[hide] Players like you are inefficient and tend to have low leveled stats. I dont pity your plight against bots, simply put minning your own coal (lol who trains smithing making bars that require coal anyways) and other ores is the worst way to get smithing up. Do yourself a favor and if your going to be inefficient with how you play at least do it the easy way. Get your mining to 77 (powermine iron, powermine granite do what it takes) then go to LRC and mine concentrated coal then gold. Mine to 99 then a little past 99 then get 99 smithing that way. Hell if you want you can even get 92 crafting if you decide to turn those bars into gold ammys. Seriously thats stupid and inefficient but bots STILL are not a problem doing that way. Honestly people like you remind me of pures [bleep]ing up their accounts then blaming Jagex. [/hide] Did you even read his post, he enjoys mining and smithing properly rather than rushing through. He is playing the game how it was intended to be playe, botters are ruining the experience. Just cause he is doing something he enjoys which happens to be inefficent doesn't ruin his account. My smithing and mining levels where all self made. He isnt blaming jagex, he is scrutinizing them for not holding up there rules. Botters ruin the experience of the game. And its [wagon]s like you ruining this community.