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Nice idea LCooL, but we can only hope :pray: Btw I really hope we get some updates to Mining and RuneCrafting, although we've already received some good stuff on the RC front. Mining has been neglected a bit, while it's my favourite skill! :( Many think it boring, but I find it relaxing and profitable.

Wow what a nice topic this is! I encountered these sorts of mysteries too, always kept me thinking... Wouldn't it be an idea to just start making a True World Map? (I don't know if it has been suggested before) For example, if we know that a certain random event is positioned next to a random minigame, we copy and paste the minimap, and with all the gathered minimap pieces maybe we can construct a full map :-k Just a thought. Oh and btw, the screenshots of 'possible Contact-related dungeons' make me think of Waterbirth Dungeon. I'm not sure though, I've only been there myself once. Anyway, great topic =D> EDIT: I just read page 2 and saw the creator come up with the same idea... :oops: Ah well, great minds think alike eh? :lol:

I'm curious about Shanty mentioning 'fiery folk' on an island in the south-west, wonder if they come soon... :P :twisted: :lol: And the christmas-smilies own : :thumbsup: \

You: ... so now Bob and Neite are very happy together! juna: Bob the Cat? I have heard of that strange creature but have never been able to fathom him. It is no small achievement for you to be able to! This is interesting too: This is Juna's response to Shadow of the Storm. It means that Gods may have the ability to influence the world too, despite of Guthix's ban. Ahh, looks like we've forgotten all about Wyverns! They should be looked into a bit, I'll see if I can dig up anything. I vaguely remember some sort of book about them, but maybe I'm imagining. List of Wyvern ideas: -Get a Wyvern task, ask master for tips -Wyverns' icebreath is blocked by the Mind Shield, look over Ele Workshop 2 books? -Read Tarn Razalor's diary I remember in that diary that Tarn claimed with the Salve Amulet (e) he could force the Skeletal Wyvernsto fear him and do his bidding or something along those lines. Should be pretty easy to check, as once you've gotten the book its in your Poh bookcase. Edit: Not diary, was thinking of the Postbag, but that book you get from the maze that is used to enchant salve amulets. [hide=Tarn's Diary (only relevant parts)]4th of Bennath All my long hours of research have finally paid off! Today I discovered an ancient journal in the great library, which detailed a ceremony for giving life back to greater beasts after they have died! I shall finally be able to unravel the secrets of the Skeletal Wyverns! 8th of Raktuber I have spent over a month studying a spell of Greater Animation now. My studies have led me to believe that although this spell is more powerful than any I have ever encountered, and will indeed reanimate the skeletons of long dead dragons and such creatures, it does not provide any way of controlling them. Whoever devised this spell must have been insane because without somebody to control them, these undead monsters would have been free to destroy everything they encountered! No wonder the spell was hidden away in the great library. There is, however, a reference to an amulet of such power that any undead creature would tremble before someone wielding it. I must return to the library to see if I can find any further reference to this magical amulet. Once I have it and can create and control undead dragons, even Lord Draken and his minions shall tremble before my might! 29th of Raktuber I have spent nearly 2 full weeks searching the great library for reference to the writings that I need, with no success. Soon I shall be forced to start searching through the tombs and grimoires page by page. 8th of Pentember I have found a reference to the crystal! This morning while reading the histories of Morytania, I happened upon this extract: 'And so our mighty Ruler ordered the mines to be sealed forever and all those who slaved in the mines to be slain. Only be doing this could we seal away the thread of the Accursed Shard for all time!' I suspect this Accursed Shard to be the crystal that I seek! My next course of action must be to discover where these mines that are mentioned can be found.[/hide]

