Bobbington

As you where playing from the same IP, I asume you where playing from the same computer..... and so had to drop trade between the two accounts? If so can you imagin how that looks? An autoing account drops 3k essence, logs out, then you log in form the same IP and pick them up. Would look more than a bit dodgy to me.

You see it's exactly my point, two people have attempted to take your account based totaly on the fact you have published you details! I dont find this good enough, you where not caught out, and that it excelent...... but you would be suprised with how many do fall into the trap. Surley a few moments extra work if you wisht to contact sombody outside of the many ways tip.it and runescape already offer in return for creater community protection is a good thing? Sure it will inconvenience a few people...... but when you look at the balance there ar emore positive effects than negative.

To be honest with you.... I don't feel I am beeing over protective! I have evidance that i cant share for confidentiality reasons that the button does pose a real danger. Password scams no longer work, people are far to aware of them, and they get censored anyway.... But the reason accounts get Hijacked it nearly totaly releated to hack sites, and email scams (including messenger conversations). The option for MSN is also used widly by real world traders.... they dont say "add me inagme" as they account will likly be banned, but they user messengers like MSN and to a smaller extent Yahoo to set up real world trading deals. Again I state I think it is an over reaction to stop MSN communication in *this* community, and I am not asking for that. However atleast through the PM system there are ways to moniter who can contact who, which would be usefull for safty and admin reasons. The simple way of putting it is to say: Are you happy that acoount hijackers have acsess to your email adress, and thus other personal infomation?

If you want my compleat frank position..... I dont care much about the people with the low account security who lose their accounts...... but I know for experiance that it is not jsut those who are 'hacked' who are hurt. These account on a regular basis attack and damage other community members, it is not just the hacked account who is in danger.

I agree to some extent what Cruiser is saying, but I just feel the existance of the button makes it a darn site easier. Not only in psychological terms it removes the "hacker" from having to deal with a human, but it would also vastly reduce the number of people targeted. I am aware of the fact that no matter what any of us do, we are not ever going to stop this problem, but surely where sensibly easy we should make improvments? As to what Mercifull said I disagree, I have seen you areound quit alot, and would assume is sombody added you to messanger, if you did not know them you would not allow them..... simple as. HOWEVER you must remember a large quantity of our players fall in the 13-15 age catogory. Now not all of them, but a large enough quantity do not understand the dangers of the internet, they want to make some new friends and they will talk to, open emails from, or follow links from anybody. It is the same group who are most likly to fill out every field they can in the user pofile section...... I must admit even I dont like leaving empty fields! I can assue you there is no way I will never fall for an email scam...... know why? The scammers dont know my email address!, and they never will.... I would be interested to know if any of you people with MSN (or any other messanger) have ever been sent fake emails? I am sure not all of you have, but alot more people that those who dont have it. I say again though, I dont want to censor the community, thats not what this is about..... BUT I wish to see people being in full control, dont make it so east.

It's a good point..... that only the hackers know about :P It's worth remembering that most "hackers" aint no hackers..... they have got a premade virus/kelogger that they follow a set of instructions and spread under their own control. Most hackers seem to be init for the progression of their own personal account, although there are some real world traders too. They can get over ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã1000, or about $1500 for a party hat..... But it sadly is a very common problem especially with hack sites and emails. Jagex have reported Billions in rune gold that has been seased from accounts connected with 'hacking' it's not a small problem.

