compfreak847

Mine doesn't. $1050. Core 2 Duo OCed to 3.66, GTX 260 OCed, 8 GB OCZ Reaper @ 1066 Mhz, and I don't lag a bit. It's a 1000 dollar 6 month old computer, nothing close to top of the line.

@ Zero: It's really quite simple. No, they can't be as mature as adults. Shall I quote my study yet a third time? You have yet to come up with a page that conclusively proves 10 year olds brains are exactly identical to 30 year olds, despite decades of medical evidence to the contrary. I've been repeating it for pages now, and I really think you should get some evidence and or read my posts before yelling it again. I like arguing, but I don't like having posts copied and pasted again and again after I've responded to them a dozen times.

But magers want low HP...

Yep, that was in your perfect little world before Zuriel's staff crashed and made the cost irrelevant. Knock out the rangers attack speed, and watch him die. Nope. Do all of those have an 80%+ chance of hitting both specs? Hint: No. It's mages accuracy that make it overpowered. Come to think of it, I've NEVER been PJed when fighting with mage in my usual spots. It's very rare to see more then one person at a time. Again, your completely missing the point of what mage is. Armor provides the vast majority of the boost - you could introduce a powerful spell with -50 magic attack, and it would be horrendously overpowered. Don't try and use magic bonus to compensate for a staff, because the staff bonus is only a tiny part of overall magic accuracy. Your certainly welcome to do that. Unfortunately, Ad Hominem applies quite nicely in this situation - namely that I'm accusing you of knowing nothing about members because your FTP. Unfortunately, I'm also right. Your welcome to spout that all over tipit, I'm sure it will further help your cause. This argument isn't about if you can pay, it's about if you should be arguing PTP spells when your FTP. The answer, unfortunately, is NO. You've never tried anything your talking about. My "blind man choosing a room color' fits perfectly.

No, that is NOT what I disagreed with! Do I need to repeat it for you a few more times? Why are you so stubbornly trying to convince me of what I meant? Really, this is going around in circles. I've stated what I meant on this thread and moved on; if you continue to think I meant something else, your welcome to PM me, but don't keep posting the same thing over and over.

Nope. Shall I quote the study above again? I'm saying that it's slightly irritating that it took so long for you to get it through your head. Arguing about something scientific or math-based is something I enjoy; arguing about semantics not so much. Really, did you need to spend 3 pages of posts to figure out that I was talking about physical maturation?

Ok, thanks for pointing that out, even if it is almost exactly what I said a ways back. Why did you feel the need to quote my post when letting everyone know this? I already established that several pages ago, and it really wasn't necessary to repeat it.

Fishing/farming Inb4Slayer Fanatics, TRIAN SLAYER actually, rcing came first to mind. but i wouldn't find it difficult to continue with slayer. make great money and continue on to other skills. GO SUMMONING GO SUMMONING SO GUMMONING (yeah, I actually typed that. I hate dislexia). Unspamify: [hide=][/hide] Demon head at 84 slayer. Some sort of a record?

Sorry, zero, I overlooked your post. I'll respond to it first: Err... Where did I say I was angry? I'm sarcastic, but that certainly doesn't mean I'm angry. I love debating. No, all your doing is making up points that I never made. I didn't say all children are immature, or that all children will make immature threads. How many times must I say that for you to get it? You may think it's stuipd, but it's true. Your welcome to argue against stuipd. If your not arguing that children don't make these threads, then your arguing against someone other them me - that's ALL I've said. If by "ageist" you mean "someone who thinks childrens brains are less mature then adults", you are correct. Unfortunately for you, the entire field of science and medicine appears to agree with me. Now, back to the latest post: Fair point in this case, but we all do it. The key is minimizing it :P Soo, I'm going to get this straight before going against it. Your saying a 10 year old child's brain is as mature and developed as a 30 year olds? Yeah, I do. And so does Wikipedia. I'll await your response to my above statement before attacking it directly. You know, it'd be nice to get a doctor in here. Then we could gain some insight and finally get the "yes\no" answer you so elusively peruse to the age old question of "is there any difference between a 10 year olds brain and a 30 year olds". I'm afraid NIMH is against you, though. I quote: "the UCLA researchers compared MRI scans of young adults, 23-30, with those of teens, 12-16.4 They looked for signs of myelin, which would imply more mature, efficient connections, within gray matter. As expected, areas of the frontal lobe showed the largest differences between young adults and teens. This increased myelination in the adult frontal cortex likely relates to the maturation of cognitive processing and other "executive" functions." Source: http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/teenage-brain-a-work-in-progress-fact-sheet/index.shtml Feel free to respond with a source of your choice proving a 10 year olds brain is identical to a 30 year olds. We can turn this into a medical debate, I always liked development and growth. I wish we had some certified doctors here on TIF, but I guess professional opinions through web sites will have to suffice. I'll wait until confirmation you really believe there is no difference before a full attack, though.

Issue 1: Then why are you suggesting new weapons without a nerf? If your agreeing that magic is overpowered, why are you helping it become more so? That wasn't really the point I was arguing, though. I'll change it into another one. How do you know anything at all about high level magic? Issue 2: Really. You know, we happen to be arguing about someone who ALREADY has the stats for bandos, so that argument sort of flies out the proverbial window. That being said, I'm not sure how many high levels I know that are too stuipd to be aware of the existence of GWD. I know quite a few FTPers like that, but no PTPers. Somehow I'm making a connection. Issue 3: Actually, I included everything. I suggest you read my post over a few times. I'd rely on your numbers for them but.. your FTP, you don't have the quests done, and you don't have the magic level. Never mind. Issue 4: The mage would win, EASILY. You are NOT getting this. My level 99 mage will take out a maxed player EASILY. Did you accidentally skip over that part? A 70-70 pure is a joke. Mage ALWAYS wins. Then again, how would you know? Issue 5: So your saying "I can't logically argue against you, but... Not everyone in RS has 99 mage! Therefore, it is impossible for anyone to get 99! Never mind that almost 30,000 people have maxed it out! Here's an idea. Counter the method, and don't try to pull arguments about the 'average RS player'. How easy is it going to be for your 'average joe' to get an AGS? Oh wait, about as easy as 99 mage. For that matter, why isn't everyone, including you, maxed melee? Yep. Vastly overpowered special (I get 78 damage, basically guaranteed, from a distance? Yes, plz!) makes this even more overpowered, and I switch right back to my ancient staff once my combo is casted. Really, I'd suggest working on a better example. Your quite welcome to propose all the non-PVP you want, I really couldn't care less about what you suggest on them. Alright. Get back to me when you have one of those examples. How many mith javelins do you use in a day? Yeah, that's my point.

Good to know. Thanks for the info, I'll remember it. Now, as I was saying, why are all wildy rants written by children? We appear a slight confusion about sentence order. I don't think saying all children write wildy rants was entirely the point of my original statement.

Anyone else want to argue that spammy wilderness posts are written by adults, not children? It was my original point, but we got a bit sidetracked, so to speak.

Give me a break. These aren't unexplored things that no one else has done - it's a simple matter of investing time. The time to max out is unbelievable - interviews with top players like Zezima and N0valyfe reveal they play 10+ hours a day, 7 days a week, for years on end. A high level in RS requires absolutely nothing besides time. Unfortunately, you don't level because of hope, vision, time, or glory. You level because you spent the 500 hours cutting logs into bows or crafting runes, doing the exact same thing hundreds of thousands of times. Point being: It's time that determines your levels, not your vision or hope.

No idea. It might. Feel free to PM me if you'd like a discussion on maturity versus posts. Now, as I was saying, threads like this are made by immature children, not mature adults. Any other takers?

Sooo... You were unlucky and lost something from a random event? I think that belongs under http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=592018, or else we'll have to have tripsis in here for another sticky. Also, it's not like you missed out on much. The same thing as if you had killed someone with 25k. It's more of a 'lucky' story for the guy who DIDN'T die.

You know, your post would be a LOT more convincing if you had ever tried what you were talking about. Since you have a habit of completely ignoring my previous posts and tossing around arguments about me instead of my posts? Issue 1: You. Yeah, this sounds stuipd, but your the one ranting about it. For starters, your FTP. Next, you have level 1 theving, so don't try and pull the 'I used to be PTP' argument. Third, you have level 78 magic. Repeat after me: I have never casted a single ancient magicks spell in my life. Your formulating detailed arguments about hitting methods and various tactics used by high level PTP mages. Your arguing about the effectiveness of barrage spells that your millions of XP and $5 away from trying. Just answer me this: how do you know PTP mage is underpowered? Once you answer that, we can resolve a few things. Issue 2: Cost, Part 1. You like to talk about me tossing around 400m. Since your FTP, I'll explain a few things about member that you missed the memo about. A week and a half ago my bank value was, oh, about 4 and a half million. Right now it's around 120m and rising fast, and I really don't play or try to earn money much. It is very, very easy to make money in PTP. Issue 3: Cost, Part 2. Magic is not the expensive, all consuming skill you seem to belive it is. I'm going to use bandos soloing as an example, but I could just as easily use DKS, Avansies, Team GWD, or any of the other half-dozen ways PTPers can use to make money. Bandos soloing isn't very risky, just eat when your HP drops 20 below your max, and it's cheap to do with basic equipment and little value being risked. Yet it rakes in over 2,000,000 GP per hour. I know it's difficult for you to understand at FTP, where 100k\h is considered 'good', but it's the facts. Now, let's compare it to magic. The average blood barrage spell is going to cost 2.55k, and deal 13 damage with missing factored in. For a 90 HP player, it's going to take 7 casts to take down his initial HP - a cost of 18k for a non-food kill. Now, let's add food. Assume sharks, going with 20 for space for prayer pots + teles + super sets. That's 20 X 20 = 400 HP, 31 casts of blood barrage, 79k. Add that to the first 18k cost, and we get a total of under 100k for a complete kill with all food eaten, with the most expensive spell. How long is that going to take to earn? Well, at 2m per hour, that's a grand total of 3 minutes to earn the money for a COMPLETE PK, assuming the PKed doesn't tele. Do you know how long it takes to find a good fight far away from a PK hotspot, much less then 2.5 minute fighting time? A maxed tank is going to be spending much, much more time PKing then earning money for runes with mage PKing, and therefore, cost is essentially irrelevant. Issue 4. Levels, Part 1. You seem to be suffering from the hallucination that 100 combat is an impossibly high goal for a member to obtain. I'll go into more on that later, but first I'll dissolve the myth of lower levels. Please do me a favor and look at this page: http://runescape.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_magicks. Scroll down to the spell book. Do you notice something unusual? Yeah, I did too. All of the spells in the ancient magicks spell book scale down in every way - level is always proportionate to combat, so the argument that you have to be 99 mage to use my techniques is laughably absurd Issue 5. Levels, Part 2. Now, onto the XP myth. Miasmic blitz has the same effect as barrage, so for the lowest level possible we top out at Blood Barrage, level 92, roughly 6,500,000 XP. Now, ice bursting rock lobsters is the most efficient source of charms. Summoning is an integral part of RS, and any type of player would find it invaluable to training. Now that its effect on combat levels in PVP combat level has been removed, any type of PKer will also find this skill unbelievably handy. Given that bursting lobsters for charms is the most efficient method of obtaining charms, efficiency calculations would render the loss sustained positive - your earning money in the form of time by using it over other combat methods. For the sake of simplicity, we'll leave it at free. That leaves us with one thing - 170k mage XP\h, FREE. In other words, training to the mage level required for complete use of the tactics I described requires 38 hours of training. 38 hours. Do you know how long it takes to earn ONE of the all-powerful godswords you've described? The best methods place the estimate around 32-34 hours, and as an item, it can be lost easily. In other words, it requires roughly the same amount of work to obtain one of your godswords as it does to obtain my 'impossibly high' magic level. Now, in response to your original post. What are you planning on for a suggestion? We've already established that magic is vastly overpowered, and you either refuse to or cannot come up with a reasonable rebuttal. Yet you are completely refusing to allow it to be nerfed. That leaves two alternatives: #1: Throw in a staff or spell BETTER then the current ones. This will further imbalance magic spells, further wreck the combat system, and make mages like me decimate other combat styles more completely. #2: Throw in a staff or spell WORSE then the current ones. No one uses it. The end. Period. Don't try to use the argument of adding a new staff that's 'only useful in certain situations' or 'certain times' or 'with a special attack that does blah blah blah'. It boils down to the two options I mentioned, no matter how limited it is. It's either superior to current equipment, further imbalancing magic, or it is inferior and is never touched. Period. Now, since you seem to have a hard time remembering to respond to the points in my post, I've nicely bolded them for you. I'm going to list them here for your convenience to help you remember to respond to them. Issue 1, You: How do you know PTP mage is underpowered? Issue 2, Cost: Part 1: It is very, very easy to make money in PTP. Issue 3, Cost: Part 2: A maxed tank is going to be spending much, much more time PKing then earning money for runes with mage PKing, and therefore, cost is essentially irrelevant. Issue 4, Levels: Part 1: All of the spells in the ancient magicks spell book scale down in every way - level is always proportionate to combat, so the argument that you have to be 99 mage to use my techniques is laughably absurd. Issue 4, Levels: Part 2: It requires roughly the same amount of work to obtain one of your godswords as it does to obtain my 'impossibly high' magic level. There you go. Respond to each of those issues. And remember, don't just respond to the particular sentence I posted - I expect a point by point argument against each of my proofs behind the statements. They are summarys, not arguments in and of themselves. I'm interested to hear your response. I'm sure it'll raise a whole new set of interesting and arguable points. Just don't pull a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem/.

