Noahs Ark

[Tigra00]

 

This water IS NOT in the Earth. How do I know that? Because it just isn't possible. The Earth doesn't have enough volume to hold it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I'm convinced :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look it up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you were to pump that much water into the earth, the earth would be Quick-Sand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have fun. Lets see you build your way out of that one.

[warri0r45]

 

 

Defender, you poor deluded fool.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To take a different view, even if the Noah's ark story was true (it isn't), the story is fundamentally about your God practicing ethnic cleansing. Discuss.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God made a mistake. So he fixed it. Everyone was slaughtered because of the way they were made. Here's an interesting question, did the people who died in the flood (i.e. humanity) end up in hell? I sure hope not, because they died by gods hands and didn't have a chance to repent. If we truly have free will, I'd bet at least a few would have and thus were wrongly accused to eternity imprisonment when they should be free.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

#-o

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I'm still waiting for proof that there isn't a purple monkey in the middle of the sun, defender.

God's biggest mistake... making humans.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yep :P

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd say god made us to be questioning and critical (if I were a theist) which gets me pretty annoyed when some people blindly accept faith and disregard science as the 'tool of the devil' or whatever.

[Tigra00]

 

Defender, you poor deluded fool.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

To take a different view, even if the Noah's ark story was true (it isn't), the story is fundamentally about your God practicing ethnic cleansing. Discuss.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God made a mistake. So he fixed it. Everyone was slaughtered because of the way they were made. Here's an interesting question, did the people who died in the flood (i.e. humanity) end up in hell? I sure hope not, because they died by gods hands and didn't have a chance to repent. If we truly have free will, I'd bet at least a few would have and thus were wrongly accused to eternity imprisonment when they should be free.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

#-o

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I'm still waiting for proof that there isn't a purple monkey in the middle of the sun, defender.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, God is "omniscent", thus, cannot make a mistake.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...Or at least thats what they say...Too bad for God that everything he's done so far hasn't worked at all...Sooo...Satan won afterall(?) and God's way of bringing home the trophy is to throw a proverbial hissy-fit and ruin the creation?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nice.

[Not]

 

 

This water IS NOT in the Earth. How do I know that? Because it just isn't possible. The Earth doesn't have enough volume to hold it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I'm convinced :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look it up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you were to pump that much water into the earth, the earth would be Quick-Sand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have fun. Lets see you build your way out of that one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yup you are right, I just looked it up. Apparently the water has nowhere to go and the entire earth turns into sand and the volume of the water is enough to completely turn the sand into "quick sand".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Amazing what you learn on the internet :-k

[Tigra00]

 

 

 

This water IS NOT in the Earth. How do I know that? Because it just isn't possible. The Earth doesn't have enough volume to hold it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I'm convinced :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look it up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you were to pump that much water into the earth, the earth would be Quick-Sand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have fun. Lets see you build your way out of that one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yup you are right, I just looked it up. Apparently the water has nowhere to go and the entire earth turns into sand and the volume of the water is enough to completely turn the sand into "quick sand".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Amazing what you learn on the internet :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, I'll play 'smart-[wagon]' with you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a simple math problem. You take the volume of the entire inside of the Earth, and then the total amount of water you would need to flood the entire Earth to the height of the highest mountain. If the amoun of water = more than the Earth's volume could hold, then it obviously isn't possible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What do you guys think is in the Earth? There is dirt, rocks, metal, gems, oil...Stuff like that, and like, 1/4 of it is a giant molten rock core.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There. Just. Isn't. Enough. Room. For. All. That. Water.

[Not]

 

 

 

 

This water IS NOT in the Earth. How do I know that? Because it just isn't possible. The Earth doesn't have enough volume to hold it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I'm convinced :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look it up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you were to pump that much water into the earth, the earth would be Quick-Sand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have fun. Lets see you build your way out of that one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yup you are right, I just looked it up. Apparently the water has nowhere to go and the entire earth turns into sand and the volume of the water is enough to completely turn the sand into "quick sand".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Amazing what you learn on the internet :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, I'll play 'smart-[wagon]' with you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a simple math problem. You take the volume of the entire inside of the Earth, and then the total amount of water you would need to flood the entire Earth to the height of the highest mountain. If the amoun of water = more than the Earth's volume could hold, then it obviously isn't possible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What do you guys think is in the Earth? There is dirt, rocks, metal, gems, oil...Stuff like that, and like, 1/4 of it is a giant molten rock core.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There. Just. Isn't. Enough. Room. For. All. That. Water.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So the water couldn't form hydrated crystals under all the heat and pressure?

