compfreak847

Really? I wasn't aware that my slayer level impacted my ability to kill any of the tasks you mentioned. I assume, of course, that you have dozens of hours with the wolpertingers and geyser titans of which you speak, and compared then accurately to your unicorn? 'Cause if not, you really shouldn't be talking about any of them.

Wow. Very, very nice. I wouldn't mind giving them some feedback of my own :lol:

Black demons - Never said anything about not using piety, and in the enclosed space your never gonna manuvre a familiar for much of a bonus Dust devils: "much faster"? You obviously haven't tried any of the summons your talking about. It IS pain in the butt to call your summon several times in every kill Spectres: Both count in efficiency calculations. 10+ rannars outdo the (MAX) 4-5k XP boost of a combat familiar on these fast, low HP spread out cannoned monsters Gargoyles: As if a Excalibur could keep up. Even with MY stats that's a joke, unicorn's 21hp\minutes falls behind at times. Fire giants: Lol, ever tried what your preaching? With the running around and ultra-fast piety kills, you don't have a spare fire giant to hang around and have killed.

Black demons? Eww, I'll take my unicorn and no prayer any day. Dust devils mentioned earlier, a pain in the behind to do without a healer. Spectres are MUCH better served with a macaw. I can't even imagine garogyles without a unicorn, and using a large combat summon there is a nightmare. Fire giants are another mentioned task, possible but much more of a pain without a healer thanks to their low HP. Dust devils are nowhere near the XP, that 20% boost from salve amy, 200k profit from zombies, and at best mediocre charms gives dust devils a big thumbs down.

I'm still waiting for the tasks you believe that combat familiars are so useful at...

Charms don't "help buffer the cost", they "make bursting the most efficient method in Runescape for obtaining charms". See some other threads for the lengthy calculations me and Kent used to finish this. Your trying to say that AFKability makes melee's 1/3rd XP compared to magic "basically the same". By that logic, slayer sucks supremely when compared to AFK zombies. A combat familiar is a very bad idea at almost all tasks. Here's the only ones it can be reasonably used on: Bloodveld (Only if your killing mutated bloodvelds, where it will be vastly outshone by your cannon) Dagannoth (These tasks are pathetically short with a cannon. Your summon won't do much of anything) Fire giant (Harder and slower without a healer, not recommended. Ditto for dusties) Kalphite (Short task with a cannon, more difficult without a healer. Low HP and fast kills, combat familiar probably won't make a noticeable difference in XP besides converting much more valuable melee XP to mage. Not recommended.) Yeah, that's it. I'm coming up with a total of 2 tasks where a combat familiar will really make a difference, and both of them are short cannon tasks. Not quite this magical number you can tack onto the end of your XP rates? My numbers come from, as usual, extensive testing. And I'm surprised that Kent's numbers are that out of line, he tends to use my or others numbers instead of testing for the XP rates. At any rate, they certainly aren't specifically for slayer monsters.

Mage need a massive nerf before anything like that could EVER happen. The power it wields over other combat classes is decidedly un-triangleish. See the thread in rants (http://forum.tip.it/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=772713) for more information. It's massive max hit (highest non spec of any combat style at its level) combined with insane accuracy, huge melee defence (maintaining 300+ slash defence while getting a huge mage bonus? Unfair, please?) and vast array of special effects (yes I will bind my enemies, poison them, lower their attack, halve their attack speed, and then heal off them a few rounds all before they can even touch me while dealing massive damage?) make it the most insanely overpowered type of 'combat' RS has ever known. Oh, and don't spout the baloney of "number of weapons". FTP melee has one weapon, rune scimmy. PTP melee has two weapons - whip for non spec, dragon claws for spec. Mage has HOW many useful spells in the regular spell book alone? And let's not start on the massive array of Ancient Magicks, Jagex having made every type of spell highly useful in almost every combat situation. I get the feeling that someone at Jagex towers hates magic.

OK, not emo. Somehow I knew I'd get into this debate :? Leave it at dark and foreboding. I like cheerful, clouds and sunshine. Your continuing to fail to grasp the concept. An avatar isn't an image, it's a person, idea, or object that represents you and what you stand for. A square of #FFFFFF doesn't cut it. Oh, and 6/10. Not bad.

Expensive? Nope, we already agreed that charms negotiated the cost. So, it boils down to this: 50k XP Semi-Afkable (still have to pick up drops etc.) 180k XP Non-Afkable What I find ironic is that you used to argue that slayer's not being AFKable wasn't an issue - after all, weren't we playing the game, not letting it run in the background? Lobsters require far less attention then efficient slaying. Oh, and you still haven't quite grasped the whole 'can't use fighting familiars 100% of the time' issue. Plus a wolpertinger is around 10k XP\h boost, and a fire titan less then 4k on a fast-kill slayer task. Then again, you've never even tried either summon, so somehow I'm not surprised :roll:

I'm sorry, but your not getting it. Melee is 50k XP per hour. Charms make up for the cost of bursting, and magic is 180k XP per hour. There's really no comparison whatsoever, it's not as if they're 'similar'; mage is 3x as easy to train as melee, and the XP is consequently 3x less valuable. Magic XP is worth much less then melee, as melee is the hardest skill to train. Most, if not all slayer tasks require a healer, BOB, or other summon as much or more then wolpertinger; and with slayer, 92 summoning will only come at the last few slayer levels. You can't just magically throw in 15k XP\h from summoning.

low xp? You dont get more than 60k xp per hour at ape atoll if the xp rates he tell are right. Sometimes no words are needed.

Meh, the incredible hassle of wielding a monkey staff isn't really a huge deal to me. I don't like the high fail rate and low XP.

Actually, any landscape counts as 'great' for range. Melee demands a flat treeless plain. Pjers are a problem with any combat style, it aint unique to range. Oh, and they don't royally stink, you just have to have a range level equal to your combat - something most 'range suckzorz' people fail to comprehend.

The problem is that melee has 2 skills; its XP is halved. Mage also has the advantage of the best mage training method being the best charms gathering method - the charms almost nullify the cost of 180k+ XP\h of lobster bursting, whereas melee can barely break 50k\h.

Why are you comparing a level 35 mage to meleers with 100+ combat? Mage is losing at that level? No, really! Let's pit a maxed range tank against a 59 range, 1 defence pure and see who comes out on top. People seem to have a hard time with combat levels.

Magic XP is worth much less then melee, as melee is the hardest skill to train. Most, if not all slayer tasks require a healer, BOB, or other summon as much or more then wolpertinger; and with slayer, 92 summoning will only come at the last few slayer levels. You can't just magically throw in 15k XP\h from summoning.

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A white square does not represent 'you'. Stop pretending you have an avatar, spamming the rating avatars thread is just stupid. Sorry, can't rate it, there's no avatar.

i have done 400 runs...12 items... 450 runs... 130 run dry streak... 43 items... 30m profit in 3 days... I have weird barrows luck

Ehh, it's annoying, but it mostly happens with good tasks for me. I don't really mind.

1.5 hour trip. I lobe abyssals

People are stupid. Honestly, don't be an idiot and you won't get "hacked". Don't use your dogs name as a password. Run an AV scanner. Don't tell your friends your password. Whee, you've just subverted the evil hackers.

He's already convinced. Jagex hates melee. Next, please \

Mage gets its accuracy boosted, melee has separate skills. A mage damage boost would be nice, I guess.

It's all about the total training time :P So yeah, melee is weaker and harder to train with fewer real updates... I've managed to successfully convert the OP on every single one of his points. In only 22 pages :lol: