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Your argument that I'm a laid-back, slow slayer as the reason for my numbers being different. And that has precisely what to do with who gets the goblin when two people are standing there waiting for a spawn?

Oh, so 60m an hour isn't good? If they don't have the patience for that, they should probably find another game. Just because you can't understand my point doesn't give you the right to flame me with asinine statements that don't even apply. Except that they could be making 3m an hour steadily. The people making 250k\hour have 10k trade limits, not 60k =D>

And what does that have too do with anything? More or less then you do currently. Ditto.

Good to know. It might come as a surprise to you, but 1,800 pages takes a bit of forum space to display =D> Then they shouldn't be trying to argue for or against said facts. Drop the "get a life", people are free to enjoy whatever they want. I do agree with you though, it's funner to train with variety then grind at one spot :P What? I responded to two separate posts on separate posts of my own to separate facts, it's within the rules so I'm assuming your trying to "insult" me with it as thusfar you haven't been able to come up with a "logic" argument.

The whole point of a Skill, is to work your way through and get the 99, thats what Runescape is all about really, because if there were no skills but monsters, Runescape would be boring.. Agreed. That's why I love slayer :P

Not very long. At 60m an hour, they won't spend very long before their bank account (or their parents) is dry. Hate to break it to you, but most people with all quests done can make more then 250k\h =D> Fine with me :P

So you don't enjoy updates, and no update has ever increased your enjoyment of the game. Sort of contrary to your previous posts, but as long as your sticking to it now it's fine with me. Good to know you FINALLY answered my question -.-

But it pits my view of my abilities against yours, and as it's me we're talking about, it clearly defines my position and overrides your secondhand viewpoint. Ever tried getting bandos KC? I'd advise trying it before you begin a debate about it. Since you obviously don't seem to know, we're talking about monsters with level 1 defence and 3-15 HP that are almost always 1 hit with 3-4 seconds spent waiting for a spawn between each kill.

Sure. Pages 7 to 36. They deal almost exclusively with my numbers and methods. Obviously you haven't bothered to read them or you would have known beforehand =D>

No, but it'd be worth it to spend 15 seconds losing a duel every 15 minutes for an average of 60,000,000 GP per hour. We're talking about people that can't make 250k per hour :roll: All I need to do is take the maximum mature post streak for, say, the past 2 months and compare it to several years ago. There's simply no comparison, whole threads used to go without the spam\flame we see nowdays. Like I said, I've spent hundreds of posts and months of debating with old-timers like Salim without a single insult having been thrown. See above. So what? I'm stating a personal opinion, that the Rants forum has gone downhill, and backing it up with facts (In this case, length between immature posts for a large period of time). As long as I'm not specifically tailoring it to suit my opinions, I can set requirements at whatever the hell I want. Nothing more to say about the topic. The bottom line is that we have the best possible system in place.

Yep, it's a factor in any RS discussion, but one that can be minimized by exact rates. It's very hard to give numbers that match up across all areas of slayer if your just pulling them out of your behind. All numbers and methods are detailed with efficiency calculations earlier in this thread. Argue with facts instead of throwing generic insults :roll:

Good call, I'm at 275 from WGS :-# It's cable linked to via gigabit ethernet, but it's a newly laid line and gets me crazy low lag time. Then I get 20 pages of idiots telling me that I should be using a cannon at Demons. Been there, done that. The posts have details on methods used for a reason. #-o And you can't prove any of yours either. Therefore, it is utterly impossible to have any discussion whatsoever as the other party could be making it up. It's probably a good idea not to try and post in this discussion if your operating under the assumption that all of us are pathological liars. Could you show me proof that higher stats result in faster reaction time for grabbing monsters, 'cause I'm really not buying it...

Hello, you were going a step beyond that. Read my posts.

Nope, but you specifically said you enjoyed them. Clear enough? Take a look at costs vs. advertising revenue. FTP costs dwarf the revenue; the more people who play FTP, the more money Jagex loses. Logic fail. The goal isn't to make people want to play FTP, it's to make them play PTP. Yes, reeling in players to FTP is important, but it works against them in the same manner - it'll drag down players who decide they don't need PTP or don't have to upgrade. The problem is that PTP while PTP makes a profit, FTP hemorrhages money and is subsidized almost exclusively by PTP. Typical marketing BS. Jagex is a company, they aren't out to make people feel good. Saying something like that puts them in a good light, but notice that they are registered as a for-profit corporation.

And that has precisely what to do with low level FTP mage? Gee, a level 35 spell is underpowered if you are 94 combat? Next they'll be saying that a bronze scimmy and level 15 strength is underpowered at level 124. Yay for TIF.

