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Thats a nice idea... But why not buy some of the armour/wands they have? You can sell them easily in GE, and buy more cosmics.

Couldn't you alch the addy kites? Very good guide though

This whole thread you have basically been saying that any skill that doesn't make more money/hour than the average GWD trip is a fail skill. But anyway, doensn't, say, 83 Slayer make it a lot more fun to get your GWD kc? Also, Diesel, you're saying that Slayer isn't good anymore based solely on the low prices of Whips, Dark Bows and other Slayer monster drops. So what if it doesn't make as much money anymore as it did in the old days, it still does make quite some. Of course prices drop with time, yet that doesn't mean every skill "degrades" in goodness with time. Yep. And I belive that explains the point. Sure maybe 83 slayer is funner than getting KC. But then again, I'd go with a boss killl over any slayer task.

Now imagine if ever hit was a spec... Hint hint D scim

Great you did a test. But again, that is only one example. I can just as easily vid myself killing the rock crab with GS much faster. But there are many variables that cannot be proven. Such as potting and such. In any case, I really don't care.

very interesting... Hope Jagex does not remove it like the alcove at SGW. But doesn't armour not do anything? And what is a leaf sword? Leaf Spear?

Well, if you consider the 500k+ at any GWD boss, even WITHOUT significant drops...

Please Please Please...So thats 3 times .Apparantly using "please"makes you feel better? Again, you don't understand. Ever since the safe-spots were removed and Zilyana' AI manipulated to thwart triangulation, the only method for killing her successfully has been the Hit-and-Run Tactic. Really, the only debate in this matter is whether to use Melee or Range in the Hit-and-Run. The OP has clearly chosen to follow through with the Melee aspect--hence, this thread is centered around the question of preferred Melee gear. However, despite which aspect of the lone method is used, there are a few, vital components to hunting Zilyana that both share in common--one of these being the use of the Protect from Magic Prayer. Trust me, anyone who walks into the Encampment will soon realize the futility of the Protect from Melee Prayer against Zilyana. And, even if you won't take my word from it, you could always PM one of the GWD Experts here in TIF--they'll all confirm what's been said. Me no care. Understand? I'm not here to debate this. You've no allowance to preach to anyone the mechanics of Saradomin GWD--not after you've admitted to never having gone and especially not when you don't even know which Prayer to use. Above comment Ah, I think I understand now. I had previously believed that you had merely been misguided and argumentative--now it's become obvious that you're trolling for attention. This will be the last time I post in this thread--I don't have the time to continue on in a never-ending, meaningless squabble. If you want the "last word," you may take it. You may also take you're "win"--I was simply here to give my opinion on the matter and to correct what I first thought to be a misunderstanding, not to feed a potencial flame war. Thanks With that said, I bid you farewell, and suggest (to SirHemen) that he seek Mod intervention to either clean out the unnecessary posts or close the topic altogether. Closing the topic would be ideal. I've grown board of this. Since obiviously he has run out of "explinations", and I'm just forced to repeat again and again, until he understands. Mod intervention? Sure. This has gone past discussion, I'm just using this to liven up my day. @ Sir Heman: I don't belive its that long? Even if it is 12 seconds, realistically, you only get 4 hits with Veracs. Sure the set effect helps, but its not 100%. You should know that. The attack animation of the GS really isin't slow. Although it appears you will be hit, you will skid away. Same with Verac's flail.

If thats what you call evidence, I tihkn I win. Anyways, I have put much information in these posts(which apparantly you cannot/have not read) But anyways, since you are using the hit and run tactic, GS would be, again, better. Because you can hitting a few at a time, and not consistantly, that would benefit GS. The GS is slower, but that is minimized by the tactic, since you are only hitting once or twice.

The effect is still pretty rare. And considering you must get the special, AND max hit on the FIRST HIT. Very hard to do. Just getting a special is hard. Max hit? Harder. And if you only get one shot? Nearly impossible. In theory, the max hit would be 270 done with ice barrage on 9 targets. But ofc thats 30 damage a hit.

Well, with barrows, its 500k/15 hours. So that means roughly 14 hours profit. With P pots, its about 150k-200k a trip. So thats around 6-9 trips worth of profit.

For once I agree with you. Flaming me does absolutly nothing. Glad to get that over with. I know you've gone to SGW. But what you have said here really doesn't back it up. I know about the hit-run method. But we are not discussing methods. Weather you use magic or melee prayer, obviously depends on the method used. Again, above comment. Oh, and knowing more then I do? \

