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Distortion of numbers is simply dishonesty; listing a weapons attack speed as, say, 2.8 seconds instead of 2.2 is lying, plain and simple. Any numerical debate based on a lie will quickly degenerate, as has been shown many times. But I agree that kids can act mature, which for all purposes besides academic discussion is the same thing. Then why keep bringing it up? I skim over it in less then a second, and it simply increases confusion and post complexity while detracting from your main debate. Best to stick to points you believe in. It's one or the other - either you think people disagreeing with me weakens unrelated debates on different topics, or you think it doesn't. Which is it?

According to the definition of "proof" (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proof), "evidence sufficient to establish a thing as true", should I post proof, there's nothing else you could post to rectify it - proof establishes it as true, period, and signifies the end of a debate. Not that I'm lacking in sources - I've already posted 11; you must have overlooked them. I'll repost them for your benefit: Math related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buisness http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra http://www.mathleague.com/help/algebra/algebra.htm http://library.thinkquest.org/20991/prealg/eq.html Definition related: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/for-profit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_sch ... th_America http://www.jagex.com/corporate/About/history.ws http://www.runescape.com/members/members.ws http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/proof Financially related: http://www.mechscapeworld.com/images/re ... erview.gif http://www.mechscapeworld.com/images/re ... xStaff.jpg You posted one source, the definition of Assume, that stemmed from a misinterpretation of my post which I corrected you on, making the definition irrelevant. Now, let's see some sources from you that relate to the discussion and disprove each of mine. What's odd about it? I had a good week, it generally puts people in a good mood :? Already told you I'm not, I'm just brisk and sarcastic when debating. It's me paying attention, not me hating people ;)

But they will generally still argue, and since I stick to fact-based arguments, I don't have to worry about how highly they regard me. Which I agreed with, so I'm not sure why you insist upon dragging it out. Only in relation to opinion based threads; as far as facts (specifically numerical) go, prove that X + 5 = 8, and there's nothing left to argue. That's what I mean by concrete arguments; as virtually everything is RS is numbers-based (Mostly because it's coded in numbers :lol: ), most RS arguments boil down to 1 number versus another. I'm glad we got it straight that you needn't post any more about what you think of me, we don't have to waste any more time on that. I'll assume you won't try and bring it up again, just quote this paragraph and say you agree with it so I have a quick sound byte in case you bring it up again. So you agree that people agreeing or disagreeing with me has nothing to do with my debate, and your whole point about a mod disagreeing with me has nothing whatsoever to do with debating, and was merely a personal jab?

I've been using Artemis's method with my unicorn and maxed stats. I tried several trips with whip, godsword, and mage, and this beats them all. It's far less hassle only switching between two prayers, and then only rarely, and it is essentially the same speed - even faster with piety flashing. Plus, it allows for trips of 50+ kills; it uses very few supplies and doesn't have the bother of frequent banking.

No proof besides financial records, public statement, the main website itself, PTP vs. FTP, and the entire current decimal system. What's your proof, again? I don't recall any of your sources, perhaps you forgot to include them? I don't hate anyone on this forum, I'm in a very good mood now (and have been for the past week, buisness is looking up somewhat \ ), but I do stick to what I believe in. One out of three aint bad. He's welcome to ignore my posts, I certainly wasn't forcing him to read them. He's the one who sent hate-filled PMs, I never sent him any unsolicited message of spam or any other kind :?

I disagree with that. It tends to draw more attention to them; unless they fade into the background, they are generally hounded upon more and more as people spy easy prey. Everyone likes to be right, and most people like to correct obvious mistakes in others. My bad, I meant "being vs. acting". See my previous posts in that thread if you need more background. It basically boils down to appearing vs. having the frontal lobe thought processes that signify psychological (mental) maturity. I certainly care who's right, or I wouldn't have admitted it when I believed I was wrong, and it would be hard to debate without listening to the other person :lol: Read any review site for an example. Critics are always more outspoken. How many times must I repeat I really don't care what you think of me? You would do well to focus on the actual debate instead of trumpeting how you think my reputation is shot.

That's odd, their financial records seem to disagree with you, as does our current system of accepted decimal manipulation. Or your just using it as an excuse because you've been proven wrong. As for the quote below, I'd like to show you a PM from that same person I received a few hours ago: 'Nuff said.