[Tigra00]

 

 

 

 

 

This water IS NOT in the Earth. How do I know that? Because it just isn't possible. The Earth doesn't have enough volume to hold it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I'm convinced :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look it up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you were to pump that much water into the earth, the earth would be Quick-Sand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have fun. Lets see you build your way out of that one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yup you are right, I just looked it up. Apparently the water has nowhere to go and the entire earth turns into sand and the volume of the water is enough to completely turn the sand into "quick sand".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Amazing what you learn on the internet :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, I'll play 'smart-[wagon]' with you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a simple math problem. You take the volume of the entire inside of the Earth, and then the total amount of water you would need to flood the entire Earth to the height of the highest mountain. If the amoun of water = more than the Earth's volume could hold, then it obviously isn't possible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What do you guys think is in the Earth? There is dirt, rocks, metal, gems, oil...Stuff like that, and like, 1/4 of it is a giant molten rock core.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There. Just. Isn't. Enough. Room. For. All. That. Water.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So the water couldn't form hydrated crystals under all the heat and pressure?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Uhh...Mass is mass...What does that matter? (And I mean what difference does it make, not matter as in scientific ter--Oh hell, you people get it...)

[Flametrooper]

Defender still hasn't addressed Assassin's point - that the moral of the story is that his kind, loving God decided to kill everybody on Earth, and every animal on earth (WTF? The animals did nothing wrong, that was people...), because he gave some people free will and then they used it, but it didn't go how he wanted. The Flood story makes God sound like a 6-year-old child prone to hissy fits and tantrums to me, which is sort of a blasphemy, isn't it?

[lordkrohn1626]

sigh....here we go again...okay here's a news flash...they won't ever find the ark you know why? The magical great flood never happened, thus the Ark was never built and it never housed 2 (or 7 depending on which chapter of the fictional bible you are reading) pairs of animals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unless some befuddled farmer built a boat, called it the ark, and the tale was told and retold until it became this huge thing which never was... but the ARK most likely never was as the flood never happened. Not to beat a dead horse as I did in other threads, and there are multiple ways to disprove the flood. The main one was the flood supposedly happened 5,000 years ago, the Eygptians were a thriving civilization then and obviously were not drowned by this alleged world-wide, all land covering flood. They still exist today, and the avid historians never mention a flood of biblical proportians, and never bothered to build a boat. :XD:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EDIT: well I changed my mind, here is some of my flood and ark data from my flood myth file I maintain;

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As one examines the biblical version of this story, conflicting elements become clear. The most obvious concerns the numbers of creatures Noah is to bring with him. In Gen. 6:19-20 God tells Noah to bring one pair of "every living thing including birds." But in Gen.7:2-3 God gives a different set of instructions. Here he tells Noah to bring with him seven pairs of ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅcleanÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

[deciever2]

I=atheist

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't believe any of this stuff, but in theory you're right. I'm not an encyclopedia of religious knowledge or anything buy maybe god sealed it in a magic bubble!!! :roll:

[Rebdragon]

Defender still hasn't addressed Assassin's point - that the moral of the story is that his kind, loving God decided to kill everybody on Earth, and every animal on earth ([what the heck]? The animals did nothing wrong, that was people...), because he gave some people free will and then they used it, but it didn't go how he wanted. The Flood story makes God sound like a 6-year-old child prone to hissy fits and tantrums to me, which is sort of a blasphemy, isn't it?

 

 

 

Sounds like Juno :-w .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The image of Yahweh just continually changes with the needs and cultures of the people of the time :-w .

[anonimu]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, the flood supposedly did cover the whole earth. And yes it was supernatural. But what might've actually happened is this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not too long after humans started communicating verbally or through pictures, a big human encampment was flooded. A few humans there had boats, so they put as many domesticated animals and humans as they could on those few boats. Either the village and its surrounding area was covered by water for a few days, or one or more boats got pulled by the currents towards an ocean/sea (therefore, this might've happened in the Nile or Yangtze delta, or, if the mount Ararat is really where the ark stopped is true (which it probably isn't since it would take a whole lot of water to get the water level that high), maybe even Turkey or East Africa (the Nile would still work, but this would mean that most of the animals were eaten)). This story was then retold every generation, of course with slight exaggerations. These humans then conquered all the other groups of humans in their vicinity, and therefore the story spread. Afterwards, the story-believers traded and colonized. That's why a lot of cultures have different versions of this story.