just putting in my (probably) useless two cents, but that sounds like the 2nd part of demon slayer (forgot the name). the clothing is different though... cookies for the one who finds an order dressed in black/gold/autumn brown robes! Those are the colors of Armadyl *cough*Order of evil?*cough* Try the Mourners Oh yea! Duh... #-o I've never done MEPII, but I believe the Mourners are trying to open a portal so that a 'Dark Lord' can return to Runescape. If this is Zamorak (which I believe he is) he could be called the Mahjarrat deciever, as he decieved Zaros. So you and seven other guys dress up as Mourners and fight a freshly summoned Zamorak... :shock: [hide=Fenris] http://www.tip.it/runescape/index.php?times=35 EDIT: If we assume that the Dragonkin are from pre-gods wandering Gielinor, despite conflicting evidence for both claims, could it be that the Dragonkin also has a god? [/hide] Good find, but as you said, we first need to make sure if this is even true, and not made up by a Tipiter.

just putting in my (probably) useless two cents, but that sounds like the 2nd part of demon slayer (forgot the name). the clothing is different though... cookies for the one who finds an order dressed in black/gold/autumn brown robes! Those are the colors of Armadyl *cough*Order of evil?*cough* Try the Mourners

I've documented Tolna's story about what he found in the rift: I think it has something to do with Zaros rather than the Dragonkin, as he's talking about worshipping a god, and the Digsite (which is a former Zarosian temple complex) lies just to the south. The whole Varrock area including the rift was once part of the city of Senntisten, which contained the temple. One thing that does interest me is this one sentence: Its like there is some evil power under the ground that wanted me to suffer. As if it got some sort of empowerment from it. This does sound a bit like the powerlink between the Dragonkin and their Dragon weapons. The Kin (supposedly) receive power whenever the weapons are used in combat, and this fellow gets power from suffering (which also happens when you use weapons, right?). Anyway, nice suggestion, I'll have to think about this one...

I think that may be a bit extreme, but dunno. They obviously have to respawn or we'd not have anything to kill. I think it's best to pretend that the KBD, for example, hasn't actually died yet. After all, we're playing this game frozen in time (so to say) - seeing as how we've been in the same year for a very long time now. However, if we were to look into this, I think it is safe to say that it does in fact not apply to them. They reproduce, so they have no need to be reborn. then where's the QUEEN black dragon ;) I shall restate my theory then, backed by my understanding of mathematics. The KBD has 3 heads, doesn't it? Well I think that the middle head is the female one. Why? Let's suppose we assign each a number. Males being -1 and female being 1. The KBD's gender could then be expressed by -1+1+1, or 2-1. What is 2-1? It's 4 of course, I mean 1. And what is 1 in our equation? Male. So one male and the female would cancel each other out, leaving one male left, which is why it is called the KING Black Dragon, and not the King-Queen-King. This would explain why the KBD respawns, because the dragon as a single unit can fertilize itself, leaving a spawn. Why the middle head? Well the other head would get jealous if the second got the female all to himself :lol: *Ignores the fact that it's a joke* If there are two male heads and one female and -1 is assigned to male, the wouldn't it be -1+1-1? So it would make -1, and we all got it horribly wrong! Human women don't like it if they get mistaken for men, so what would a dragon do!? Holy [bleep] :shock: !! ... just like in Shrek... heh :lol: Oh and welcome to Tif Zeaal : Your theory sounds kinda possible. Another thing it could mean is that it's about the dragons themselves. The KBD is talking about how the dragons are bringing false hope to us right? Maybe the dragons are just here so we can use our Dragon weapons more, so that the dragonkin get more power through their powerlink with the weapons. Hmm, that sounds like it has been mentioned before in this topic...

Before reporting in your topic I've read that conversation too, but I just presumed that it was evidence for Wyrms too. Now I read your post, I think I read something about Wyrms at the Varrock Museum, at the exhibit of the Red Dragon, but maybe I'm just confused.