From my perspective, you aren't making much sense. What is clear, however, is that you have no right to debate on a subject in which you have no prior knowledge or experience--in addition to this, you've only made the situation worse by continuing to argue your erroneous assertions. This is the DEBATE CLUB. I'm sorry if I'm not allowed to debate [hide=Off on a Tangent]Is it only me, or does this seem to be a fairly common problem with the Debate Club and Help and Advice Forum (the fact that many posters post irrelevant or otherwise flawed information)? I would like to think that people would restrain themselves from posting if they were to have no idea what they were talking about, but I suppose the overriding need to spam/increase post-count/appear to be intelligent is just too much. 'Truly a shame and disappointment.[/hide] OK. Thats great. To contribute, I'll describe how to go about killing Zilyana--in brief. *First of all, let's establish that, unless you or anyone else dearly wishes to lose a great deal of wealth in a frighteningly-short period of time, the Protect from Magic Prayer will be used at all times while fighting Zilyana, as her Melee attack--while considerable and worthy of caution--can only be unleashed upon one victim at a time (as opposed to her Magic attack--which will devestate everyone in her Chamber should the Protect from Melee Prayer be used). I'm in no way debating how to kill Zilyana. please quote me where I was. *Secondly, considering Zilyana's ungodly defence and her lightning-fast (dart speed), accurate, and powerful Melee attacks, it would be foolish to attempt to engage her in direct combat. *NOTE* Hit-and-Run Melee tactics, while technically effective, should only be employed by near-maxed, highly-experienced players. In all other instances, the counter-part Ranging tactics should be used. Please refer to above comment. If one were to use Melee, it would be advised to use Verac's ("welfare") or a Godsword (preferably either a Zamorak or Saradomin Godsword, as the ZGS can be used to freeze her and the SGS for healing on the minions, while the BGS's and AGS's abilities would, most likely, be wasted--her near-impenetrable defence causing the specials to fail). Well, if you are using either ZGS or SGS, you have to hit. The same goes for BGS an AGS. All of the Godswords are the same exept for the special. Both are equally viable, but the Godswords have the lucrative bonuses of their special attacks. Something to consider: Guthan's or Higher-Defence Armour can be used in conjuction with the Godsword, while Veracs' users are stuck with middling defensive bonuses and no side-healing ability (either Guthan's or an SGS). <--- This, I believe, answers the OP's question. Thirdly, *I had a third point, but I've forgotten it somehow, unfortunately.* At any rate, before I digress further or forget anything else I had intended to say--you, Pantim, shouldn't have started the argument. Your "common sense" is completely invalid, as Zilyana is like no other monster ingame (excepting the Corporeal Beast, but I doubt you've killed it either) in regards to sheer offensive and defensive capabilities. Unlike any other boss, Commander Zilyana (and the Beast) requires some measure of skill and active adaptive/thinging ability to defeat. As such, you have no right to criticise the OP or to offer "advice" on the subject. I'm not criticising anything. I am also not offering advise. If you disagree, please quote me where I am either criticising something beyond the scope of a arguementive debate, or advice. I understand that her defense is top notch. Again, I have never said anything contridicting to that fact. In any case, please present some actual evidence. I have never done any of the things you accuse me of doing. I belive I can post my opinion in the DEBATE CLUB section. After all, this is the point. Anyways, I hope you read to this point. Most people simply post something stupid about how everyone else is stupid and only their opinion counts.

I took the liberty in naming a few. Fishing, Woodcutting, Mining, Runecrafting, Theiving, Hunter, Farming. I said to name a skill that is efficiant at money making, and profits near GWD. If it was any skill that made money, then obviously every single skill qualifies. None of them even comes close to the money at GWD. Point? You asked to name a skill that makes money. Comparing what you told me to do isn't revelant. Common sense is required.

Well... SHE CHANGES TARGETS. So if everyone exept the player getting hit is praying melee. You'd use up your potions and food many times faster. Your numbers are your numbers. however, you cannot use some random numbers as evidence. I know her defense is strong. Ever heard of BGS spec? Even if her defense is strong, you're not going to be hitting 0's left and right. I'm starting to doubt how many times you've been to SGW

I can tell you've never been to GW. And thats fine. I want to start off saying: No, you dont get a hilt every trip. But what about the elsser drops? Shards? Tassets?Boots? Those drops you DO get every tirp. I haven't ever gone on a trip where I have made -200k. I won't even mention the high value seeds or rune items. That ALONE is more than any of the gathering skills. IF you do get a hilt, ten you;ve covered baout a weeks worth of gathering. Abyssal RCing? Great amount of money. But then again, nothing even close to GWD. Unless you are very low level'd (-100), GWD beats every skill, hands down.

I took the liberty in naming a few. Fishing, Woodcutting, Mining, Runecrafting, Theiving, Hunter, Farming. None of them even comes close to the money at GWD.

Yes. I honest think they are. if its duel arena or castle wars...I think it is a testof player's stats, not a of going to the GE and buying pots. Whenever I meet a pot noob I always forfit the duel. No point in fighting a artificial player.

OK guide... But really nothing much to it. Infact, cutting oaks SHOULD NEVER BE DONE. Banking oaks is absurd. You can't possibly sell those. Willows are good until about 80. Then Yews.

Pretty nice guide But definatly add these weight reducing gear: Penance gloves, Boots of Lightness, Hunter Capes.

Nice to see someone bck. However, due to new update(Godwars, DKS, KQ, CB) EVERY skill is useless for money making. Too many raw material, too many levels. Consdering you could make a month's worth of cash doing skills in a single day at Godwars, its useless

It depend of armour and def lvl. Since I have 80 def, and a extremy high ranged defense, I rarely if ever get hit. All of it was tanked through with my spinner. I rarely needed any food, and the food I needed was from bones to peaches. Bones to peaches is very important. With a bunyip, I probably could have done without. Obviously, if you are lower level and do nto have this gear, you must pray it or you will take too much damage

So they are numbers that you "think". I really don't care actually. So prayer... Melee or magic. Its depends on strategy. You could be either doing hit and run with a group, or taking turns to hit her. In any case, I'd rather be hit constant 18s than multiple 20+ hits. I have not been to SGW, but that doesn't mean I don't have common sense, or knowledge of how the game works.

Well. Prot melee is to prevent PJing, and teams. Whats more deadly... 10 people 99-99-99 potted and pietying...and DDS Or a AGS.

Not THE ONLY way at all. It's simply personal preferance. They're so close in bonuses, it's pretty hard to tell the difference between the two anyway. And there's other things to consider, such as looks - some people may prefer the agressive style of the Scimmy, or the simplistic nature of the Longsword. As for the specials, most people who use a Scimmy, switch to another weapon (such as DDS) then switch back. :) I kinda wish people would drop this debate, as it's only opinion as to which is "better". ;) True its preference. But this is a debate, so we are assuming thats its not just "I like this so this is best" They are alsmot same in stats, but the difference is speed. Almost twice as fast(3:5) The difference is STAGGERING. Hitting twice as much is simply overwhelming.