 

 

 

I don't really think that the boat stopped at Mount Ararat. So this probably occurred in the Nile, Danube (forgot that in original post), or one of the big Chinese rivers delta. (Might also be Amazon delta but that contradicts currently approved scientific theories...)

[warri0r45]

 

 

 

 

 

This water IS NOT in the Earth. How do I know that? Because it just isn't possible. The Earth doesn't have enough volume to hold it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I'm convinced :uhh:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Look it up.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you were to pump that much water into the earth, the earth would be Quick-Sand.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have fun. Lets see you build your way out of that one.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yup you are right, I just looked it up. Apparently the water has nowhere to go and the entire earth turns into sand and the volume of the water is enough to completely turn the sand into "quick sand".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Amazing what you learn on the internet :-k

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, I'll play 'smart-[wagon]' with you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a simple math problem. You take the volume of the entire inside of the Earth, and then the total amount of water you would need to flood the entire Earth to the height of the highest mountain. If the amoun of water = more than the Earth's volume could hold, then it obviously isn't possible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What do you guys think is in the Earth? There is dirt, rocks, metal, gems, oil...Stuff like that, and like, 1/4 of it is a giant molten rock core.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There. Just. Isn't. Enough. Room. For. All. That. Water.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So the water couldn't form hydrated crystals under all the heat and pressure?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And how do you propose those masses of hydrated crystals let thier water seep to the surface without the salt following and the oceans of the world turning into a supersaturated brine? o_0

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good post lordkrohn, hopefully someone will listen.

[Ambassadar]

Ok, everyone wants a Christian to build a case for Noah's ark so I will give it a go. Keep in mind I am one guy so if I get bombarded with replies I doubt I will have the time or energy to respond to them all. The question I am going to address is "Is there evidence out there so support the idea of a global flood?" I am not trying to prove the flood happened without a shadow of a doubt. I am merely making the argument that rational scientifically minded people can believe in the flood because it is possible it happened due to evidence in existence. This first post is going to address similarities in human culture around the world in regards to the flood. I will hit other issues concerning the flood in some following posts.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A popular theory is there was a large localized flood in the Mesopotamian region that has been accredited as what might have been "Noah's Great Flood." Let's look at human history to discredit this idea in support of some sort of global flood. Notice how many of these references were not in the Black Sea/Mediterranean Sea area.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Africa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Southwest Tanzania

 

 

 

Once upon a time the rivers began to flood. The god told two people to get into a ship. He told them to take lots of seed and to take lots of animals. The water of the flood eventually covered the mountains. Finally the flood stopped. Then one of the men, wanting to know if the water had dried up let a dove loose. The dove returned. Later he let loose a hawk which did not return. Then the men left the boat and took the animals and the seeds with them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Asia

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

China

 

 

 

The Chinese classic called the Hihking tells about "the family of Fuhi," that was saved from a great flood. This ancient story tells that the entire land was flooded; the mountains and everything, however one family survived in a boat. The Chinese consider this man the father of their civilization. This record indicates that Fuhi, his wife, three sons, and three daughters were the only people that escaped the great flood. It is claimed, that he and his family were the only people alive on earth, and repopulated the world.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Babylon

 

 

 

Gilgamesh met an old man named Utnapishtim, who told him the following story. The gods came to Utnapishtim to warn him about a terrible flood that was coming. They instructed Utnapishtim to destroy his house and build a large ship. The ship was to be 10 dozen cubits high, wide and long. Utnapishtim was to cover the ship with pitch. He was supposed to take male and female animals of all kinds, his wife and family, provisions, etc. into the ship. Once ship was completed the rain began falling intensely. The rain fell for six days and nights. Finally things calmed and the ship settled on the top of Mount Nisir. After the ship had rested for seven days Utnapishtim let loose a dove. Since the land had not dried the dove returned. Next he sent a swallow which also returned. Later he let loose a raven which never returned since the ground had dried. Utnapishtim then left the ship.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Chaldean

 

 

 

There was a man by the name of Xisuthrus. The god Chronos warned Xisuthrus of a coming flood and told him to build a boat. The boat was to be 5 stadia by 2 stadia. In this boat Xisuthrus was to put his family, friends and two of each animal (male and female). The flood came. When the waters started to recede he let some birds loose. They came back and he noticed they had mud on their feet. He tried again with the same results. When he tried the third time the birds did not return. Assuming the water had dried up the people got out of the boat and offered sacrifices to the gods.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

