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With the market price guides currently available on fansites, I think they should have been a lot more accurate to begin with. We shouldn't be waiting for the prices of commonly bought and sold items to "stabilize" ..they already were stable before the GE Exactly. There was never any need to "stabilize" anything. This is just a control grab, nothing more. A control grab.........by greedy Jagex...........of their own game. Man you've lost the plot.
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Attempts to stabilize the economy lead to stagnation? Um o.k that really doesn't make sense(think about it, how does trying to stop something failing lead to it staying the same?And even if it did that is more desirable than it continuing to collapse ). Stabilization after the crash of the entire world economy only occurred because of WW2 (and a big reason WW2 happened was the collapse). Harsh controls alongside reforms were put in place because they had to be put in place. 'New plan', new banking/brokering regulations/legislation etc... There is no such thing as a completely unrestricted market in the entire world. If there were no restrictions then we'd have one company selling us everything for exactly the average wage. Microsoft got their [wagon] handed to them for being a monopoly, but in a truely unrestricted market they would be allowed to monopolize, in fact monopoly would be the end result of any company becoming dominant. Do I really have to say why a monopoly is bad? So if we agree monopoly is bad and should be stopped we agree we don't want a truely unlimited market. So if we're all agreed on that then we can stop talking about unrestricted markets because we all realize some restrictions are necessary. In the real world (and hell thats what you all keep talking about) there are many mechanisms in place to monitor and regulate trade of all kinds. Jagex creating price ranges is an attempt to thwart a problem before it began, I stand by my earlier assertion that if Jagex had adopted a 'you pick the price kids!!' format we'd have a forum full of complaints right now.
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Relevance = ? The reason why there is too much supply and not enough demand is that the prices are too high and sellers can't lower them. Why is that so difficult for some people to understand? I can only sell calquat seeds for 38k or whatever. If I could sell them for 29k or so, they'd have been sold hours ago. Is this really hard to understand? I don't get it. And that's the entire basis of my article, and why this exchange isn't nearly as good as it could have been - Jagex is mucking with supply and demand. Time for another econ major to jump in... Qeltar is absolutely right in using real world economics to analyze the game's economy since it is just that: an economy. The real world econ laws are fundamental. They transfer to any economy. Do not think that there is no tangible economy in runescape simply because its pixels. Behind every pixel is a person engaging in the economy. Lol, and your first point is simply amusing. What does the age of consumers have to do with their spending, besides taste? Edit: Just wanted to say something about your statement "have little to no understanding of action=reaction". Can you honestly say that the majority of people spending understand what their dollar is doing in the system? Can you honestly say that the average person understands economics at the level you are implying? Right: My first point was: If you give people who are stupid a free market CENTRALIZED in one place they will demand ludicrous prices. In world 1/2 or on the forums you'd see the OCCASIONAL person trying to buy/sell things for ludicrous prices, I would bet my rather stylish hat that if they'd of done this with the GE (with the added anonymity) we'd of not only seen these idiots come out in force with their 'sell willow logs 57k each!!!'(enough to bring the GE to its knees ) but also the lovely merchants exploiting the [cabbage] out of the system posting false bids in attempts to manipulate prices (something they did anyway). You are all happy to point out the good points of free trade but completely unwilling to accept that a bunch of children would almost certainly abuse it. Don't say 'they could of anyway lol', because theres a big difference between a bunch of morons trying to sell things for stupidly high prices across 100 servers and across 700 banks and those all doing it at the GE. Edit:death: your average consumer doesn't think about [cabbage] when they buy things, your average investor(a KEY difference between Rscape and the real world is that there is no stock market in Runescape)thinks about much more more. Edit2: I will admit that some of the price ranges are downright wrong, but I don't see why you object to price ranges since they were in place anyway(in everything BUT writing). if I went into a bank and said 'buying prayer pots 6k' I would be told 'lol noob they r worth between 8-10k lol idiot'. Thats no different to what the GE does. I really don't get what the issue is, prices have always been inflexible in Runescape due to price guides and the natural rigidity price and demand creates. I would not object to 10% max and min(but Qeltar your tone in this and the other topic was that Jagex putting price ranges in was a [bleep] move and I don't understand why). Edit 3 : I've just thought up the best reason for having the price ranges. Without it people would have to look up prices to know what to bid/sell for. Not a big deal thats what they had to do anyway I hear you say. But thats the thing, the GE is an effort to streamline trade, it wouldn't do for their to be no indication of price because thats contrary to the ethos behind including it. Edit 4:I'm just going to keep editing this post until it is the biggest post in the history of the forums, feel my POWERRRRRRRRRRR \ \ \.
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Surprise, surprise I disagree 1)Runescape is not real life, children play this game, children are impatient and greedy and have little to no understanding of action=reaction 2)The main reason things aren't selling is precisely because of supply and demand, there is [bleep] all demand for Calquat seeds(and possibly because of the way the system prioritizes sales/purchases). Also don't use real world economic theories to describe the situation in the game, the only one that counts/transfers is supply and demand.
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Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell I sold things that are uncommon and hard to sell normally with ease (e.g:black mask), I cannot sell things that are (fairly common) even at the lowest price after 6 hours (e.g:Blood runes). It seems to me a slight problem with the way the GE prioritizes sales, so obviously several people dumped all their blood runes (I'm guessing millions in total) and I have to wait untill ALL of them are sold before mine will be sold. That is going to be troublesome. P.S: I'm not going to brag about the riches I've made selling my unwanted stuff but I will say I now have a whole 2 extra rows of bank space and thats nice(I would never of sold all the stuff I have without the GE it would just of stayed in my bank forever, there are some tweaks that need to be done but I really like this update).
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Jagex is ruining the game for higher level players.
berbatovsky replied to thegarrett73's topic in Rants
Actually Jagex made it harder for people to do things quickly, exactly what high level players wanted. About 3 months ago this forum was full of high levels moaning everything was too easy and they had to work hard back in the day. -
:lol: Nobody wants to buy it *because* the price is too high. Don't you get that? Most items that have a value will sell for some amount if the buyer and seller can agree on a price. When a third party (Jagex) jumps in and says "no you cannot sell for that price" then the transaction never happens. And that's what Jagex has done here. (I wasn't admitting the price was too high, i was aping what you said) The price range is exactly what the market guide on Zybet (SP?) said it was, the ONLY reason those seed aren't selling is because no one wants them because Toadflax is basically useless not because the price is unreasonable. I understand exactly what you are saying BUT the price ranges I have seen are VERY similar to the ones online price guides/players understood them to be before this update. Again I'd point out the GE is an option, you don't like the restrictions placed on prices then you can buy or sell other places BUT you'll have to do more 'work' to get what you want, if you want to buy/sell with minimal effort stick your stuff in the GE and accept the price ranges. Have you actually heard what people are saying at the GE? 90% of those speaking are informing people they are SELLING something at a certain price within the exchange, everyone is selling, the only people desperately buying at this moment are f2pers (try selling some f2p treasure trail stuff its gone in seconds).
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Yes, it does. In fact, that's the only reason things aren't selling -- Jagex has controlled prices. Are you taking the piss? Stop stating things as fact when there is no proof to support said claims, THAT IS CHILDISH. There's no proof that Jagex is controlling prices on the GE? :lol: Okay, why don't you log in and try to sell a shark for 1k? Or buy one for 500 gold? I've got a d left half I'd like to sell but the GE says it is worth 700k so who's going to buy it? In free markets, prices adjust to balance buyers and sellers. In controlled markets, buyers and sellers mostly sit around unable to transact. That's what we have here. Stop being deliberately obtuse, OF COURSE Jagex are controlling prices in the GE, my problem is you saying things aren't selling because of these price ranges. You're just trying to spark arguments now. I'm not being obtuse, because I am correct. The ONLY reason that items are not selling is because of the price controls. If not for the controls, prices would drop and items would sell. OK you've made your position very clear, you don't like the update and everyone who disagrees just doesn't get it. the fact that only you(and like what 2 other people?!?!?) are upset doesn't mean anything of course. So someone would buy my seeds if i sold them at 200 each? Sure they would but I'd never sell them for that and no one would of before this update. Some things just aren't in high demand, your EVERYTHING IS BROKEN attitude is ludicrous to me.
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Yes, it does. In fact, that's the only reason things aren't selling -- Jagex has controlled prices. Are you taking the piss? Stop stating things as fact when there is no proof to support said claims, THAT IS CHILDISH. There's no proof that Jagex is controlling prices on the GE? :lol: Okay, why don't you log in and try to sell a shark for 1k? Or buy one for 500 gold? I've got a d left half I'd like to sell but the GE says it is worth 700k so who's going to buy it? In free markets, prices adjust to balance buyers and sellers. In controlled markets, buyers and sellers mostly sit around unable to transact. That's what we have here. Stop being deliberately obtuse, OF COURSE Jagex are controlling prices in the GE, my problem is you saying things aren't selling because of these price ranges. You're just trying to spark arguments now. Edit:I have 32 Toadflax seeds in the GE at the moment they've been there for an hour(maybe they've sold by now I don't know), the reason they didn't sell isn't because of the price range but because no one wants them.Maybe the price ranges are inhibiting sales of SOME items but certainly not this: 'Yes, it does. In fact, that's the only reason things aren't selling -- Jagex has controlled prices.'
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Yes, it does. In fact, that's the only reason things aren't selling -- Jagex has controlled prices. Are you taking the piss? Stop stating things as fact when there is no proof to support said claims, THAT IS CHILDISH.
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This is what I feel is happening, especially for items/resources that are common anyway.
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I know well enough that I have a bunch of items that have been sitting offered for sale at the lowest possible price, that haven't sold and the price hasn't changed. Well, yeah. The mechanism, whatever it is, changes the price every day. If after a few days (or even tomorrow) that prices in the GE have remained completely out of whack with actual market prices, then perhaps your complaint has merit. Until then, this is a new system undergoing a shakedown and getting rid of the last few remaining bugs, and I see no reason to crucify it just because it didn't get rid of the kinks fast enough. What price ranges differ (SIGNIFICANTLY) from the accepted player ones? Reiterating what others have said: Almost everyone at the GE is SELLING, judge the GE next week not today (in terms of efficiency of selling).Just because things aren't selling doesn't mean its because of the price ranges
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What I will complain about is the fact that I can't actually play the game now, every time I log in I get dumped out to the main page (after 2 minutes of white screen). This may be a problem at my end but I doubt it. Edit: I've managed to be 'on' for less than a minute total in 20+ attempts, this is beyond annoying.
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Have you ever stopped to think, maybe, just maybe some items aren't selling because they are in low DEMAND. Supply and demand still exists in the GE. Also if you want a completely unrestricted market place good luck finding one.
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No, if it were a really true free market, then people who offered to sell for too much wouldn't sell, while those who offered for less would get buyers. Just how it works on the forums and w2 markets right now. Besides, there's a lot of middle ground between no restrictions and the current ridiculous limits. That's childish. This is a discussion forum, and I'm discussing a major flaw with a new update. 1) thats not how it works on the forums/world 2, peopel who are desperate pay high prices because they have no choice. 2) define ridiculous (seriously the ranges are what players used anyway so I don't know wth you're talking about) 3)Its not childish its an option, I'm not talking to 'you' Qeltar with that point I'm talking to 'you' the people who are unhappy(note so far you are the only person really, really unhappy).
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They may not work in real life (although I'm sure you know many industries price fix, I'm looking at you AIRLINES) but this is a game with a much simpler economic model. The price ranges are what people traded at before anyway with only a few exceptions and without this we'd have people selling willow logs for 15k each and buying Santas for 10 gp. You CANNOT give the Runescape community this sort of thing and then allow them freedom to ask whatever price they want because they are too immature (for th most part) to not be greedy idiots about it. Edit:I think you'd be complaining if it was the other way round as well tbh, you seem to be disgruntled with Jagex at the moment and have lost your objectivity somewhat. Doesn't work in real life, online life or any other life. Price controls are an attempt to subvert the forces of supply and demand, and that in turn is an effort to control people. People will always respond to such attempts and thwart the system by using alternatives. It has happened every time in the past, and it will happen here as well. No, I'm not a merchant, but this update actually HELPS merchants by making the market even more inflexible than it was before. What if there were no restrictions though? The GE would become an unused feature because too many people would be unreasonable about what they were willing to spend/sell for. If you don't like the ranges don't use the GE, simple. Edit: recently I've felt like Jagex is aiming all its updates at me, I HATE standing in a bank selling stuff for 30 minutes, the GE means I don't HAVE to. You have a choice, if you just want to save yourself some time, stick your goods in the GE and go do something else although you are slightly hamstrung by the price ranges. If you hate the price ranges sell on forums or in banks. Jagex isn't trying to FORCE prices on anyone they are trying to give people an OPTION. This is not real life, very few people will be disgruntled at this price fixing and as there are already 2/3 other options no one should see this as Jagex taking away our self determination, its just an attempt at stream lining the buying/selling experience.
