might have been added miraculously and some water came from underground.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did the water go? LOOK at all the ice in the North Pole, underground rives etc. Oceans!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah yes, the mountains back then were not as high as now because the major mountains formed after the flood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well thatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s my penny, if you have any questions ill try and answer I think i answered the main ones you guys have from a believers points of view.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well thanks for not assuming it is actually naturally possible, at least.

 

 

 

But anything is theoretically possible if you add the word 'miraculously' before it!

[warri0r45]

 

 

O:) Ill add my views to this topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Noah's arc is a true. Other people at that time did not have boats or knew anything about boats, it hardly rained back then, the population of the world was in its thousands. God miraculously gave Noah the plans for the boat and Noah spent decades making it, now the arc contained young and baby animals, some Christians think dinosaurs were left out of the arc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why did God flood the earth? Well because of the people on it, they all rebelled against God, Noah gave the people a chance to come into the arc with him but instead they all mocked him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The flooding of the earth is a strong evidence of the fossil fuels and fossils we have today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did the water go? Well if you read the bible it says 'The Heavens opened, underground etc.' so some of the water might have been added miraculously and some water came from underground.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did the water go? LOOK at all the ice in the North Pole, underground rives etc. Oceans!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah yes, the mountains back then were not as high as now because the major mountains formed after the flood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well thatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s my penny, if you have any questions ill try and answer I think i answered the main ones you guys have from a believers points of view.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well thanks for not assuming it is actually naturally possible, at least.

 

 

 

But anything is theoretically possible if you add the word 'miraculously' before it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah. Thier incredibly educated and witty response to people saying it's not possible.

[HiLetsFight]

Verrrry Complicated because NObody really knows anymore. :-s

[Tigra00]

 

 

and you limit God to work under theories created by man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ahh yes, the old theological trump card.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The old theological trump card that only makes any sense if you are already a theist. Making it as redundant as the 'if you don't believe in god, you're going to hell' attempt at conversion.

 

 

 

We're discussing the Ark and how God supposedly flooded the earth. How is the question of God's omnipotence senseless and redundant?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Because it's all just BS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is amazing that you guys see nothing wrong with the argument "Well...It's God. He can do anything." while arguing against scientific evidence to the contrary. It's the equivalent of dropping to the ground and kicking your feet screaming "Noooo! I'm riiiight!" as if you were a toddler. It isn't even an argument, it's just stupidity. By your logic, God could also turn me into a hippo. He could turn me into a bowl of cereal. He could flood the Earth in an impossible manner and then make it all just disappear.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's just a dumb argument. Of course if there was a God he could do these things, but there ISN'T a God and he CAN'T do these things because the Bible is obviously NOT the word of God. If the Bible is full of contradictions, impossibilities and just plain ole' lies, how can that be the word of an INFALLIBLE God? It can't. God also likes to create things and then destroy them because they were mistakes. Infallible beings don't make mistakes, and you can't blame it on Satan and toot your "I'm better than you, I win!" horn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

None of it is real. People don't even believe in God because they know he's real, they believe because the don't want to burn eternally. People are cowards. Ever see people in church? Noone is happy to be there. They hate it. They would rather be watching TV and doing somethig productive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To prove God does not exist, I urge you all to pray for me to drop dead on the sidewalk rather than praying that God save my helpless little soul. I guarentee you I will not be dropping dead anytime soon. God doesn't exist.

[Rebdragon]

^Seeing as how Tigra is [or appears to be] and atheist, from the theist side I'll agree with 'im. It's just a pointless argument that gets us nowhere.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and I agree with him that believing out of fear is pointless; it's not believing at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and Tigra, no matter what you say you can't disprove God. Maybe a human idea of God can be proved illogical by human perpective, but you can't disprove the idea that something is out there. Just hoping you know that :-w .

[Korskin]

 

 

 

and you limit God to work under theories created by man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ahh yes, the old theological trump card.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The old theological trump card that only makes any sense if you are already a theist. Making it as redundant as the 'if you don't believe in god, you're going to hell' attempt at conversion.

 

 

 

We're discussing the Ark and how God supposedly flooded the earth. How is the question of God's omnipotence senseless and redundant?