[/hide] We can assume that the object they found was the Stone of Jas, and that it was found in "the north" somewhere - that would be the wilderness. The Stone of Jas was not owned by anyone when the humans found it; it was buried in the ground somewhere (they needed tools, chisels etc. to uncover it), so they could not have stolen it from Guthix or the Dragonkin. Perhaps the place they found it was where the Fist of Guthix cave now is? Also, who/what is Jas? Another name for Guthix? The "man from the north" who found it? Or maybe the word "power" in some ancient language. And who was the "man from the north"? A mahajarrat, possibly? I always thought he was talking about the Rune Essence Rock, as that can be found somewhere in the north too, if you look at all the ice... :-k After all, the Moonclan Manual states that the Stone of jas was instantly removed by the gods after it was discovered by a Fremennik Seer. If thats the case the discoverer couldn't have formed whole groups to investigate it, right? We can't even be sure the place 'it' was found was the Wilderness; I thought it was somewhere in the troll mountains. And about the name we know very little, but one thing is sure: it is a person, because the Oracle says that 'Jas left a Stone behind'. I personally think Jas is one of the Elder Gods. But this "discovery" that they made allowed them to cast magic WITHOUT rune stones; isn't that something that only people who were exposed to the Stone of Jas could do? [/hide] Yes. It can't just have been essence rocks; they gained magical powers, and then later decided to bind them into the essence rocks. Besides, essence rocks are only created when the rock is exposed to the stone of Jas for a while. The stone of Jas has been moved many times. It has been in the essence cave on Moonclan isle, in the secret essence location that you are teleported to, in the Fist of Guthix cave (probably) and in Juna's cave (probably). So maybe the Gods moved it from moonclan to "the north" when the fremenik seer found it, but didn't notice/weren't around when the group of humans in the story found it. Hmm you do have a point there, they could cast magic without the aid of runes... Well I can't think of any other explanation than the Stone of Jas... but keep in mind that that doesn't mean there is no other explanation. We shouldn't use this as a fact in our further speculations and theories, as we might be wrong. EDIT: Wow that post went a little weird... :?

[/hide] We can assume that the object they found was the Stone of Jas, and that it was found in "the north" somewhere - that would be the wilderness. The Stone of Jas was not owned by anyone when the humans found it; it was buried in the ground somewhere (they needed tools, chisels etc. to uncover it), so they could not have stolen it from Guthix or the Dragonkin. Perhaps the place they found it was where the Fist of Guthix cave now is? Also, who/what is Jas? Another name for Guthix? The "man from the north" who found it? Or maybe the word "power" in some ancient language. And who was the "man from the north"? A mahajarrat, possibly? I always thought he was talking about the Rune Essence Rock, as that can be found somewhere in the north too, if you look at all the ice... :-k After all, the Moonclan Manual states that the Stone of jas was instantly removed by the gods after it was discovered by a Fremennik Seer. If thats the case the discoverer couldn't have formed whole groups to investigate it, right? We can't even be sure the place 'it' was found was the Wilderness; I thought it was somewhere in the troll mountains. And about the name we know very little, but one thing is sure: it is a person, because the Oracle says that 'Jas left a Stone behind'. I personally think Jas is one of the Elder Gods.

I think the elder dragons and the dragonkin are the same thing too, but what if the elder gods and the elder dragons are the same thing? They sound similar and we believe the dragonkin once had control of the stone of jas, with the stone of jas I'm sure they'd have enough power to create the world as we know it, or at least change it so drastically that it looked like it had been recreated. But if the elder gods and the dragonkin are the same, how come Robert the Strong managed to kill one? Surely they'd have been immensely powerful? Maybe that particular one was weakened or maybe Robert the Strong was the incarnation of Zaros and that's how he got his power? You have some good points there, but one thing just came into my mind: Guthix doesn't allow any God to be on Runescape, they all have to stay in the God Realm (maybe they can move between realms, but just not Gielenor). So if Bob the cat is Zaros, then why hasn't Guthix come yet to blow him to pieces? Furthermore, Zaros was imprisoned in another dimension when he 'died', so what is he doing walking around on Gielenor?

