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viewtopic.php?f=66&t=791116&start=40#p6598867 *sigh* Why? Why is it I can't say that the old TIF stayed on topic longer and give examples to back it up? See above; simplest and most probable explanation wins with lack of other evidence.

Less value for your money is all the time you spend not playing the game -- you paid for a month's membership. Every hour you spend sleeping is less time you can spend playing and therefore less value for your money. Why not complain about the need for sleep? Because all of those are natural factors controlled by me, not Jagex. It's my personal choice to balance those to suit my playing style and decided how much enjoyment I derive from them. It's also my personal choice to disagree when Jagex does something to change that and reduce my enjoyment.

Then you are not using a hally correctly. I have NEVER gotten to 4 knockdowns with a hally, 3 is uncommon, 2 is the most common, and I've gotten quite a few with a SINGLE knockdown. You just have to be fast with switching. Don't forget you are maxed out just about. Just like the players I'm advocating this for #-o

Holy friggin crap. Your suggestion that FTP get a level 40 armor that costs 100k and beats every single armor currently in the game. Why don't we make GWD available to FTP, make all of the bosses level 2, and make hilt drops 100%? What about scaling up weapons so they always hit whatever the HP of the thing your attacking is? I mean, that'd be so ubierly leet rite? We do need updates to melee to make it match up to mage and range, but not level 40 FTP armor greater then anything members has at the moment #-o GF, TIF. GF.

That depends who you listen to ;) We were in agreement earlier, but apparently he made up all his rates for the first 50 or so pages so the agreement was false. (cues deep announcer voice) He's back. And this time he's got REAL proof. That being said (I love that line :lol: ), there should NOT be a significant difference in the rates two high level slayers are obtaining using the same methods. Once we figure that out and end up back where we were several dozen pages ago, we can begin running numbers and tweaking methods again.

But I'm getting fewer of them, resulting in less value for my money - something I don't like, and something which I have every right to disagree with.

Because my entire point was that you based an argument on a logical fallacy. Therefore, anything you said about "providing updates proving it" was invalid and didn't contribute to your argument. And therein ends the 'mature post' streak. 45 posts before the thread degenerated. Better then what I expected, but the old TIF did so much better. Disappointing to see what we've turned into. I'd give a lot for a mature debate with someone like Muggi. I argued for over a year with him without a single insult. In response to your post: Sorry, but you need to separate opinions from facts. I posted a statement, namely that Jagex decisions are the best for the current information - they launch the updates that appear to be the best choice for the game. That is an opinion, but it marks the best possible alternative given the complete lack of evidence for the subject at hand.

And I'm paying for both the game and continued updates. http://www.runescape.com/members/members.ws Notice the FIRST item on that list. Anything that deprives me of that is reducing the bang for my buck, something I dislike that prompted me to write a single, mature post on the general discussion about.

They can't discriminate against players based on how skilled they are, and therein lies the problem. Basically, anything that balances it out for high level players makes it absurdly expensive for everyone else. I can make almost 3m an hour through merchanting + TDs; my time is worth 15x what a newb who doesn't know how to earn money's time. If we're charged the same fee, either I benefit enormously or he is totally screwed. There is simply no way to balance it.

I see it as a path to salvation that results in a division between men. Any time there is a conflict of beliefs, sparks fly (See "the internetz" for examples). Everyone thinks they are right and anyone who differs when them is wrong. When it's something where no one can be proven right or wrong, major problems occur (See "holy wars", otherwise known as "most of history" for examples).

Exactly. Therefore, simplest explanation wins. That was my entire point. I'm glad it's clear now, I could have explained it better :P May I ask what that has to do with ANYTHING? You appear to have either completely misread my posts or totally misunderstood what I've been trying to say. What I am saying is that Jagex decisions are the best for the current information - they launch the updates that appear to be the best choice for the game. It's quite obvious that this would be done as a buisness, and I'm not sure why it's so hotly contested.

I can see from your point of view - that the game is good enough for you, and you don't care what happens to improve or detract from it. However, from a logical standpoint your view simply does not hold water. We are all welcome to our own opinions, but they can also be wrong. Recognizing when our opinions are incorrect is a necessary but difficult to learn skill.

You can't be serious.... I can be. See other posts for further proof. I don't generally joke during debates, deadpan humor is too easy to miss and leads to flame wars.

I banish thee to 4chan from whence thou camest. [hide=]I've lost once.[/hide]

But it affects you. More people enjoying updates = more money from the game, for the game = more updates overall = more updates you enjoy. So what? I'll try to put it into mathmatics for you. X is how much you enjoy the game. If you add to X (updates you enjoy) it grows larger. If you subtact from X (updates you dislike) it grows smaller. It doesn't matter what X is. So do you or don't you like updates as a whole? Your still not communicating that. If you like updates, then less of a good thing is bad, more of it is good. Don't even try and pull the "too much of a good thing" argument, as we're not discussing an overabundance of updates thanks to steep learning curves.

http://www.cracked.com/article_17061_5-things-you-think-will-make-you-happy-but-wont.html Basically the more we get what we want the more miserable we are. Nigerians are the happiest people on earth. Life boils down to two things: Happiness and Afterlife\Religion. Regardless of your religion, your life here has the sole point of making you feel good. So anything that makes you happier overall = good. The bad part is that it appears the only way to make us happy is to take away everything that makes us happy.

