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BGS was owning there for me. And warrior's effect is less then 1%, something you could tell even with hours of hits logged, much less just from watch.

It hasn't affected me any since I got used to it, either. Although it did make me cancel helping a friend out with their 99 cooking goal when it was first introduced. Oh well, I guess they've probably got it by now, anyway. You can still buy junk from him, but no, you can't give friends large sums of money easily. The only real change I can think of, and other then loaning items I can't think of many people who did that anyway.

Absolutely horrible idea. Hally has FAR worse stats and is SLOWER then a godsword - and a godsword is significantly inferior to whip + defender. Honestly, think things out yourself before hitting the post button -.-

Andrew already said they were working on it in the CC ages ago.

Could you outline why you want sitting? Also, bumping\spamming a thread when it's only a few posts down is against the rules.

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Start naming in-game activities, 'cause the only one I recall is the book. How else am I supposed to learn? Telling them that their healer or defender won't be doing anything all game isn't going to make them happy, and if I watch and listen I can generally figure it out without them finding out. I can see the whole arena from one spot, so I don't really get what your trying to say. But yes, I would stand their silent unless they yelled at me, in which case I'd ask what to do. Just like this guy.

Drop the argument that the value of XP cannot be determined. For that matter, the value of GP cannot be determined so any numbers related to profit should be ignored. After all, a level 3 thinks 1k is worth a lot more then a 138, right? :roll: Because the entire thread HAS to use the assumption that values are based on time to obtain. Otherwise any other rate is meaningless; if one person values oak planks above all else, are armored zombies statistically superior to every other form of training? Of course not, the only common variable is time. You specifically said (and your calculations showed) that a cannon was inefficient at 400k\h Because this isn't personal rates, this is what is generally obtained. Testing must indicate such. Gee, it might be a good idea to read through my posts then. It's not as I was ignoring combat training, now was I? :roll: And what does that have to do with your testing rates? I talk to friends when I'm not testing; how is that affecting my testing rates? OK, I'll begin assembling them. I'll re-create my excel spreadsheet with personal numbers. Just understand that I will not be including methods; they are in the original posts, and you can get find them along with calculations if you want to argue them. Do you see where he posted rates differing with mine? Real rates, not "lolz cannon is faster ur nub lulz". Please point them out if you did, cause otherwise he doesn't have a single rate of his own. I wasn't aware you could train melee with chinchompas, and slayer XP is what we're discussing. I believe you tested incorrectly or are simply lying, and I'm sure you think the same of me. Hence the debate. Gee, you think? It might be a good idea to read my posts. 5 minute test isn't going to be enough to overturn around 80 hours of cannon vs. melee, so I guess you'd better rethink that route. Never seen numbers from any other slayer, so you'll have to ask them to send me details of rates with and without, as well as specifics as to costs (prices change) and experience gained per skill plus statics like banking time.

Hi, I work for an ISP She could get high speed 768/128k DSL for 15.00-24.95 depending on her location; dont even need a phone line, you can get a dryloop/standalone dsl service. I know some of our DSL customers use DSL strictly for large emails and never browse the web - is it fair to them? Sure, most customers who don't go onto web pages say they dont want too or "are too stupid too". Their fault , not ours. She lives in a poorly-serviced area. The best dial up she can get is 22 KB\s, and even that's very spotty and disconnects every couple of minutes. DSL is out of the question; the two major providers (Earthlink\SBC Yahoo!) don't service her area, and satellite is very expensive (80+ a month) with slow speeds and very high latency. Cable is really her only option, and there's simply very little in the cheaper range that doesn't bundle unwanted services in with it. That being said, the problem is coming from the ISP itself. We're paying $50 a month for unlimited service. If one customer doesn't use it, the ISP says its their fault. But if one customer pulls a terabyte and costs then tens of thousands of times the infrastructure usage, they say it is the customer's fault, and they have to up the rates for everyone or begin tiering services. Yeah, I assumed most responses would be biased because of that on an online forum. I pull around 20-30 GB per month from a low-volume server, the occasional movie from Hulu, and mild TV streaming from NBC. It's within reason, but probably over the average.

Exactly. If your private chat is off or on friends, they can't PM you. It's that simple.

Yay, I agree with quel. There's simply no distinguishing factor that can be easily detected between a RWTer and a non-RWTer. Hence, EVERYONE has to be stopped from RWTing. And Jagex has done a great job - I honestly can't think of any situation where the trade limit has restricted me significantly lately.

Yeah? Jagex clearly stated that f2p deserves updates and f2p is not just a demo version of the game. P2P gets enough updates per month. Wow I had to state this 2-3 times. This is a balancing update of the triangle, that won't benefit f2p mage so greatly that all p2p mages just go and play f2p. Jagex seeks to attract f2p players to subscribe to p2p, and the best way is to entice them with incomplete spellbooks/armor types/etc so they will want to get p2p. Honestly, these snobby and selfish p2p players makes me sick. How the hell does the $5 you pay give you an opinion in what Jagex should update? You think they care about your freaking $5? Leave if you want, and I gurantee you, more people will surely take your place and Jagex will earn more. P.S. You blame f2p for lousy grammar and spelling in spam threads while you can't even spend some time improving yours. The usual marketing BS. FTP is a big hole into which Jagex pours money, in hopes that enough members will come crawling out to make up for it. They're a business, not a non-profit organization. Like most businesses, they concentrate on earning money so they can improve the game for their paying customers. Every dollar they spend on FTP is a dollar less for PTP - they will rarely deprive the group generating a profit just so the freeloaders get a better game.

