compfreak847

Since the whole 'hating' thing seems to be an issue, I'll just set the record straight: I can think of only one TIF user I strongly dislike, and he hasn't been seen around here for months. Other then that, I couldn't give a rats tush if people like me or not. I'm going to continue to state my opinion, and do my utmost to back it up. If you don't like that, please leave these forums and go somewhere more suitable for you like http://www.planetcarebears.com/

You can get to all of those in under 2 minutes. There's no problem. An example of a bug that could come from a glitch in the server updates. Don't go spouting that a bug is better then a tiny update that would virtually never be used - a bug is a quick way to trash a game (See: Fally Massacre)

Calculations were based off of testing - you had tested (or at least claimed) you did for your rates, I used mine and qeltar together to some up with something we agree upon. I don't need to. That data is required for an argument; we can whine about how far off each others total rates are, but until we drill into the details, we arn't getting anywhere with the differences. Get specifics, I'll compare, and we can argue and test the differences. I'm not about to redo every single number I've ever tested or seen from slayer just to see if my results differ from yours this time, and I doubt your about to do the same. May I ask where I "admitted" I was lying? My rates can be found earlier in this thread, although I haven't found my original spreadsheets on my computer for the desire details. Sorry, but I don't need to justify my personal rates. I really couldn't care less who agrees or doesn't agree with them. Like I said, I changed them to the maxes in order to have a factual debate which was much funner and easier to resolve then an opinionated debate.

How many slayer monsters do you know that will demolish you in 30 or so seconds from lag that are more then 5 minutes from a bank and are commonly traveled by players who would repair? As mentioned earlier, changing the servers to maintain awareness of players across worlds took a considerable amount of work (Andrew's post). Little bugs like locking you out of your account are so much better then an absurdly small chance of having a grave repaired? I agree it should be changed, but bugs certainly can make it MUCH worse.

I'm honestly not sure what your talking about, as there was extensive testing on (I thought) both of our parts in the beginning, continuing on for dozens of page. You still have not answered nearly all of my questions. You have not given me a listing of rates from each task, nor drop profits and banking times used, or profit rates with rare drops separated out. Those are essential - you can't just throw out a "total" XP number and expect to debate that. Once you give me those we can begin debating various tasks. Those were posted eons ago dozens of pages back in this thread, your welcome to go back and look for them. Unfortunately, I lost most of the spreadsheet files from the debates when I reformatted and forgot to back them up, but there are screenshots and listings of XP rates. That's exactly my point - if they are going to debate numbers, they cannot simply read the first post to argue. It's easy to weed out the ones who do. And no, my 45k\h XP rate is still standard for not paying attention. I stand behind that post, in which I used my personal rates instead of the max obtainable. For the sake of converting this into a logic instead of opinionated debate, we went with the "max possible" numbers.

Uhh... What does it matter if they dissapear? Because they look pretty? Virtually the only time it's going to be blessed is if your at a clan event\with a friend, in which case it would be blessed long before the log out timer. It's very unlikely it would have been blessed in the last 3 minutes but not the first 2. If you're at a training spot, usually (unless the guy hates you for whatever reason) they'll repair it, but not bless it. Point is, it should've been this way from the beginning, so I think of it as a bug fix more than anything else. Very few dangerous spots that you'll die from lag at involve "training with someone else". Yes, it is something that would be nice to have changed, but requires a lot of effort and certainly isn't something to get upset over.

So are you just going to spam because you can't think of any real argument? Sorry, but logic is here to stay. I'm sarcastic and abrasive when debating, but I do my best to stay on topic. If you don't like my posting style, please add me to your ignore list or send me a PM to work out personal issues instead of continuing to clog this thread with spam. He's not getting depressed because of it, he's simply saying that it's a stuipd "insult" lacking any sort of real backing.

It wasn't used long enough for any real effect (look at the cost of rare PVP items), and it didn't bring GP into the game. So no.

Of course. [developmentally delayed]ed and idiotic, but I've seen it.

What's the point of life? We're comparing RS to treasure RL items, not your job. Both have no as-yet identified purpose aside from enjoyment and fulfillment.

Yeah, but the wrong forum art took precedence this time, what with all the mod talk about making things on topic and in the correct forum.

Uhh... What does it matter if they dissapear? Because they look pretty? Virtually the only time it's going to be blessed is if your at a clan event\with a friend, in which case it would be blessed long before the log out timer. It's very unlikely it would have been blessed in the last 3 minutes but not the first 2.

Gratz, very nice drops. I like the 2 hilts :o

Back when I was on dial up. Graves still stand up, I never really got the complaints about disconnecting. If someones gonna bless, it'll be a teammate be in the first few minutes after you die. And updating server awareness of players isn't an easy or bug-free task.

Cool :shock: I'll probably stick with RS, though. I like it.