It's 07, but he's making the argument that because I didn't personally collect them from Jagex, the numbers are invalid :lol: I did learn to read, well enough to read the financial statements. It would be good for you to do so also. Not sure what insult your trying to use, but I certainly can't materialize money either. Hence why I'd rather mine went to updates for me, not updates for freeloaders. Sorry, but I don't need Jagex to tell me that addition works. Thankfully, I have their financial records anyway, so I have both. There's more direct ways to admit you were wrong, but I guess that works too.

More so then if the game didn't exist?

May I ask what that has to do with Algebra? I'm whining because the money I paid to receive updates is being distributed to freeloaders with no return. Sorry, but flame as you will, you can't materialize money out of thin air. *sigh* The sarcasm floats right over your head :?

It's the best possible solution to a charity. Legalizing RWT means shutting down RS, and you can't run a charity on a game that doesn't exist. So it's the best of all possible options.

That's a definite yes, but I don't think I've ever encountered such a person yet. I stick to the logic\factual debates where everything is set in stone and there is a definite wrong and right. English sometimes stretches this, but definitions can usually clear things up. Hence why I generally don't participate in religious debates; there is no information that can be used for a definite conclusion. You must have looked at the wrong post, as the post I linked to referenced your "arguments" against being vs. mature. The last section covers it best, though the argument is best confined to that thread. It's a debate. I don't care who is right or wrong on an online forum about RS. I love debating; if I didn't, would have left this forum long ago. I'm here mainly to argue. For every critical post, I've had 3 other people PM me saying what a great job I'm doing. Don't try and use the 'I can't prove you wrong, but since other people agree with me you must be wrong!' argument. We're talking about a concrete argument, not a complete vs. incomplete debate. You misunderstood my post. I'm simply saying that the skill is worse combat XP then powertraining methods, correcting a common misconception I noted, especially in the H&A forums. I'm not saying the skill isn't enjoyable or worth training for fun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra seem to take issue with that. No matter how much you whine about it, 2 + 2 will never equal 5 :roll: I don't recall seeing you say you were in 8th grade, perhaps you could point that out for me? All I remember is "middle school", taken to mean grades 5 through 8th (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_sch ... th_America). Ever been to A[bleep]hanastan? If you haven't, how do you know it exists? How do you know the Space Shuttle landed? I didn't see anything about that at Jagex.com. In the same manner, I know that business are designed to produce profit. I'll repeat my steps again, since it seem to have slipped your mind as to which one you were arguing against :roll: #1: Jagex is a for-profit business (jagex.com) #2: The goal of a for-profit business, by definition, is to make a profit (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/for-profit) #3: If losses increase in one area, they must decrease in another to maintain profit (Simple addition, General Math; Detailed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra)

Then it voilates the rants forum rules at viewtopic.php?f=66&t=783809:

Ah, that clears it up. And what does trying to discredit me have to do with this argument? It certainly doesn't bother me, and it's not going to make me suddenly dislike debating. See viewtopic.php?f=66&t=787454&start=360#p6563861, where I completely discredit your made up definitions. "Shaping up" and "creditability" don't hinge on your approval of me, and I honestly couldn't care less which you think; it makes no difference in a factual argument. Which is quite obviously proven wrong in the threads where I am proven wrong (See the Torso thread for a recent example). Which has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread, which seeks to prove that slayer is a fun alternative method to powertraining, but is not as efficient in terms of XP - a factual argument, not opinion based.

Read. This. Page. http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... cle_id=567

It's a corollary to my next argument, proving it correct. Or maybe because I'm correct and your trying to use it to avoid an argument. Also, I have a question: If you were in middle school 4 years ago, how old are you now? What on earth does that have to do with their financial records? Your trying to say employee cost is 0, while this chart from their records says your wrong: And let us not forget CR: More like your a fool who's trying to argue against a company's financial records and the decimal system itself =D>

As far as I know, FTP and PTP are made by the same company (Jagex Ltd.). Source: Jagex.com. As such, the repercussions from a change are felt across the company; you won't have one sector failing without the company backing it up. On one side, we have Jagex financial records. On the other, we have "T3h1337m3x1c4n" saying he doesn't believe them with no logic or sources whatsoever to back up his claim. Let's see, who wins? Sorry, but Jagex knows more about Jagex then you :lol:

*raises hand* I have something valuable to say! As a quote from a mod proved, Jagex had been under pressure and threat of law suit due to credit card fraud, and was forced to chose between credit card payment and ending RWT. Since nearly 90% of their USA subscribers used credit card (Not sure where you live, but I'm in the US and the credit card is BIG), they faced the decision to lose 60k subscribers (mostly macros, some disgruntled PKers) and change the gameplay style of a small percentage of the population (PKers), or shut down the game from the loss of a large portion of their subscriber base. They made the choice to keep the game going, regained far more subscriptions, and have continued to grow by leaps and bounds. Give one good reason that removal of the trade limit would be worth shutting down RS, as you seem to have overlooked that in your posts.

#3: In order to maintain a stead profit, if costs in one sector increase costs in another sector must decrease to compensate (Simple addition, General Math; Detailed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra) Why do you disagree? What makes you think Jagex is exempt from the laws of decimal math? Any logical reason besides the Jagex towers being situated in a black hole? Since you rattled on so long about sources, I'd like to see some on YOUR data :roll: Reasonably so, but it's yet another cost.

Then why is this in a RS rant forum? Shouldn't it go in off topic?

And for making a profit, cooking DOES suck. But if you enjoy the skill, it doesn't suck. What's your point? :?

I'll go through the steps again: #1: Jagex is a for-profit business (jagex.com) #2: The goal of a for-profit business, by definition, is to make a profit (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/for-profit) #3: In order to maintain a stead profit, if costs in one sector increase costs in another sector must decrease to compensate (Simple addition, General Math; Detailed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebra) Final statement: If FTP costs go up, PTP costs must come down to maintain profit, as detailed in #3. Please explain which of the steps you think are incorrect. Jagex mods to read forums and post stickies as well as interfere in serious cases certainly aren't, but I believe the bulk of the costs will be hosting and bandwidth.

We're talking about being killed for item loss; specifically, losing items for no good reason - not something with inherent risk as a balance like bosses. Again, it's the insult, not the risk or action - it's a built in element, but the insults themselves set it apart. Which is true of money in RL as well. How many people do you know that would starve to death if they lost, 20$, 50$, or even 100$? I'm not comparing the RS items, I'm comparing the genera idea that just because the physical medium isn't valuable in and of itself doesn't mean there isn't a value assigned to it. They most certainly do not compare to RS. I've played quite a few myself and watched videos, and I've NEVER seen anything comparing to HD. OpenGL rendering is difficult to decompile and reassemble, and very time consuimg to build from scratch. I'd like to see a link. That also has little to do with PKing; items must be earned in the real RS, which is the problem with losing them when PKed.

We agreed about acting, but disagreed on being... Do you honestly think I care at all what you think of me? I'm not going to say I lost just because it makes you happy when I didn't. Sorry, but the dictionary takes precedence over you. Because it's a waste of admins time for a trivial issue. I try to keep the mods on my side; I frequently get posts deleted (sometimes with good reason, my sarcasm has been known to get out of hand :oops: ), but I only bother when I feel that an important point has been unfairly removed. Agreed, that's why I love slayer \ First of all, if you think I'm wrong on the wildy thread, post there - not here. That being said, it was VERY obvious from the discussion who was right and wrong. Zero was trying to be stubborn, but his continued bullheadedness and refusal to accept that I knew what I meant better then him proved his Achilles's heel. It may come as a complete suprise to you, but except for a few (duely noted) exceptions, I DO think I am correct when I'm in an argument. Then again, by definition, an argument (a dispute where there is strong disagreement) REQUIRES that I think I'm right. If you don't like my opinions, your welcome to add me to your ignore list. Then you obviously didn't look close enough, it's all in there - and you'd have to read it anyway to argue it. I make a point of responding to every issue raised by a poster by quoting each part of their argument. If they don't think I've responded to a particular part well enough, they can point it out. It's certainly much better then many other posters I've seen, who cherry pick sentences they disagree with. I'm working on it, but I readily accept feedback :P Results without method details are as useless as a total XP number. All of the info is in my replies, I see no reason why I should spoon feed it to them so they can blather on with points already covered long ago.