India

 

 

 

A long time ago lived a man named Manu. Manu, while washing himself, saved a small fish from the jaws of a large fish. The fish told Manu, "If you care for me until I am full grown I will save you from terrible things to come". Manu asked what kind of terrible things. The fish told Manu that a great flood would soon come and destroy everything on the earth. The fish told Manu to put him in a clay jar for protection. The fish grew and each time he outgrew the clay jar Manu gave him a larger one. Finally the fish became a ghasha, one of the largest fish in the world. The fish instructed Manu to build a large ship since the flood was going to happen very soon. As the rains started Manu tied a rope from the ship to the ghasha. The fish guided the ship as the waters rose. The whole earth was covered by water. When the waters began subsiding the ghasha led Manu's ship to a mountaintop.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Australia

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is a legend of a flood called the Dreamtime flood. Riding on this flood was the woramba, or the Ark Gumana. In this ark was Noah, Aborigines, and various animals. This ark eventually came to rest in the plain of Djilinbadu where it can still be found. They claim that the white mans story about the ark landing in the middle east is a lie that was started to keep the aborigines in subservience. This legend is undoubtedly the product of aboriginal legends merging with those of visiting missionaries, and there does not appear to be any native flood stories from Australia.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Europe

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Greece

 

 

 

A long time ago, perhaps before the golden age was over, humans became proud. This bothered Zeus as they kept getting worse. Finally Zeus decided that he would destroy all humans. Before he did this Prometheus, the creator of humans, warned his human son Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha. Prometheus then placed this couple in a large wooden chest. The rains started and lasted nine days and nights until the whole world was flooded. The only thing that was not flooded was the peaks of Mount Parnassus and Mount Olympus. Mount Olympus is the home of the gods. The wooden chest came to rest on Mount Parnassus. Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha got out and saw that everything was flooded. The lived on provisions from the chest until the waters subsided. At Zeus' instruction they re-populated the earth.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

North America

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mexico

 

 

 

The Toltec natives have a legend telling that the original creation lasted for 1716 years, and was destroyed by a flood and only one family survived.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Aztec- A man named Tapi lived a long time ago. Tapi was a very pious man. The creator told Tapi to build a boat that he would live in. He was told that he should take his wife, a pair of every animal that was alive into this boat. Naturally everyone thought he was crazy. Then the rain started and the flood came. The men and animals tried to climb the mountains but the mountains became flooded as well. Finally the rain ended. Tapi decided that the water had dried up when he let a dove loose that did not return.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

United States

 

 

 

The Ojibwe natives who have lived in Minnesota USA since approximately 1400AD also have a creation and flood story that closely paralleles the Biblical account. "There came a time when the harmonious way of life did not continue. Men and women disrespected each other, families quarreled and soon villages began arguing back and forth. This saddened Gitchie Manido [the Creator] greatly, but he waited. Finally, when it seemed there was no hope left, Creator decided to purify Mother Earth through the use of water. The water came, flooding the Earth, catching all of creation off guard. All but a few of each living thing survived." Then it tells how Waynaboozhoo survived by floating on a log in the water with various animals.

 

 

 

Ojibwe - Ancient native American creation story tells of world wide flood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Delaware Indians - In the pristine age, the world lived at peace; but an evil spirit came and caused a great flood. The earth was submerged. A few persons had taken refuge on the back of a turtle, so old that his shell had collected moss. A loon flew over their heads and was entreated to dive beneath the water and bring up land. It found only a bottomless sea. Then the bird flew far away, came back with a small portion of earth in its bill, and guided the tortoise to a place where there was a spot of dry land.

 

 

 

Delaware Indian Legends

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

South America

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Inca

 

 

 

During the period of time called the Pachachama people became very evil. They got so busy coming up with and performing evil deeds they neglected the gods. Only those in the high Andes remained uncorrupted. Two brothers who lived in the highlands noticed their llamas acting strangely. They asked the llamas why and were told that the stars had told the llamas that a great flood was coming. This flood would destroy all the life on earth. The brothers took their families and flocks into a cave on the high mountains. It started to rain and continued for four months. As the water rose the mountain grew keeping its top above the water. Eventually the rain stopped and the waters receded. The mountain returned to its original height. The shepherds repopulated the earth. The llamas remembered the flood and that is why they prefer to live in the highland areas.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.nwcreation.net/noahlegends.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There were more out there but this should be sufficient for showing the rational behind the first point for now. Just about every human civilization even if they were on opposite sides of the Earth from each other have very similar tales of a Great Flood that wiped out the Earth and the details of each story have some remarkable similarities. Mere coincidence?