Virtually everything in the universe is changing; to even know what's happening at the current time is impossible, as there is a finite amount of information that is updating at infinite speed. I'm looking at it more from the physical perspective then scientific, as that's generally the only place where infinity can be found :P

Not really, considering Money is RL and pixels are computer. Unless you can't tell the differnce between Real Life and Pixels. That's the only reason I see this "argument" actually working. -.- I have to question if you even know what paper money is or what it represents. Paper money takes time to accumulate. You don't just walk into the world and have $1 billion dollars thrown on your lap (unless you inherit, but that's rare). Paper money represents the amount of time you have spent working. Pixels on the computer take time to accumulate. You don't just walk into the RuneScape and have 5 partyhat sets and 10 of every godsword thrown on your lap (unless you go to the Party Room, but that's rare). Pixels represent the amount of time you have spent working. ROFL. My point is that you guys are comparing runescape to real life. Unless you can't tell the differnce to the point where runescape IS your life, suck it up and move on. Both occupy time, and therefore both represent real time. One (rl) is worth a lot more and is a lot more important than the other (rs), but both are different worths of the same thing. It's like you saying, oh look, I spent 1 hour working and I got 5 euros, and the next hour a different guy only gave me 3 dollars. The dollars are worth so much less, so I don't care about them at all. Time is the bridging factor, unless you would like to say that time is not real. But then that's a whole different debate. I get the feeling that curling is one of those immature flamers who will try to endlessly insult us with 'wow u m ust be a nerd if u cant tell the difference'. Truth is, the only quantifiable measure besides profit (end outcome) is time invested and enjoyment obtained - both factors influencing RS. Unless we're playing in a black hole, we can assume time is one dimensional and can be measured, even if it's only through our interpretation. Therefore, they are really very similar. And I get the feeling that your one of those immature kids that thinks everything is directed at you. Note the UNLESS, kid, before you post read the whole post not just what you want to read okay? Ah, so THIS is what you PMed me about. For those who missed out, it's "ROFL how much of a idiot do you have to be? Reading just what you want to see kid? Incredibly, rediciously sad. Read the whole posts next time kid." In response: Please respond to my post instead of trying to flame me with a en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem argument. In response to that separate topic, I'm 32, and my son is probably older then you. So "kid" probably isn't an accurate term

Take a look at this video: It details the hallying method, it looks pretty good. Void really seems to help speed up kills, and with no food required (and prayer only half the time), trips would go on for eons, especially with a pack yak on top of the unicorn. I should finish up the last of the quests today (finally! hardcore questing for 5 days -.- ) and I'll give both methods a try.

This thread has stayed almost entirely on topic #-o The threads that wander off topic are the stuipd, poorly written ones with no point or logic behind them that are disproved and thrown out in the first page. Mods need to lock them, after that they just end up becoming discussion threads. My "slayer sucks" has stayed remarkably on topic for over 66 pages \

May I ask what they've done to "deserve" it? What makes then so special that it's worth withholding updates from us and giving them our money for no good reason? Look, if I want to help the needy, I'll donate to a charity. I'm paying Jagex to give me updates, not split the money up among 1 million customers and 5 million freeloaders.

Not a chance. I don't know about you, but I did a considerable amount of testing for those rates; there has been nothing to challange them since. All you've done since then is randomly thrown total XP numbers into the thread every now and then with no explanation or details. Then I guess we'll start over from page 1 \ Post your details for each task, and I'll start comparing to mine. I still have tables with the XP rates I used, so we can compare them closely. But they still will; any time they disagree with the numbers, they spit out a semi-gibberish post that shows they haven't even read the first post. If ANYONE is going to argue the numbers, they HAVE to go back and read the entire history - I'm not explaining reasoning behind a cannon again. If they just want to discuss fun vs. XP, the current post suits that purpose. Debate time :thumbsup:

Doesn't work. All code is run server sided and clients simply send the commands and stream the responses from the server. It's why it runs so well on low end PCs (all the client has to do is render the objects in the defined parameters), but the server load is significant. It's the only way to handle disconnects and lag [bleep]es, which keeps RS running on dial up or very poor connections. So no, it wouldn't offer any sort of advantage - it'd be a huge disadvantage, in fact.

Rates are being used from http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=765267&hilit=re%3A+slayer+sucks&start=800 and previously. I quite you: Look, if you want to start changing the rates we used to come to that conclusion, you can't just throw in numbers and use them. If you want to, I'll gladly start this debate over and begin calculating and testing numbers from scratch, but unless there's something drastically different between when we agreed earlier on and now, I don't really see anything productive coming out of it. That's possible, but without knowing all the details people tend to barge in and try and renew the obvious points of the debate that have already been covered. At least this way when people come in blathering about zombie monkies I know they haven't bothered to read the replies, and it's easier to weed out. You do have a point, though - 65 pages is too much for a casual debate. I just don't think a 'casual debate' is going to do anything, however - we've debate these numbers far more in depth then I can ever hope to cover in a single post, and arguing with them is going to take a deep understanding of all the underlying posts. So if they want to argue about "fun" or another of my points (I still firmly believe in every part of my original post), they don't have to wade through hundreds of pages of numbers, but if they DO plan to argue the numbers, they better read carefully before posting. Gah, I thought I had it that time. Sorry about that, it's my dislexia kicking in - I swap the "s" and "i" to get ydraisl, and sometimes throw in an "e" simply because it looks bad. Guess I've gotta copy and paste it from above your avatar :lol: :wall:

As even ydraisel has stated, we have reached an agreement on XP rates around page 50 through extensive testing. You have obviously not even scratched the surface of the debate, as all testing was recorded in detail and carefully documented. Look, if your too lazy to read my argument before responding, I see no reason why I should read yours. Your more then welcome to argue on this thread, but please don't post again until you read more carefully.

As even ydraisel has stated, we have reached an agreement on XP rates around page 50 through extensive testing. You have obviously not even scratched the surface of the debate, as all testing was recorded in detail and carefully documented. Look, if your too lazy to read my argument before responding, I see no reason why I should read yours. Your more then welcome to argue on this thread, but please don't post again until you read more carefully.