Btw Psycho, I've read the opening post again, and I've decided to correct you... AGAIN! :twisted: :lol: :lol: :twisted: You fail to notice that the 'death' of Zaros marked the beginning of the Godwars, not the end. Furthermore, the Godwars weren't a time of balance between the gods, it was a time of imbalance. Every time one god made a victory, all of his/her enemies called in more troops from other regions/dimensions. It's like a real balance (scales): evey time a balance between the weights seems to occur, someone will add weight to one of the two halves, making the scales tip to his advantage. But before his side has the chance to tip over much, the other side will be increased in weight with a weight larger than the initial one disturbing the balance. So in short, there was a balance of powers in the Second Age, because the Zarosian Empire and their enemies (if they had any) kept to themselves much. After the 'death' of Zaros, all the other Gods jumped in and started fighting to seize the power which was now available. At the end of the Third Age, Guthix saw the imbalance and the destruction it created, and ordered all the Gods to leave Gielenor, so that such a massive imbalance would never happen again.

I hate to be one of "those people," but why is it nonsense? Perhaps it's my own lack of understanding, but isn't very little known about the Eastern lands? And there have been hints to an Island related to the Majharrats, wasn't there? In that one main page banner? Or am I mistaken? :$ Well, you're right that very little is known about the Eastern Lands, but that doens't necessarily mean there's going to be a godmeeting there. And the 'kudos Isle' is located due north of Morytania, but to my knowledge no clues at all exist which tell of a godmeeting anywhere... So thats why I'm saying it's nonsense. Anyway, Gods aren't even allowed to be in Gielenor or everything on the whole planet will be destroyed, so thats kind of a problem. [/hide] About the eastern lands, I remember reading in a letter to the person in phasymatys who sells the karil's bolt racks that there is a huge empire to the east where all the barrows armours came from. Perhaps this is where the icyenes come from and that is why the queen took over morytania, or perhaps this is where the dragonkin now reside? Perhaps this is why morytania stinks of dragon poo, because it has wafted over from this empire to the east? It would also tie in with the points of the compass metaphor in the KBD's letter. Also, there was the mysterious man who gave the barrows brothers their armours and who stood over them whenever they fought and is supposed to have killed them by weakening them or something, I think I remember hearing that he was Sliske, who appears to be in the sewers underneath draynor and is a mahjarat. According to my theory that the dragonkin and mahjarat are related this would prove that the dragonkin were in possession of the material which made barrows armours and that they therefore came from, or atleast resided in at one point, the empire to the east. I never found any proof that the Barrows Armour came from the East, and therefore doubt your theory. And the Icyene didn't 'took over', that sounds too hostile. I think they were given the leadership over Hallowvale, as the inscription in the Burgh de Rott pub basement says the Queen was loved by many. Furthermore, the man who gave the Barrow Brothers their armour was Sliske, a Mahjarrat, but he can't be found in Draynor Sewers. You must be thinking of Ruantan, Count Draynors former servant and a Vampyre. In one of the postbags from the hedge a letter was written to the person who supplies the karil's bolt racks and he certainly said that they come from a huge empire to the east, I'll try and find which postbag. OK, they may not have 'taken over' in a hostile way, they may have been given control but that doesn't mean they can't have been living in the east. (sorry if this sounds stupid, I have little knowledge of vampyres) but the dude under draynor sewers does hiss a lot and has yellow eyes with slitted, snake-like pupils, is that how vampyres appear? Anyway I'm only suggesting things, it isn't as if I'm claiming to know exactly what's going to happen :| It's ok , I'm not saying that you're claiming that either. I'm just pointing out the right's and wrong's in your posts, so no misunderstandings will occur, and so others can create new theories with the info you and I provided. Besides, I too believe that the Icyene came from the Eastern Lands, and I said that the dude under Draynor is a Vampyre, just not Sliske. And for Boeboeboe, maybe Vampyres only hiss when they're in their Vampyre form. Vampyres have multiple forms, one of them looks human and another is grey with horns, yellow eyes and snake-like pupils. And this is probably the Postbag you were talking about, Rehsa: Maybe you were refering to another one, but this was the only one featuring Ak-Haranu I could find. Yes, he does say the Bolt Racks come from the Eastern Lands, but that doesn't necessarily mean that all barrow Armour comes from there. Maybe someone in the West (aka here) designed the Crossbow to work with Eastern bolts... Or you're correct, but then Sliske must've had connections with the Eastern Lands, and that is a bit frightening... :?