 

 

 

None of it is real. People don't even believe in God because they know he's real, they believe because the don't want to burn eternally. People are cowards.Ever see people in church? Noone is happy to be there. They hate it. They would rather be watching TV and doing somethig productive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To prove God does not exist, I urge you all to pray for me to drop dead on the sidewalk rather than praying that God save my helpless little soul. I guarentee you I will not be dropping dead anytime soon. God doesn't exist.

 

 

 

First, my exact thoughts two sundays ago during a church service: "I wouldn't rather be anywhere than here". That is not the case on every church survice, but to say that noone is happy is truly this BS you speak of. I don't mind if you think I'm deluded but you're statement is not correct. I think a life where you put Jesus first is the best of lives.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Second, you not dropping dead does not prove God doesn't exist. God is good he wouldn't answer to drop dead-like prayers. I wouldn't be doing God's will if I prayed for you to drop dead. Not that I consider you an enemy or anything but if I did Jesus still teaches: ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅYou have heard the law that says, ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¹ÃâLove your neighbor' and hate your enemy. But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you! In that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven."

[warri0r45]

^Seeing as how Tigra is [or appears to be] and atheist, from the theist side I'll agree with 'im. It's just a pointless argument that gets us nowhere.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and I agree with him that believing out of fear is pointless; it's not believing at all.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and Tigra, no matter what you say you can't disprove God. Maybe a human idea of God can be proved illogical by human perpective, but you can't disprove the idea that something is out there. Just hoping you know that :-w .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd definately agree with tigra on the fact that diluting an argument down to 'god can do anything' is pointless. If you espose such a view, there's no point in arguing about it. Poinless. Bleeping. Empty. Rhetoric.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:wall:

[Rebdragon]

^ (to Korskin, warri0r got in the way o_o) Define "putting Jesus first", from your own opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, Tigra's example doesn't disprove the Christian God, but it does disprove that God just answer peoples prayes like that *snaps fingers*.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Korskin, I more or less agree with what you're saying, but when you talk with someone who isn't Christian or is just an atheist (not that I'm saying that I agree with Christian perspective), it's good not to talk to them in that fashion- atheists and non-Christians alike, including me, have a hard time not trying to tune you out when you start talking in "Christian talk" and "WWJD" stuff. Just talk like you would normally, not like your reading out of a Bible or making a sermon. Trust me, other people will listen to what you have to say more attentively.

[TheLastTemplar]

I'm just a bit curious on 1 thing.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Everyone is trying to find Noahs Ark. Yet, why do they believe it was 100% preserved 4 to 6 thousand years down the road later?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Honestly, if you think about it.. I think some termites got ahold of it. Seeing it was made purely out of wood and some tar, I'm sure it is long gone by now.. yet people are still looking for it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe the story and all, but the boat itself, is most likely gone.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

~Defender~

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, this brings up an interesting point.

 

 

 

Most scholars believe it is on top of mnt. Arrat. The prbolem with this is that there is not just one mountain called arrat..it is a whole mountain chain. There have been stories of people actually seeing a boat shaped object up there. Whether it is the ark or not is up for debate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It is very cold up in those mountains and it is likely that the cold whether has delayed the decomposing time of the ancient ship. You ,of course, have heard of many cases where they find mummified people, almost perfectly perserved in ice...well..this can/will also apply to the ark.

[Tigra00]

I don't think that it's impossible to disprove the Christian God. I think if you look at the Bible you'll see it obviously isn't the word of a God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You can never disprove the thought of *A* God, because there's always a chance that there is one up there that just started everything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

However, you can clearly read the Bible and see that it's just false. Same goes with crap like the Qu'ran and la-de-freakin'-da. It's all a story of some being you must fear or be punished, and obey and be rewarded...Tell me, why would ANY being create just to torture? It's just ridiculous. I believe if there is *A* God, it isn't any of them written about, and it's a God that just created us because he, well...Had nothin' better to do. It's a God...He created this all just 'cause. To see what would happen. To watch. I dunno'.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But the Christian God, the Muslim God, the Hindu Goddess, the Pagan God's, the Roman/Greek God's....None of that exist. Fairy tales. Nothin' but fairy tales.