Jagex rules are followed to the most logical extent they can be on this site and forum. However, you have to be careful how far you extend this way of thinking. You can't provide URLs or encourage people to go to websites in game but that's completely ridiculous and impractical to consider enforcing here. As long as adequate steps are taken to warn users of potential dangers, you have to realize you can't protect people 100%. I fully agree with you here. I remember the time where the personal infomation rule was not around on the runescape game. It was howeever "advided" that infomation should not be shared. As such I have always recognised the personal infomation rule as a very important rule, but at the end of the day it's the players responsiblity. If I see a player in public chat ingame asking for or giving personal infomation I will report them 100% of the time, they need a warning for Jagex and are putting them selves at risk. However I have always realised the fact that alot of long term player wish to talk to their long term friends outside fo the game, and fully understant (whilt weary of) peopel sharing infomation. I personally see it as the same case here, if sombody PM's on Tip.it asking for my email address I will not give it..... even if they are a 10k+ post player who has thus clearly proved him self to be a member of the comminity, I still dont know them enough to trust them. I have NEVER given out personal infomation ingame, or asked for it, although I have ended up with some people messenger (all Pmods and Fmods except 3). The fact is if infomation is fully public it's dangerous. In terms of web site names, on tip.it they are safer than on the game of RoF, hackers often target the players on the offical forums as they have a huge amount of views and on adverage the users are less web safe. On tip it, links are still a danger, but I feel with this more mature community it's not so bad. Most tip.iters will recognise that: http://www._____RuneGold.com is a link they should not click. And most player wont click a link for a player with under 10 posts..... they just have more sence. I have alot of respect for tip.it on how they do hold up the game rules in all but a few small cases, but as said..... there is a limit to whats sensible. One of the drawing features to tip.it is the extra freedome which just cannot be safly offered on the offical forums.

In relpy to skatedog111: Ok I shall take you as an example. You have all of your contact details avalible: I can click on a link and find your adress for MSN as "inko****@hotmail.com" (self edited as it's personal infomation) so, I have you email address! Looking at the high scores I can say.... yer thats quite a good account I bet you have some good items!..... now I want to have you account! I will take a pot luck that you although are an experianced player, you dont have the best web security. you see a link and want to click it!.... I am not saying you personally would but I know from a fact on the offical forums.... alot of people DO follow links. So I set up a new email account: [email protected]. I will now send you an email: Dead Inkofdeath, Recently a team of our moderators have been watching your inagme activity and am extreamly impressed with your attitude and behaviour ingame. I wish to offer you this opertuinity to join our player moderator team. If you wish to except this offer please follow the link below, and we will do the rest. http://www.runescape.com/moderator_apli ... Inkofdeath Thanks, Jagex moderator team. _____ You click the link.... not realisng that the link has been altered so it does not send you to a jagex site. The have use a programe that records the secure log in animation, and you sign in. You have lost you account! if you have not signed in they might have sent you a key logger anyway. If they have your email adress they can have pretty much anything, even if you dont press any buttons.... depends how good they are. ...... Another problem: Each address is stored on a page, I belive there are programs that trawl sites looking for addresses to send messages to. If I was a runescape accoutn hijacker, I would trawl tip.it It would give me a list of every email address assosiated with accounts on the forums.... IF they have entered that infomation. If infomation is only transfered by PM the risk is masivly less. ------ Websites are also dangerous, once a Jmod let persnal infomation leak to me, very small and insignificant infomation that he probaly did not think twice of. It would nto even be classed as personal infomation. With thsi one thing I managed to find email addresses, home adresses phone numbers, photos, infomation about other Jmods, and all their infomation. If I wanted to I could abuse that infomation, and attack him and the rest of Jagex personally. Luckily I refuse to ever tell anybody the infomation, and I am a nice guy and wont use/look at this infomation. although i did warn him about what he said. The internet is a dangerous place.... evey bit of infomation you give is dangerous. ----- You are right though, if a player freely puts his infomation up, it his is own fault if somthing goes wrong...... BUT that does not mean Tip.it doesnt have a social responsiblity to protect it's community. ALOT of people are un aware of how much danger there is in somthing as simple as a email.... and I hope a few peoepl will be shocked by what can happen.