I hate to be one of "those people," but why is it nonsense? Perhaps it's my own lack of understanding, but isn't very little known about the Eastern lands? And there have been hints to an Island related to the Majharrats, wasn't there? In that one main page banner? Or am I mistaken? :$ Well, you're right that very little is known about the Eastern Lands, but that doens't necessarily mean there's going to be a godmeeting there. And the 'kudos Isle' is located due north of Morytania, but to my knowledge no clues at all exist which tell of a godmeeting anywhere... So thats why I'm saying it's nonsense. Anyway, Gods aren't even allowed to be in Gielenor or everything on the whole planet will be destroyed, so thats kind of a problem. [/hide] About the eastern lands, I remember reading in a letter to the person in phasymatys who sells the karil's bolt racks that there is a huge empire to the east where all the barrows armours came from. Perhaps this is where the icyenes come from and that is why the queen took over morytania, or perhaps this is where the dragonkin now reside? Perhaps this is why morytania stinks of dragon poo, because it has wafted over from this empire to the east? It would also tie in with the points of the compass metaphor in the KBD's letter. Also, there was the mysterious man who gave the barrows brothers their armours and who stood over them whenever they fought and is supposed to have killed them by weakening them or something, I think I remember hearing that he was Sliske, who appears to be in the sewers underneath draynor and is a mahjarat. According to my theory that the dragonkin and mahjarat are related this would prove that the dragonkin were in possession of the material which made barrows armours and that they therefore came from, or atleast resided in at one point, the empire to the east. I never found any proof that the Barrows Armour came from the East, and therefore doubt your theory. And the Icyene didn't 'took over', that sounds too hostile. I think they were given the leadership over Hallowvale, as the inscription in the Burgh de Rott pub basement says the Queen was loved by many. Furthermore, the man who gave the Barrow Brothers their armour was Sliske, a Mahjarrat, but he can't be found in Draynor Sewers. You must be thinking of Ruantan, Count Draynors former servant and a Vampyre. Lucien is Zamorakian I believe, but he didn't participate in the attack. He had some 'other business' to attend to, Viggora told. Zaros is not 'the True God of Evil'. Many think he is, but we know almost nothing about him. But one thing is sure, a Jagex Mod stated that he is not the God of Pure Evil. I think that it was indeed their goal to create Mithril Dragons. Imo the examine 'experimenting with mithril gone bad' is just what it looks like from your eyes, as you see a gigantic, powerful metallic dragon. This could be plausible, as the Bounty Hunter Volcano is near the speculated Kin Castle... I agree that it is Lucien, not Zemouregal, but we don't know for sure. There are signs that all Mahjarrat have a base form of a skeleton, but as they are shapeshifters no-one knows for sure. Zemouregal likes to dress up like a skeleton, and we don't know how Lucien looks like under his hood. But as Lucien is the main character trying to steal the Staff of Armadyl, I would say this is him. In the Armadyl Communique it is said he 'found another route to the Staff', rather than managed to get it. So he hasn't got it yet...

I hate to be one of "those people," but why is it nonsense? Perhaps it's my own lack of understanding, but isn't very little known about the Eastern lands? And there have been hints to an Island related to the Majharrats, wasn't there? In that one main page banner? Or am I mistaken? :$ Well, you're right that very little is known about the Eastern Lands, but that doens't necessarily mean there's going to be a godmeeting there. And the 'kudos Isle' is located due north of Morytania, but to my knowledge no clues at all exist which tell of a godmeeting anywhere... So thats why I'm saying it's nonsense. Anyway, Gods aren't even allowed to be in Gielenor or everything on the whole planet will be destroyed, so thats kind of a problem.