[Korskin]

^ (to Korskin, warri0r got in the way o_o) Define "putting Jesus first", from your own opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, Tigra's example doesn't disprove the Christian God, but it does disprove that God just answer peoples prayes like that *snaps fingers*.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Putting Jesus first: Live for Jesus not yourself. Do his will not yours. I'm not saying I'm succeeding. I'm failing miserably, though I still believe I shouldn't give up as Jesus doesn't give up on me. Make his death worthwhile.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't help quoting the Bible as it's the source of my views. I'd rather you listen to the Bible than my words, but of course I understand what you're saying, I'm not too thrilled about the may change so called scientific facts and evidence all the time either.

[warri0r45]

 

^ (to Korskin, warri0r got in the way o_o) Define "putting Jesus first", from your own opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, Tigra's example doesn't disprove the Christian God, but it does disprove that God just answer peoples prayes like that *snaps fingers*.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Putting Jesus first: Live for Jesus not yourself. Do his will not yours. I'm not saying I'm succeeding. I'm failing miserably, though I still believe I shouldn't give up as Jesus doesn't give up on me. Make his death worthwhile.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't help quoting the Bible as it's the source of my views. I'd rather you listen to the Bible than my words, but of course I understand what you're saying, I'm not too thrilled about the may change so called scientific facts and evidence all the time either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is that supposed to mean?

[warren211]

Yall may not think its scientifically possible for Noah's ark to occur, but really, remember God CREATED science. I think its safe to assume he's not exactly bound by his own laws.

[Korskin]

 

 

^ (to Korskin, warri0r got in the way o_o) Define "putting Jesus first", from your own opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, Tigra's example doesn't disprove the Christian God, but it does disprove that God just answer peoples prayes like that *snaps fingers*.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Putting Jesus first: Live for Jesus not yourself. Do his will not yours. I'm not saying I'm succeeding. I'm failing miserably, though I still believe I shouldn't give up as Jesus doesn't give up on me. Make his death worthwhile.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't help quoting the Bible as it's the source of my views. I'd rather you listen to the Bible than my words, but of course I understand what you're saying, I'm not too thrilled about the may change so called scientific facts and evidence all the time either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is that supposed to mean?

 

 

 

Let's just say I prefer absolute truths.

[Tigra00]

Yall may not think its scientifically possible for Noah's ark to occur, but really, remember God CREATED science. I think its safe to assume he's not exactly bound by his own laws.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are Congressmen not bound by the laws they make?

[Tigra00]

 

 

 

^ (to Korskin, warri0r got in the way o_o) Define "putting Jesus first", from your own opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, Tigra's example doesn't disprove the Christian God, but it does disprove that God just answer peoples prayes like that *snaps fingers*.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Putting Jesus first: Live for Jesus not yourself. Do his will not yours. I'm not saying I'm succeeding. I'm failing miserably, though I still believe I shouldn't give up as Jesus doesn't give up on me. Make his death worthwhile.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't help quoting the Bible as it's the source of my views. I'd rather you listen to the Bible than my words, but of course I understand what you're saying, I'm not too thrilled about the may change so called scientific facts and evidence all the time either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is that supposed to mean?

 

 

 

Let's just say I prefer absolute truths.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With full implication that the Bible is said absolute truth? I see no proof in that.

[warri0r45]

 

 

 

^ (to Korskin, warri0r got in the way o_o) Define "putting Jesus first", from your own opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, Tigra's example doesn't disprove the Christian God, but it does disprove that God just answer peoples prayes like that *snaps fingers*.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Putting Jesus first: Live for Jesus not yourself. Do his will not yours. I'm not saying I'm succeeding. I'm failing miserably, though I still believe I shouldn't give up as Jesus doesn't give up on me. Make his death worthwhile.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't help quoting the Bible as it's the source of my views. I'd rather you listen to the Bible than my words, but of course I understand what you're saying, I'm not too thrilled about the may change so called scientific facts and evidence all the time either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is that supposed to mean?

 

 

 

Let's just say I prefer absolute truths.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing is, korskin, you think the bible is the truth. You need faith to believe it. Science changes and is accountable for mistakes. The thing about science is that it tries to search for the absolute truth, which is unchanging, and has and will continue to make progress towards that goal. The bible is different. The absolute truth is there in front of you, supposedly, and all you need to do is believe in a mythical story which defies all god given enquiry and logic.