Currently Tip.it forum users have the ability to add their MSN contact details so it will appear as a button next to the "PM" and "profile" buttons. Whilst I fully understand that some people wish to share their contact infomation I feel that sadly there is not enough security behind it, and it places some players in risk. With the typical age group that Runescape attracts, a large amount of players are new to the MMORPG world, and so as such probaly have a lower understanding of web security that players of games such as WoW which attracts an older more experianced player. Often when reading through the forums we get messages such as "I've been hacked", and there is currently a topic around where sombody have been aproached via MSN and has had their MSN account stolen. The intresting fact is the majority of people who claim this also have their messenger details at the bottom of their accounts. From the aspect of community protection I would recomend the removal of using this feature, as it offers alot of accoutn and real life dangers. As I said though I understant that alot of players wish to share their details with friends, and trusted players and for this reason I am not recomending a ruling against this activity, but in my opinion this should only be done via a private message where both parties are aware of the details transfer. I feel that sadly although there are alot of responsible players who have the MSN button compleated, there is a notible percentage of players who are un aware of the basicas of web security who use the Tip.it forums. Summary -Remove the option of MSN adress from our user profile -Allowing people to continue sharing info with those they trust via PM -Protect the community from hackers, scammers, and preditors whilst maintaing freedom From working on the offical forums I am witness to the dangers that people can do with victims of hacked accounts, it's not nice and sadly I feel the option of this button adds to the issue. This forum system is not used by only people like us, it is open to alot of forum operators and the feature can have a posertive effect in some situations, but I feel a runescape ralated forum is not appopreate. If not removal of the button, atleast provide greater warninsg to player about the dangers of it.

Thats quite an imature way of thinking. Lets look at an example of my frined who works in a chineese takeaway (he is indeed from china), witht he state of drunk people rasist comments towards him are quiet common, he have probaly heard every offencive statment that you could make. Just becase he knows of an offensive word or phrase does not make it non offensive. Jagex has a responsiblity to protect the player base, and censorship from offence is an important factor of that. Nobody should have to be exposed to offencive language. We are on an online community, every word we write we made a consious desission to write. There is no reason why anybody should feel a need to write bad language, whilts in real life worlds can slip, it is just not nessasary in written form.

I was always a fan of the rune battle axe back in F2P, although the scimmy seems the most popular choice.

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they do have to make profit.... at the end of the day stores such as game station do have alot of costs to cope with. However I do feel they are paying too little, not so mcuh that they are worth more, but at the cost they are paying I would prefer to keep them.

Would I be correct with the number of views with no posts means peopel like me can't see the image? Sorry I can see it... but the stock image is very nice.

Very nice! although you need to find a way to make it 16kb smaller :(

Everything in life helps us to learn from the future, that is the power of the human mind! However I refuse to think scammers should be singled out as doing good...... yes they do.... but thats only becase they are part of life. They are not a special case and deserve no thanks.

It's the same Xp as you get from standard smelthing too.

* points at my post* I think lumby is better..... closer to the bank

1 salt ber slug.... use it on them when they are at low health (under 10hp) (new question) lumby is better in my opinion.

Dragn chains dont half look rubbish on the ground....... Great set of drops though!

Lol... I actually find that argument funny since we at no point elect a leader in this country. The party who has the most confidence of the House of Commons elects their own leader, and then (s)he becomes Prime Minister, not the other way round. I think he's talking in regards to the lack of a leadership race and/or vote for the Labour party. [/hide] The Labour Party had a leadership contest... no-one else was strong enough to run against Brown. I don't really see a problem with that, unfortunetely the Daily Mail does, but I didn't see them complaining when Tory Prime Ministers have come into power in a similar fashion. What is that that the Daily mail doesnt have a problem with! :P

If you what an honest opinion.... they are not worth killing. Apart from one friend who got granit legs after 10 kills..... eveybody eles I know took 1000's of kills. Other than legs their drops are pretty poor. And the are is very dangerous. They cost alot more to kill than you get back in drops, and they are slow training xp. Only kill them if you really want too. Sorry for beeing so negative :uhh:

Lol... I actually find that argument funny since we at no point elect a leader in this country. The party who has the most confidence of the House of Commons elects their own leader, and then (s)he becomes Prime Minister, not the other way round. I think he's talking in regards to the lack of a leadership race and/or vote for the Labour party. Also no matter what we are meant to do a large percentage of peopel vote for who they want to be prime minister and not who they actually want to elect...... to a certain extent I put though into that side of it too. Anybody even noticed the Monster raving luney party have some actual good polocies? :P

I remember when they where 5k.... that was over two years ago now. The main thing that has increased it is the number of updates we have been getting where people use prayer. Barrows was one of the bigges ones, was was fight caves.

Not even that squirrels have secrate mind controling powers? :P