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1. If you are teaming, then you'll get much less money. If you CS it, then a hilt will only be 7m-10. EVen less money. If you LS, then your chances of getting the hilt just went up. 2. Actually, if you must pay 90% taxes, then no, you won't make that much. Supplies cost alot. TYou don't make millions. I'm talking about Brews, Sup Restores, P pots, sharks, pots. [hide=LONG POST]Maybe you should try GWD before talking about the figures you are suggesting. Realistically you don't make much more then if you just kill Avainsies until your able to get a very high leveled partner, and/or get high stats yourself. EVEN if you factor in lesser drops(shards, sarasword), it still isin't that high. EDIT: 2. I just reread what you wrote, and I misunderstood. Buy the same token I can say you make 100billion a day smithing. IF you don't count the costs, then why don't you buy visages and make a DFS, and sell? 15m Profit right? Ok so am I ignoring the first part? Just to be safe... 1. It IS on a team 2. Ok so you don't make millions. Ok, so I don't professionally GWD. I have no data of my own other than math I can calculate, so no personal experience. So let me ask you a question then, is Zarfot reliable? All personally tested most, if not all, of the things he writes in his guides and they're all correct. I say Zarfot is a reliable source. Therefore... Note that last paragraph, "the average profit would be closer to 2M per hour". PROFIT. That quote was that evidence I was basing my logic off of, not personal experience. If you want my personal experience at Sara GWD, then it's lagging, dying, and losing a lot of stuff. That does not help us at all here. All it does is confirm that lag can kill you at Sara GWD. Ok now on to your edit: You used different terminology there, my friend. Before you said you'd "make" less money. No you don't. If you buy expensive supplies, the amount you "make", in other words the income you get, does not change. The PROFIT changes, but not the INCOME. So for future reference, I don't want to keep basing my logic on just 1 quote, so you tell me, how much can you make at Armadyl/Saradomin GWD with the optimal sized group, on average? Now I don't expect you to know that, but then answer these questions instead: 1) How big is the optimal sized team for each? Answer the rest assuming you are with the optimal sized team. 2) What is the cost in supplies for both? 3) The droprate of a hilt in SGWD is 1/250, correct? AGS? (Hilts for both, of course.) Sara Sword? Armadyl armor? Godsword shards? If you know them, of course. 4) What is the average money you get from the smaller drops, ex. Rune chainbody, from the bosses and generals? 5) How long does it take to kill each? Respawn? If you answer those 5 questions, I believe we can have a much clearer discussion. [/hide] First off, monster hunting is luck. Sure, you can get 100 hilt drops in a row. Sure, you might not take a single hit during a fight. We must look at it scientifically, instead of luck. I can get 100 testimonials saying they didn't get that many hilts. 1) The optimal size can vary depending on stats and gear. USually 1-4. 2) This is based purely on inventory. Too many factos to give a definite number. 3) The hilt dorprate of Sara is 1/250. I don't see how the others are relevant sicne we are talkign about Sara. 4) I'm not going to start factoring the 10k drops. You won't get nearly enough. 5) BAsed on stats, number of people, and gear. In any case, if you do factor everything in, you don't make nearly that much from GWD. I'm not denying the money from them(I GWD when not training). Anyways, why ar ewe even talking about this?

I think the drops are okay, but I'd rather have some sort of marker of having killed the boss. Maybe an achievement diary entry, a title, or a 100% drop rate item to put in your house. Boss kills shouldn't just be about the items, they should also be about the glory of having downed the Cabbage! But boss fights are TOO Easy. Who cares if you can press the attack button and eat when needed? COnsider GWD bosses, which die in minutes, if not seconds.

How is this efficient and fast training? Its proven that taking a 5-10 minute break every 40 minutes keeps your concentration up. Activities like bosses, concentration intensively training and so on are better exp when your able to concentrate. Hes also saying don't let runescape take over your life, yes its not helping you play but its good advice. You don't need concentration. Unless you are doing bosses, you really don't need any concentration. A 5-10 min break would nullify any possible gains anyways. Training on Aggressive monsters is adeal. During the death animation you can attack another target. TBH its juts common sense. IF you don't have anything new to add, then making a "guide" really isin't needed.

Hmm. DOn't remember either of your names. Unfortunatly, it seems your pictures are gone now.

lol... so by disliking immature behaviour, and by recognising that it's 99% of the time younger players that are [wagon] to others... that means i'm immature? it seems like i struck a chord with someone by not wanting to talk to children. and i act like an adult... mostly because i am an adult. i work with kids and i have to be professional or i get fired. i have no respect for young teenagers mouthing off, doing their best to display bullying behaviour on a game that some of them are too young to play. there's a reason i don't talk to teenagers outside of work in real life... because 99% of them don't have the capacity to talk in a mature fashion with an adult. To begin with, I find it ironic that, based on your own metric, you'd be the first to be filtered. Moving on... Lol, its true. Original poster, please atleast talk in proper english if you are ranting on the bad english and immaturity of kids?...