[Korskin]

 

 

 

The mind is like a parachute, it is only good if it is open. To blindly believe something when all physical proof shows otherwise is only foolish.

 

 

 

I'd say that applies to you too. From my perspective, you are narrow-minded and you limit God to work under theories created by man.

[Tigra00]

Ambassador, YES, as odd as it sounds, it IS just a coincidence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even if all these societies had stories of a great flood, you'd be admitting that God was full of crap anyways. It said only Noah and his family survived. Apparently not if these other civilizations were in good enough condition to write about the disaster...They obviously weren't dead!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And does it make sense that only Noah and his family would survive anyways? It's not like other people didn't have boats. Haha.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like, every society we know about had stories of Dragons and stuff too. Did dragons exist? Of course not. You know, it is funny though...How the human mind, while thousands of miles apart, can think of the same ideas. It's almost like we all think very similar or something. But that's all it is...A big coincidence. You don't see scientists making huge claims like "Oh, they all had Dragons stories...They must have been trading between eachother with ships!" now do you? Nah. It's just coincidence. The western example of a dragon is VERY different from the chinese version, for example, but it has similarities...Enough to compare them to eachother as "the same".

[lordkrohn1626]

 

 

 

 

The mind is like a parachute, it is only good if it is open. To blindly believe something when all physical proof shows otherwise is only foolish.

 

 

 

I'd say that applies to you too. From my perspective you are narrow-minded and you limit God to work under theories created by man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well I certainly appreciate and respect your opinion :mrgreen:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you wish to wave your hand and say it was a divine miracle, good on you. Interesting how all that stopped...unless you believe in Benny Hinn :-X

 

 

 

now, just for a moment use that logic "God" gave you, and realize if the flood/Ark happened, and he waved his wand to make all the logistical impossiblities, world wide salting, mass vegetation and mammal death (which once again is not supported by a large slurry of mass fossils reflecting the entire worlds population was snuffed) go away....you can't move past the fact that the egyptians never drowned, never stopped building their incredible civilization....hmmmmmmmm #-o

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

WARRIOR45: Thanks, yeah I know it can be frustrating :wall: I had a friend once who swore up and down the world was flat, and we had never been on the moon, and no amount of proof could convince him of otherwise...bless him, used to drive me up the wall.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ambassador: Back then stories was the media of the day, with world wide trade (yes there was world wide trading going on) they also traded stories along with goods and services. People loved a new story, and with each telling the more exaggerated it would get, and the more they would tell it, the more they would individualize the story, until it became something they knew intimately about, and took ownership of. It went from a great story heard from afar to something that had been incorporated within their own beliefs and upon the generations telling it..became a divine ethnic cleansing of "Biblical" proportions.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

USE....YOUR....BRAIN....AND.....LOGIC.

[StrOwez]

O:) Ill add my views to this topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Noah's arc is a true. Other people at that time did not have boats or knew anything about boats, it hardly rained back then, the population of the world was in its thousands. God miraculously gave Noah the plans for the boat and Noah spent decades making it, now the arc contained young and baby animals, some Christians think dinosaurs were left out of the arc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why did God flood the earth? Well because of the people on it, they all rebelled against God, Noah gave the people a chance to come into the arc with him but instead they all mocked him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The flooding of the earth is a strong evidence of the fossil fuels and fossils we have today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did the water go? Well if you read the bible it says 'The Heavens opened, underground etc.' so some of the water might have been added miraculously and some water came from underground.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did the water go? LOOK at all the ice in the North Pole, underground rives etc. Oceans!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah yes, the mountains back then were not as high as now because the major mountains formed after the flood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well thatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s my penny, if you have any questions ill try and answer I think i answered the main ones you guys have from a believers points of view.

[Parabola]

and you limit God to work under theories created by man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ahh yes, the old theological trump card.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The old theological trump card that only makes any sense if you are already a theist. Making it as redundant as the 'if you don't believe in god, you're going to hell' attempt at conversion.