Duradel is the best for XP, period. Longer, harder tasks are better as less time is wasted obtaining them. And he's much easier to get to then Fairy rings; another important time factor. Yes, some are more enjoyable, but in the end it's raw efficiency we are arguing about. What are you talking about? All number from this thread have come from my fastest slaying times, and I'm one of the most efficient testers. I managed to obtain the second fastest (next to zarfot) abyss run I've seen from anyone, and my ZMI times are far above what I've seen from others; I beat Zarfot's best timing by 3 seconds for one of my full-banking runs. I have an ultra low lag internet connection (6ms ping time to a nearby server), a very high quality Logitech mouse at 2,000 DPI and very low lag time all adding up to very, very fast rates - my Avansie rates are as-yet unmatched by ANYONE, and I am very efficient at bandos KC - when fighting someone for KC, I generally beat them by at least 10-1. Basically, I'm not bragging, I'm just saying that when I test I am very, very fast and efficient. Yes, I enjoy laid-back slaying, but those numbers are not being used in the debate and therefore are irrelevant.

Even reading instructions really doesn't make it clear enough. Everyone's new at some point; when I first came to BA, I was a helpless newb. Same for GWD or any hard, first-time event. There's always going to be new people trying to learn the ropes.

What are you talking about? 1m an hour would have killed RWT? I'm sorry, but that's simply ludicrous. But the forum overall was more mature. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average I'm going to list all points relevant to my debate, regardless of how that makes you feel. You can take offense to me saying crime rates are higher in African-American neighborhoods, but I'm still going to use that as a relevant fact in a discussion. Point being? How does that affect the fact that 'average length to immature posts' was much greater several years ago? I haven't seen a single recent rants thread, and it's not as if I don't read most of them. Perhaps you could point one out for me.

Could you point out the line where I said that? I'll point out the line where I said quite the opposite, you even quoted it: "I enjoy updates more then I dislike them". In general, I enjoy updates more then I dislike them. Yeah, some inconvenience me, but the good ones more then balance it out, and in general I derive enjoyment from updates. Be back tomorrow to continue this.

That would quite effectively explain why we've been having communication problems :-w Are you talking about the limit itself, or that it was so low? I'll respond to both: Limit itself: Hellooo, welcome to RWT world. It was a choice of either change the gameplay of a very tiny fraction of their userbase or shut down the game. That it was so low: Very smart move. Even at 60k\h, the current max, a high level dueler would never find a max of 240k\h a decent income. Staking for money was completely killed irregardless of the limit, and they had to make sure no one was going to do the "limit every 15 minutes" type of trade. So what? I'm biased towards smart people, because I believe their responses are generally better thought out then the village idiot. You can't go calling every fact that points out some groups of people are different bad because it's "biased"; bias is bad when taken to extremes, but it's also a fact of life. Sorry, but you'll have to live with that. It's also condescending to say that Nigerians have a lower average income then USA households. I'm here to prove myself correct, not to make you feel good about yourself. You weren't an active poster. When your posts were count, not how long you've been lurking. So what? I'm saying that this discussion strayed to immature flaming in 45 posts, something the old TIF was able to manage for far longer. It's a fact, not an opinion, about a group of people. Time for bed, church tomorrow. I'll be on later to continue this.

It spans viewtopic.php?f=66&t=765267&start=1340 to present, I don't blame you a bit for not wanting to read it. I can only imagine how boring it must be to anyone other then me and ydraisle :lol: Been working on it, but I gotta go soon :lol:

But I enjoy debating more then play RS at the moment, so I'm making the choice to do this instead. Again, completely under my control. No, because the faster we go the more enjoyment we derive. I'm saying "I get more enjoyment from the game when there are more updates I enjoy". There is no logical way to disprove that, and it's a corollary to "Because I enjoy updates more then I dislike them, increasing update frequency means increase enjoyment". It's very simple and very indisputable logic.

Really? Someone must have hacked your account and posted it :| Start providing examples. Hindsight is 20\20; without impossibly long Q&A testing, some bugs simply cannot be spotted. See the DD on spam clicking the dance emote while attacking the KQ with a rubber chicken. http://www.runescape.com/kbase/viewarti ... cle_id=635 No, the simplest explanation is that clearly bad ideas were not thought to be so until a massive amount of gameplay time revealed a tiny flaw that no reasonable amount of Q&A could reveal. Take, for example, the recent Wildy bug: It took nearly 7 months of gameplay, at an average of 125,000 hours logged per physical hour - a total of 87,000,000 hours of gameplay - to reveal it. It was sealed by Jagex in a couple of hours. At the current minimum wage in the UK, it would take 739,500,000 USD to find that - and that's minimum wage, not skilled gaming professional wage.

Well under 10%, see my argument on 10% being the maximum variation over an hour period of time, and we should be obtaining much less then that as our numbers come from significantly over an hour. Also, your technically higher then 1337 already, as you used to mention in your sig the rollback stole posts. I lost over 850 posts, including one evening with a competition between me and Inushakent. I managed to get the 'last posted by' for every single thread on the front page of the H&A forum save one, and he constantly posted on one of them just as I was about to finish it off. The 1 minute limit killed me, it went on for almost a half hour until he finally had to leave :lol: :lol: :lol:

It's controlled by you? Go without sleep for two weeks. Go ahead, try it. That would reduce my enjoyment, further proving my point. It's currently controlled so that I obtain the optimum enjoyment from it overall, but reducing update frequency is dropping that.