Actually, the opposite is true. All bosses are easy to kill if you know what you are doing or have a good team.

Sorry, but you can't just make a guide, and say "Go kill these level 85 Monsters" TEle to Clan Wars is faster, but no bank.

VEry interesting. I'll try this out, but I think mousekeys are definatly faster.

There's no rule saying you aren't allowed to reserve posts, as long as each post is a logical length. However, putting each section into a hide tag would've made your guide a lot easier to look through. Actually, there is. You are only allowed to make a guide in more then one post if it contains too many characters.

First off, put it in one post. It isin't allowed to make so many posts in order to increase post count. I think you should focus on strategy. If a player went through the ingame guide, then 90% is covered. The rest is pretty easy to know.

+1 to everyone above. Its true. NOTHING in this guide is unique, it is a wall of text, and half of it is found in KB or ingame guide.

Orks: Pros. Lesser Known. You will rarely need to hop worlds. Never more then twice. You won't die here either... You can escape by moving one square. You can use familiar MORE EXP Cons. Players Sorry, but Orks are better then bandits. I don't even see how your points are relevant considering if both spots share a common pro or con, it cancels out.

Well, it would be nice but it would be impossible to accuraty impliment. Everyone can lie about their age.

It would drive the price down. Crashing is part of the game.

8/10 Would have liked to see more pics of the loot, pretty good hits and combos. Some parts with safing, others you risked. GJ

Nice to see you back! Are you planning to go P2P again? And why do you only have 22m lol. Gave everything away?

Looks nice, but unless you get a pile pic, nobody is going to believe you. You might aswell have taken the pic of it in your bank.

1. If you are teaming, then you'll get much less money. If you CS it, then a hilt will only be 7m-10. EVen less money. If you LS, then your chances of getting the hilt just went up. 2. Actually, if you must pay 90% taxes, then no, you won't make that much. Supplies cost alot. TYou don't make millions. I'm talking about Brews, Sup Restores, P pots, sharks, pots. Maybe you should try GWD before talking about the figures you are suggesting. Realistically you don't make much more then if you just kill Avainsies until your able to get a very high leveled partner, and/or get high stats yourself. EVEN if you factor in lesser drops(shards, sarasword), it still isin't that high. EDIT: 2. I just reread what you wrote, and I misunderstood. Buy the same token I can say you make 100billion a day smithing. IF you don't count the costs, then why don't you buy visages and make a DFS, and sell? 15m Profit right?

In the real world, MOST people have no skills. Some have a single skill. SOme have many. In Runescape, everyone has every skill.

Its like that except you didn't factor in the fact that the hilt is ~48m, you have to get there and back, supplies cost, and KC time. If you factor all of that in, you won't make nearly that much money. If you go in teams, then the amount gained is even less.

Claw Rush Instant redbar, press second spec. No prot melee, 1 shark eaten. 0,1. Not even 4 hits. GF.

OK PKing Safe problems, plus teles when risking ~150k You also account share, which is kinda dissappointing. PKing on other people's accounts or letting others PK with your acct isin't good(Evidence:1:55 in vid, shows the 'I use Titans" acct talking to "So Offensive")

ill agree 20m per hour is nice. but jagex isnt going to give the players something where they can make massive amounts of money. Yeah I know. I exaggerated to get my point across. The exact math doesn't matter. As long as a high smithing level is VERY profitable, then any cost/time needed to get to that level means nothing. Just look at 85 mining and 91 rc. I nearly killed my wrist getting 85 mining, but it's totally worth it. I couldn't quite make myself get 91 rc (stopped at 80), but many people have. If the rewards are good enough, trust me, people WILL go for it, regardless of what they have to do to get there. Jagex will give players a way to make massive amounts of money, just not as massive as I stated. 20m? Of course not. 3-5m? For a high level smithing, very possible. High level combat makes 2m/hour already. Umm...You can't make 2m an hour combat unless you are extremely lucky.

Slowest monster attack is Surok/Dagon'Hai Monk in Bork room(Over 15 seconds in between)

It has to be. RS is centered around money. Everything is buyable. If you made GWD stuff untradable, then all other "self-achieved" things must be. Monster hunting is a SOURCE OF MONEY. MAke nats untradable. You need RC for that right? COmparing rs to wow is unrealistic. In wow, only basic materials can be bought, all for skills. If you were to not do any skills in WOW, you would NOT NEED MONEY. All endgame items are self obtained.