[lordkrohn1626]

O:) Ill add my views to this topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Noah's arc is a true. Other people at that time did not have boats or knew anything about boats, it hardly rained back then, the population of the world was in its thousands. God miraculously gave Noah the plans for the boat and Noah spent decades making it, now the arc contained young and baby animals, some Christians think dinosaurs were left out of the arc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why did God flood the earth? Well because of the people on it, they all rebelled against God, Noah gave the people a chance to come into the arc with him but instead they all mocked him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The flooding of the earth is a strong evidence of the fossil fuels and fossils we have today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did the water go? Well if you read the bible it says 'The Heavens opened, underground etc.' so some of the water might have been added miraculously and some water came from underground.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did the water go? LOOK at all the ice in the North Pole, underground rives etc. Oceans!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah yes, the mountains back then were not as high as now because the major mountains formed after the flood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well thatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s my penny, if you have any questions ill try and answer I think i answered the main ones you guys have from a believers points of view.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't even know where to begin with that lunacy. population in the thousands? ever study history? Heard of the Egyptians who were the most powerful civilization 5,000 years ago when this fanatasy was alleged to take place? why dont you look back a page or so where I break down the water issue...here's some more for you since you want toquote the Bible on water above and below etc etc....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There are no waters above the earth and none below as stated in Genesis 1:7. This myth stems from the biblical assertion that the earth is a flat disk covered by a rigid hemispherical dome, i.e., the firmament. All ancient near eastern creation myths are based on this primitive astronomical concept. The flat earth and its dome-shaped covering are said to exist as an enclosed bubble of air suspended in a universe filled with water. So when God feels like it, all he has to do is to open the windows of heaven and/or unplug the fountains of the deep and the water pours into this little saucer-shaped planet. Such assertions can only be construed as more biblical nonsense. Surely God knew he created a round planet, not a flat one....put the book down and think.... :XD:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

MOuntains formed after the flood? omg, you must be like 8yo...have you ever studied geology? formation of major mountains? history of the earth? ancient civilizations which flourished through this fake flood event?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

when you said that was your penny, you weren't kidding.

[Tigra00]

O:) Ill add my views to this topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Noah's arc is a true. Other people at that time did not have boats or knew anything about boats, it hardly rained back then, the population of the world was in its thousands. God miraculously gave Noah the plans for the boat and Noah spent decades making it, now the arc contained young and baby animals, some Christians think dinosaurs were left out of the arc.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why did God flood the earth? Well because of the people on it, they all rebelled against God, Noah gave the people a chance to come into the arc with him but instead they all mocked him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The flooding of the earth is a strong evidence of the fossil fuels and fossils we have today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did the water go? Well if you read the bible it says 'The Heavens opened, underground etc.' so some of the water might have been added miraculously and some water came from underground.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Where did the water go? LOOK at all the ice in the North Pole, underground rives etc. Oceans!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ah yes, the mountains back then were not as high as now because the major mountains formed after the flood.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well thatÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢s my penny, if you have any questions ill try and answer I think i answered the main ones you guys have from a believers points of view.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good thing a penny isn't worth much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People back then knew how to build boats. Infact, people even had large boats for trading. It is assumed that Noah was a trader and actually built this boat to trade, and there was a flood in the region and he was swept out to sea. That's if it even happened, which it didn't. It's just a story.

[Wisp]

Well. Let's say Noah managed to build a wonderful boat fileld with animals and they all fit, and somehow it wasn't the size of, like NYC loll.

 

 

 

And the animals all decided to get along and everyone was happy and didn't eat kill or maim each other.

 

 

 

That much water is not possible. as said before.

 

 

 

The overwhelming majority of water has been on earth since close to 4.2-3.8 billion years ago if i remember correctly.

 

 

 

The only way water can leave the planet or "disapear" is to dump it in space.

 

 

 

So no. just no.

[Satenza]

Yes we have all established that scientifically it is rubbish and could never happen which leaves God to be the cause for everything within the story. The water, the changing of animal nature for a short period, the sheer impossibility of a wooden vessel being able to hold that many animals ect. It would have been better and less trouble if God just kileld off everyone and started again.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, so center the discussion around the moral behind it, promoting genocide.

[Blue_Eggz]

Bible = Fiction

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bible = Stories picked up from 1-3k years ago that are edited

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Noahs Ark = Fake

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bible = SCAM!!! (You're wasting your money on fake stories that GOD makes you believe -.- )

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BURN YOUR BIBLES!!!

[Korskin]

 

and you limit God to work under theories created by man.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ahh yes, the old theological trump card.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The old theological trump card that only makes any sense if you are already a theist. Making it as redundant as the 'if you don't believe in god, you're going to hell' attempt at conversion.

 

 

 

We're discussing the Ark and how God supposedly flooded the earth. How is the question of God's omnipotence senseless and redundant?