[lordkrohn1626]

 

^ (to Korskin, warri0r got in the way o_o) Define "putting Jesus first", from your own opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, Tigra's example doesn't disprove the Christian God, but it does disprove that God just answer peoples prayes like that *snaps fingers*.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Putting Jesus first: Live for Jesus not yourself. Do his will not yours. I'm not saying I'm succeeding. I'm failing miserably, though I still believe I shouldn't give up as Jesus doesn't give up on me. Make his death worthwhile.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't help quoting the Bible as it's the source of my views. I'd rather you listen to the Bible than my words, but of course I understand what you're saying, I'm not too thrilled about the may change so called scientific facts and evidence all the time either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The source of your views is a fable...written by the Nicene Council in 321-325 AD, and the gullible religious fans wave aside all of the problems with the fable and quote it as something to live by. I do agree with the message it tries to send...live peacefully, treat others as you would like to be treated...blah blah blah but to think it was some devine inspired book and that all within it is factual is laughable at best. *pats on head* but whatever makes you sleep well at night.

[Rebdragon]

Let's just say I prefer absolute truths.

 

 

 

It's technically impossible for you to "prefer absolute truths" because you don't know what is and isn't an absolute truth.

[Korskin]

 

 

 

 

^ (to Korskin, warri0r got in the way o_o) Define "putting Jesus first", from your own opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, Tigra's example doesn't disprove the Christian God, but it does disprove that God just answer peoples prayes like that *snaps fingers*.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Putting Jesus first: Live for Jesus not yourself. Do his will not yours. I'm not saying I'm succeeding. I'm failing miserably, though I still believe I shouldn't give up as Jesus doesn't give up on me. Make his death worthwhile.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't help quoting the Bible as it's the source of my views. I'd rather you listen to the Bible than my words, but of course I understand what you're saying, I'm not too thrilled about the may change so called scientific facts and evidence all the time either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is that supposed to mean?

 

 

 

Let's just say I prefer absolute truths.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing is, korskin, you think the bible is the truth. You need faith to believe it. Science changes and is accountable for mistakes. The thing about science is that it tries to search for the absolute truth, which is unchanging, and has and will continue to make progress towards that goal. The bible is different. The absolute truth is there in front of you, supposedly, and all you need to do is believe in a mythical story which defies all god given enquiry and logic.

 

 

 

That goal seems unachievable according to wikipedia: "Science does not and can not produce absolute and unquestionable truth." More importantly science doesn't answer metaphysical questions that too me are more important.

[warri0r45]

 

 

 

 

 

^ (to Korskin, warri0r got in the way o_o) Define "putting Jesus first", from your own opinion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And yes, Tigra's example doesn't disprove the Christian God, but it does disprove that God just answer peoples prayes like that *snaps fingers*.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Putting Jesus first: Live for Jesus not yourself. Do his will not yours. I'm not saying I'm succeeding. I'm failing miserably, though I still believe I shouldn't give up as Jesus doesn't give up on me. Make his death worthwhile.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't help quoting the Bible as it's the source of my views. I'd rather you listen to the Bible than my words, but of course I understand what you're saying, I'm not too thrilled about the may change so called scientific facts and evidence all the time either.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is that supposed to mean?

 

 

 

Let's just say I prefer absolute truths.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The thing is, korskin, you think the bible is the truth. You need faith to believe it. Science changes and is accountable for mistakes. The thing about science is that it tries to search for the absolute truth, which is unchanging, and has and will continue to make progress towards that goal. The bible is different. The absolute truth is there in front of you, supposedly, and all you need to do is believe in a mythical story which defies all god given enquiry and logic.

 

 

 

That goal seems unachievable according to wikipedia: "Science does not and can not produce absolute and unquestionable truth." More importantly science doesn't answer metaphysical questions that too me are more important.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You missed the point. Science does not attempt to construct or formulate absolute truths, they are already there (if you subscribe to the idea). Science merely explains nature with enquiry and logic to try and coincide with or reveal the absolute truths already at work in the universe.

[Rebdragon]

Science can produce absolute truths. Prove, know. Produce, yes.