Bobbington

Now now! Paul is uber, I am sure nobody thought it would end up as it has..... I actually belive it was Mod James B who made pure essence but dont quote that as true, he made the RC skill, the abyss, and combo runes etc..... so was probaly the Pure ess maker too. (combo runes totlay failed in every way) I like the idea of adding to possible kingdom loot though....... that would have an impact i feel.

Ig youy had said this a few months back... I may have agreed. But I currently feel Jagex have got it almost righ.... they have stoped ignoring high levels in a very respectable level, they are paying much much more attention to bit's and pieces... and are generally doing a well rounded update job.

Really the main thing that would stop pure essence autoers is..... wait for it....... more autoers! There must be a certain pace per essecne that will make the essence undesirable to autoers, where there is no more profit left after membership (same as flax). One way the price would drop this much is if the market is flooeded by things from autoers. Although this is only a temp fix, as when the autoers go price will rise and they will come back. Long term fix! Increase the mining xp for pure essence..... this will make essence collecting MUCH more desirable for real players, less people will buy essence, so less demand for autoed goods, and prices drop.... so less profit for autoers.

My two best quests both come from the Mod Ash collection (His only two quests) -my arms adventure -swan song The are both great enjoyable quests, and Ash has an excelent sence of humour.

Totaly random... On the day I got my black mask drop I went straight to the fire giants (slayer task) and got my first dragon drop (spear), in the same inventory of food I got my second ever dragon drop (shield)..... that would make some think that it's like a super ring of wealth! Or we could just realise that it has no effect at all.

There are a few factors that need to be included there though.... it's more complicated (which is why I have not done it my self). The large risk of having you account with membership banned (each ban before breaking even = loss). The time to get the mining level to collect pure essence, factoring in the ban risk. The change in demand of the essence.

do we have any logical people who can work out if autoers are now actually better off? I would be intrested to know the factual side of it.

Very true!

Is rune essence actually collected by farmers? or is it just bots?

I put the answer "I would hate it" even though that opinion is a bit strong really.... How will you be collapsing them? what code will it use? I am a fan of the java colapcing where it will open when a mouse is held over it, but I think the clicky uncolapsing will just slow navigation and put off new users.

The idea of combat/level restrictions would really not work. Whilst yes it would slow them down, it would also make them harder to spot... and thus report. Also think of it's effect on the economy, at that level how many less people would actually mine the essence, they price would sky rocket, the the number of people training RC would plumbet.

I am sure that amongst our readers we have several who where not aware of the time when there was no such thing as "Pure Essence" so I shall start with this brief introduction. At one time, there was only one type of essence it was simpaly called "Rune Eessence" and could be mined on both free and members accounts, this "rune Essence" worked in exactly the same was as "Pure Essence" does today, and could be used for making any rune! Over a year ago in April 2006 Jagex made an update that caused major disruption in the runescape community with people taking both sides.... Jagex introduced "Pure essence" spliting the members from free players allowing F2P to only collect normal essance to use in the crafting of F2P runes. below is the news post made by Jagex on the 20th of April two 2006. If you wish to read this updates feedback at the time read Here, and the less important post update tweak here At the time a quote from Paul stated it was his oppinion that gold farmers would not pay the money of membership to harvest the Pure Essence, and that may well stop the trade as members would not be intrested in normal essence. Just before this update the then only "rune essance" cost between 25-40 gp each, and it is correct at that price the farmers would not have gone after it. However withing moments of the update the price of the new "pure essence" raised amazingly to 100-120 gp each! alot of player became rich of the back of this update, I know sombody personally who had bought 300k rune essence the day before at 25 each. It is now almost 1.5 years on, and I bring the question..... did this update help? make no difference? or make it worse? In my view point at the time of the update, whilst I hated it...... I felt it was at the end of the day nessasary; as without this there would be no way to stop them. However now I belive it may have made the situation much worse. When coming to our conclusions we have to take into account several factors that do indeed effect it. 1. The change in price. Did the raise from 25gp, to 100gp actually more than counsil out the cost of the membership (+risk of losing it) 2. Are there actually more autoers? now... when I say this I am talking with relative, there are obviousally more autoers now in the entire view of things, but has pure essence autoing actually become more or less popular to the farmers in contrast to other resourses. 3. from a non autoer prospective. when I was a free player mining essence for members was a great way of making money no matter what Jagex said, it was the same for many free players, this is how they earnt! 4. Getting hold of essence. For a member.... lets be honest most of us dont mine our own essence.... we have better things to do xp, time and intrest ways as a member than mining Essence. Members relied on free player to collect their essence, now it is mined by member, it is harded to get hold of. 5. Who do we buy essence off? there is no doubt about it.... the autoers came to members! and yet the majority of rune crafters dont mine their own ess..... so where is it coming from? are we actually buying it from autoers? on the old system it was more likely that it originaly came from a real person. I hope this debate gets some good well though out discussion points, I feel that enough time has passed to make a fair judgment on how this has effected the game. I am intrest to know how you felt at the time as well as how you feel now, like me you may have had an opinion shift. Please note: I know that this will come... so I am going to pre-ask-it-to-stop (is there an actually word for that? :P). The comment "Jagex only did it so they can get more money from membership" is not welcome, if you know more indepth how much Jagex do to prevent rule breakers iin the game you will understand that that claim is totaly false, and probaly quite offenive to them. Happy debaiting!

Read Hair and hats? in the offical forums.

Quite alot of people would find that offencive even as a joke...... jokes can be offensive even if they where sarcism. Personally I stoped finding anything offensive a few years back (personal promise) but can see hope people would be offended by it. It's always important to be carfull what you say in an online environment, the player are all of differnt ages, races, nationalities, religions, social backgrounds.... etc. You just have to realise that humour aimed at a certain group of people can and will be taken in the wrong way. as for the "-.-" emoticon if misinterprated after a joke of that kind could also be taken as rasist, mocking chinesee facial features, now don't get me wrong here I am not acusing you of rasism, but it is always important to think how thing sare viewed by others. I would not say it was an unfair banning/blackmark/mute etc.... But I would say it was unfortunate.

Mugger (lvl 6) Nuff said.

I dont belive any of them would be called "often" but hill giants dont seem so bad. But anything is bigbones will do.

Create a thread which is sticked during busy periods and just a normal thread in the quiter periods.... this would be an acceptible solution.

As I said.... pink mohawks rock!

Looks like a teacher :P I say this now about my look...... Pink Mohawks rock! if only it was taller!

Room full of computers with split dodars meaning they have more than 1 ip per computer.... meaning many account per computer. There is then only the need for one guy to look over and keep it tuned.

Is it just me.... but I cant see the news items on runescape.com? where be they?

see full list of treasure trail rewards.... click here

Just bought a santa today (after getting 3rd age in a clue yesterday) I feel 20.9mill is a good price, there is potential loss in it, but dont see it droping more than 2mill at max.... and there is no limit to what it can rise to!

It's 100% with the scammer, without them.... there would have been no scam. Sure the victim should have known better; but it's not really his/her fault that they don't! there is always a point in life before we learn somthing. You dont blame the 2 year old for not knowing the alphabet. Most players in this game, no matter how small have probaly fallen from atleast one scam in their time, if you keep falling for the scam it slowly become more of a personal issue for you.... but the blame always rests with the scammer.