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It depends really, it actually makes price manipulation a lot easier, all the merchs can set up a cabal buying and selling too each other at maximum price and slowly shift the prices upwards, although while doing so they run the risk of others purchasing their rares.
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They may not work in real life (although I'm sure you know many industries price fix, I'm looking at you AIRLINES) but this is a game with a much simpler economic model. The price ranges are what people traded at before anyway with only a few exceptions and without this we'd have people selling willow logs for 15k each and buying Santas for 10 gp. You CANNOT give the Runescape community this sort of thing and then allow them freedom to ask whatever price they want because they are too immature (for th most part) to not be greedy idiots about it. Edit:I think you'd be complaining if it was the other way round as well tbh, you seem to be disgruntled with Jagex at the moment and have lost your objectivity somewhat.
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Lol its not like its green belt land or something, its not real life, green open spaces are useless in Runescape, although if you like them aesthetically fair enough but you have to understand its a lot easier to remodel an existing area than 'stretch' the world and make a new area.
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I'm not going to take screenshots because I'm getting ultra lag for some reason and can barely log in at the moment, but I have sold: 2 Black Masks: 450k (each) [sold in less than 30 seconds] 1 Ahrim Skirt:450k [sold in under 5 minutes] 1 Black(G) Platebody: 70k [sold the second I put it up] 25k Fire runes: 325k (@13 gp each) [sold in under 15 minutes] Rune Platebody: 55k [sold in under 10 minutes]
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Ive sold a few things in seconds that I thought would take a while to sell and a few things haven't sold that I'd expect to be snapped up, you can't abuse Jagex for this update because its about as good as it could be, the ranges are fine (except blood runes I could sell them at 600 EASILY before but the max is 530 or something similar in the exchange).
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IP banning tens of millions of computers is like trying to use 10 pieces of wood to dam up Niagara Falls. but what if its huge wood? the type of wood that when you see it being moved to dam the falls you think "wow that guy has huge wood!!!"? what then? Then the world will shudder.
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Smarter cheats will never truly be stopped, unless of course Jagex makes it much harder to cheat in game....mull that over ye who berated Jagex for 'ruining' the game with the duel arena update.
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Dueling Tournaments - Not Ready for Prime Time
berbatovsky replied to qeltar's topic in General Discussion
I haven't actually competed in the new tournaments yet (curses Halo 3 and Bioshock and crappy internet receiver) but a friend of mine has and he was rather angry about the whole thing (not the idea but as you say the implementation). I usually defend Jagex because generally they haven't done a bad job and don't deserve the flack they get, but not this time, the tournaments need fixing and (even though its hugely unlikely) I hope they find and consider Qeltars ideas. Its odd to talk about a feature I haven't even used yet but there are obviously problems with it as it is. Edit:note to self: their is not there. -
Well i think your missing my point a little; 'i'm encouraging this kind of 'i'll never do it again, i'm sorry'. R2 could have just posted as his last post '%"$ÃÆââ¬Å¡Ãâã! Jagex' or similar in a giant thread of hate, like some of these so called 'creeps' do. Some 'creeps' carry on RWITing and others, when they are banned, slink off without remorse. I'm comparing his bravery to that of other such 'creeps', and compared to the rest of them, R2 is admirable, very admirable. :anxious: NO [bleep]ING WAY. HE IS BRAGGING NOT APOLOGIZING. Pretty interesting aye? He's not showing ANY REMORSE ffs. [bleep]. GODAMN IT YOUR DOING MY HEAD IN TRYING TO BUILD THIS GUY UP TO BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN A CHEATING POSER WHO'S GLORYING IN THE 'EFFECT' HE HAD. Edit: seriously are you an alias of R2 or did you just plain not read what he said? Because I can't believe you can't see what hes doing with that post. He deserves nothing but derision. As with all these people they think they have power and they bask in it, they assume they are masters of economics when they are in fact just doing what ANYONE could do.