So, what's your proposed "fees" for areas? For high level players whos time is worth 2m+ an hour, it's worth hundreds of thousands of GP to bank, and anything less is a DRASTIC game unbalance. Are you jking with your 5 to 10% fees? A inventory of sharks is around 2k in "fees". Do you know how much that means to high level players? Hint: It takes us approx. 3 seconds to earn that much - it'll take many times times that just to do the trade. Half an inventory of monkfish at a training spot that takes 5 minutes to bank at (your example) would require 167k in fees to balance out the time, roughly 4,600% in fees. So yes, if you have to pay five thousand percent in fees for usage it would be balanced for normal uses, not including fees. So to bank your inventory of rune scimmies, your going to pay roughly 3,400,000 GP to balance it against high level players. See the problem yet? :roll:

And maybe it was something like Summoning or Slayer. It's all about the averages, baby. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average

Those two statements have a lot to do with it. I don't know how I can make it any simpler. That analogy is trash -- the majority of updates are like no payment -- they have negligible effect on my gameplay (many quests that can stand alone, graphical updates (I still mostly play in SD, except during some quests with cutscenes), and the like). I am satisfied with the game as it is right now. If there is an update that improves it in the future, then I will welcome it. If it doesn't, then I am still playing a game that I enjoy. If I could, I'd play Classic, since I liked the game the way it was and it doesn't matter to me if it's updated or not. I enjoy the game whether or not it is updated. If there is an update that I like, I will welcome it. I pay to play the full game -- the frequent updates are extras -- I don't get what the hell you can't understand here. All the updates are benefits to SOMEONE - just because you don't enjoy them doesn't mean they are worthless. And your still missing the point - fewer updates period = fewer updates you enjoy. It has nothing whatsoever to do with you enjoy the game regardless, so PLEASE stop posting that. How much you enjoy the game in no way relates to what I'm saying or how much you enjoy updates. I'm asking if you enjoy updates or not - it's that simple. If you don't enjoy updates, then you don't care if the game is updated. If you do enjoy updates - even if it's only once in a great while, then you DO care if the game is updated. It doesn't matter if I have a penny or a million dollars, 5$ more is still appreciated. It's the level of appreciate that changes, not the appreciation itself.

Christianity. Yeah, I'm boring, and it's one I already believe is real (No I will not debate with you OT, everything's been said on this topic here), but the idea of a greater purpose is something I can't life my life without.

And chickens run around in circles getting blood everywhere... : As long as Pirate Bay removes the torrents for copyrighted material from thier site, they will have no futher problems like this and be allowed to operate freely. Then it'll be empty. Exactly. Do you know how many people use TPB to find the latest copy of AVG Anti Virus Free Edition? Hint: None. They can get a faster connection and a virus free download from the main website. All of the traffic is due to copyrighted videos, music, and software.

Forums for FTP = Servers and Jagex Mods for FTP = More money for FTP = Less money for PTP = Fewer updates for PTP

Alright, I'll post the minimum required for it to be even thought of. 99 summoning, 99 magic on a Lunar spellbook, with a fee of at least 500k per item. Anything other then that would horrendously unbalance the game, and that alone ruins it for any sort of practical purpose. I see no way anyone could ever use this on a practical basis. How do you make it send multiple items, and how is that any better? Hate to break it to you, but Jagex already fixed this. It's common called the "Pack Yak". Take note of its amazing special: http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Winter_Storage

Bolded the part I have a problem with. I'm going to drop this as I've stated my opinion, realized it differs from the mods, and have accepted that that is simply how it is. That being said, how much is there besides bans (including IP), warnings, and post removals? And that differs how from a detailed description of how to freeze another players character in BH to instantly get all of their items, as well as screenshots detailing step by step methods and loots obtained?

It's not that I have a problem with it, it's that those two statements have nothing to do with each other and the second has nothing to do with your point. Here, let me give you an example. I have 50$ (the game). That's good. Every now and then I get an additional 5$ (the updates). I think that's good. Therefore, anything that increases the frequency of those 5$ payments is good, and anything that decreases them is bad. That good or bad has nothing whatsoever to do with the 50$; I could have 5,000,000 or $.02, and it wouldn't affect it. Therefore, if you think updates are good them more = better. How good the game currently is has nothing to do with it. I'm talking about physical man hours put into updates, not number or quality. If the frequency of updates increases it is assumed that there are proportionately more of every kind of update, good or bad; vice versa for the frequency being decreased. Sadly, those are from an older thread located at viewtopic.php?f=30&t=776192&p=6318456&hilit=+financial+reports#p6318456 I only wish I had assembled them myself. That being said, I usually use respected website to look for sources (Jagex.com has some great links, and anything related to UK businesses generally has good stuff.