So again, where are your numbers saying anything about a cannon? I haven't seen a single figure even remotely relating to efficiency calculations coming from you. Care to back up your 'facts', or are you simply spouting opinions? They all are relevant. For example, your tests for experience not differentiating between melee and range. Melee maxes out at 52-53k\h for max XP\h breaking even; range hits 165k. Melee XP is 3 times as valuble, and a cannon shifts the balance to range (and much less range at that). Very few high level players can obtain that from avansies, as many telling me I'm "wrong" (no, I'm not) show. There is no set amount for the value of experience, but in a debate you MUST use the most efficient method for obtaining it. You can't simply say "well there's no set value for anything so anyone who says they think slayer is best is right". Why is it so difficult for you to go back and read the thread? I've told you time and time again why I'm not going to simply list them here, so please stop parroting the same thing over and over. Your forcing me to do the same with asinine, repetitive arguments. I'm using 400k in my rates, period. I'm afraid you missed that ltitle part under my post. So trying to pretend that just because you can get X million per hour and therefore a cannon is more efficient for everyone is laughably absurd. Notice the key word: Combat Training. All combat rates except time can be equalized; subtract profit\loss, summoning XP, and your left with XP over time. No, you completely took my quote out of context. I was saying that my rates were from testing, so the argument that I "only" got 45k\h when casually slaying has nothing whatsoever to do with testing. Messaging them is an option. I'll see how easy it is to extricate every task from the posts and PM them to you. Please do me a favor and don't repost them here, dealing with flame wars isn't high on my list of things I like about TIF :evil: Again, go back and read my posts. I'm afraid you missed the point behind many of them, like the part where I didn't say that everyone agrees with my rates #-o Yeah, I'm afraid you really didn't read much of anything. I love the skill, it's one of my favorites, but it is not the fastest method to train combat - and that is something that can only be backed up using numerical facts like XP rates.

Rune hatchets *almost* as good ;) Barrows is a problem, though. I tried it a while back but eventually gave up :P

Ah, glad you clarified that. To whatever mod reads my report: He changed his post so it doesn't need to be moved any more. Sorry for wasting your time #-o Blogscape also covers stories, drop logs etc. etc. so if you do decide to update a post with information like that, I'd recommend Blogscape :P Also: Welcome to TIF :thumbsup:

Cool! Wish ya good luck :P This does, however, belong at viewforum.php?f=98. I'll report so it can be moved :

When it's 70 pages of insanity with rates mixed in with all sorts of side comments and arguments that completely detract from the discussion and serve no purpose but to frustrate the reader, yes. It would be a hell of a lot easier if the information was in one place. But really, it's your call -- if you don't want anyone to understand what the hell you're talking about because all the relevant information is lost in a sea of irrelevancy, go right ahead. Apparently you haven't bothered to read the first 40 pages. Really, just read my or ydraisel's posts - we both quote each other. There was a lot less flaming then is going on now, possibly because people were actually reading the whole thing. It seems to come in cycles, there's waves of stuipd posts that taper off to a relevant discussion, then reemerge later on. I think they feed off each other - if they see someone else posting their incorrect opinion, it encourages them to follow up on it and argue it without bothering to read the relevant posts.

And yet again, you completely overlook the point. Look, you want intelligent, informed debate? Make the information easy to find. You'll be doing the people here a favor and doing yourself a favor as well, since you'll have less drivel to read and a higher chance of someone actually reading the information you want discussed. Kind of a win-win, unless you like things being difficult for everyone (which I'm beginning to think is the case). You. Have. To. Read. The. Replies. To. Obtain. Details. Of. My. Rates. And. Methods. Along. With. Calculations. To. Prove. Those. Methods. The. Most. Efficient. What's so hard about that? Is it really that unreasonably to ask people to read responses to my thread before posting?

Its like this if you'resaying it like that, What's the advantage of being muted pernamently? There is no advantage, that's the whole point of a punishment. How does that answer my question? so we are being punished by jagex for something and thus not being able to sit in chairs is the punishment? :wall: Could you point out where I said that it had anything whatsoever to do with your suggestion? He made a post that didn't have anything at all to do with it, and I was simply asking why. I also have no idea and im trying to find out :D Then ask him, not me. I have no idea why. Could you outline why you want sitting, though?

Its like this if you'resaying it like that, What's the advantage of being muted pernamently? There is no advantage, that's the whole point of a punishment. How does that answer my question? so we are being punished by jagex for something and thus not being able to sit in chairs is the punishment? :wall: Could you point out where I said that it had anything whatsoever to do with your suggestion? He made a post that didn't have anything at all to do with it, and I was simply asking why.

Those aren't the rates being discussed, and they certainly aren't my rates as pertaining to this argument. The first 40-50 pages are dedicated to the rates in question, you should check it out.

Then PM an admin where it might do something instead of randomly posting it on this thread. I'd like to solve world hunger, but I don't post about it here.

*sigh* It's my idea of Tiptopia... Not to say younger users cant' contribute, that's why we have the forums open to all. But conversing with those younger then your children does get tiresome sometimes :lol:

Its like this if you'resaying it like that, What's the advantage of being muted pernamently? There is no advantage, that's the whole point of a punishment. How does that answer my question?

What's the advantage of sitting? How does that benefit clan socializing? And how does it differ from sitting in a POH?