Your being far too general. I'm referring specifically to this type of thread, which an adult WOULD NOT post. No, I am not. Ok, look. I'm not sure why your trying to pit my words against each other or convince me of what my opinion is, but my entire point thus far has been this: Threads like this are made by children, not adults. This is an indisputable fact, and you yourself have said so. Perhaps you should be more clear in what part of that statement your arguing against. Your jumping in the middle of the thread, taking my quotes out of context and raising issues already settled. I don't spell out every single thing I'm referring to in each of my posts, they build on each other. If you read ALL of my previous posts, you would get a better understanding of my stance. Since you obviously haven't and won't, I'm spelling it out for you. I'll repeat it again for your sake. If you want to argue, argue against that statement, which has been my sole point thus far in the thread. Threads like this are made by children, not adults.

That plus the total levels argument for slayer is pointless. Ignore it unless you seriously plan on maxing out, which virtually no one does.

How many pages did it take you to realize this? It's nice to know you've finally read a post in the past few months. I'm glad you now know the cost of blood barrage. Now, as I said a few months ago, it is expensive as a balance against its insanely overpowered spells. Remove the cost, and it's even more overpowered. You know, the farther we take this the more I feel as if I'm arguing with a blind man about a color scheme. It would *probably* be best if you thought about trying something before making long-winded rants about it. I mean, really? How do you completely overlook the cost per hour of Zuriel staff? It's like pretending that a whip costs 40m and then using that in an argument against melee :-#

And it is, just backing it up. You seem to be confused about my point. I'll repeat it for your benefit. Wilderness rants are created by children who aren't mature enough to see the long term consequences and reasoning behind the updates. Again, feel free to point out where I said that. Now, what I HAVE said is that some children with underdeveloped brains don't make sensible decisions. Again, I was referring to his (improper) use of 'sensible' as related to maturity. Replace the word 'sensible' with 'mature'; that's what I did when responding.

Could you do me a favor and PLEASE recall the half-dozen times I've mentioned this staff? Guess what: You don't have to use the spell the entire time! I cast the spell once, then switch to ancient staff. Oh, and last I checked (722.1/3600) X 1.5 = 300 GP. Three hundred GP. Ya know, if you can't afford 300 GP per fight, you probably shouldn't be spending 3k per cast on blood barrage. Any other argument I've already covered 2 months ago in your very first thread? =D>

Nope, but shortsightedness and inability to see beyond ones own desires plus lack of long term consequences is. Yep, but it doesn't change my point. That's nice to know. Could you point out the line where I said eveyone under 25 hates the wildy update? There is more then one definition of maturity. I'm including frontal lobes, the key component to cognitive maturity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontal_lobe), in my observations.

Nope, but in a decade or so when he turns 20, I'll bet he'll have changed sometime inbetween. Nope. Anyone who fills a forum with spammy, unreadable threads protesting the wilderness removal is probably under 25. Comprende? People have a hard time realizing that RS would not exist with RWT. It was that or credit card payment, which meant the game - they would have lost most of their customer base.

Because you overlooked the line where I referred to maturity. Intelligence and maturity are related, not hardwired to each other. Yes, there are smart kids out there that act mature for their age. No, their brains aren't fully developed, and no, the adults aren't out ranting about the wildreness.

What a joke. Ever tried fighting melee 1 v 1 with a mage? I do it all the time in clan wars. Miasmic barrage, two shadow barrages, a smoke barrage, and then autocasted blood barrage. I heal more then they hit in ANY gear. Oh, and did I mention I'm fighting level 130+s, several dozen combat levels higher then my mage\defence\prayer? Farcasting is just another example of how laughably overpowered mage is. If one combat style can take down another 30 levels higher then it without even utilizing most of its advantages while out-hitting the higher level at least 3 to 1, it's a sign of overpoweredness. To put it into comparison, it's a level 60 pure with completely decimating a maxed tank ranger while using his fist instead of a weapon. Really, certain people around here need to think about casting a few spells before deriding them.