Psycho Robot, why can't we just be friendly colleagues? Together we have more knowledge and power than anyone else, mwuhaha! :twisted: ... Yeah, but anyway, the pattern on the floor of the Dragonkin Castle is a big discovery, because this verifies that the mysterious symbol is indeed the Dragonkin symbol, and this provides a link between them and the Stone of Jas too! Also, the screenshot I provided was taken by someone else (as I´m f2p at the moment), so I didn't know the exact location. Now I know they can be found on the Mysterious Ruins in the Northeast Wilderness, this is a good clue that those ruins were once the Kin Castle. Because of the nature of the Spirit Realm, those symbols found there must once have existed in the 'real' world at the same place. Furthermore, I have an idea about the Dragonkin and Guthix. I don't know why people claim that Guthix once was a Dragonkin, because that almost can't be. There is only a very small chance, and with that I mean a VERY small chance! I think that as Guthix wants true balance, It wouldn't only fill 'Its' Gielenor with good races. It would create/get some evil ones too, to balance things out. So maybe It is the creator of the Dragonkin, or was It the one who got the Kin out of Frenaskrae. And as they were evil, and saw how much power was stored in the Stone, maybe they began to hate and envy Guthix because It wouldn't share it's powers. Or they were just mad to be taken out of Frenaskrae, because the Kin crave bloodshed and there was plenty of that in Frenaskrae, the 'plane of eternal warfare'. And why are people talking about a meeting of the Gods in the east? Because that's just plain nonsense! :?

Hm.. Based on the form of the space between the anvils and the dragon skulls, it seems to me that you have to 'receive' something from the skull and use it on the anvils- Maybe to create dragon items we would have to create them there because the skulls (in which I would assume are furnaces ,or path TO a furnace, who knows...) and anvils (and ores??) can only be used to create such items? Of course, it is called "Dragon Forge" because of the skulls and by the other posts on this thread, but it's just a thought. Anyone have info on the 'examine' parts of the skulls? I think that the skulls themselves aren't furnaces, but that lava or water (for cooling) comes flowing out of the mouths, into the bassin, and when the bassin overflows, it can escape through those little trenches in the floor... you mean this one? ;) In my opinion it resembles half of the (presumed) Stone of Jas from the Meeting History cutscene. Also, it looks a bit like the Fist of Guthix. It's interesting, but I wouldn't immediately call it the Dragonkin symbol. But it could be, as Jagex implied that the Kin symbol can already be found in the game, and this is the only mysterious symbol I can think of... Oh and Psycho Robot, imagine the Runecrafting skillcape emote, and replace the runes with some history stuff, thats what I'm doing at the moment, IN YOUR FACE!! Calling me a washed up historian, shame on you! :shame:

The only shred of evidence I've found of the Mahjarrat's connection to dragon weapons is the fairy marketplace seller. She said the weapons were "straight from the Frenaskrae", which according to the Wise Old Man, is another word for Mahjarrat. From my understanding, the Mahjarrat did not stem from the Frenaskrae, they ARE the Frenaskrae. Also, that was added into the game years and years ago, before the Tail of Two Cats, or dragonkin in general, were created. Its entirely possible that Jagex PLANNED to make the Mahjarrat the makers of dragon weapons, but then changed their minds, but forgot to remove that bit of dialogue. Err, Frenaskrae is not a race, nor is it some sort of tribe. It is another plane, a dimension, the homeworld of the Mahjarrat (and maybe the Dragonkin).

Oh, and this (after I looked at the cyan pieces again): [hide=From Postbag 5]Dear King Black Dragon, Have you noticed that you're not the strongest monster in runescape anymore? After the Kalphite queen and now the Chaos Elemental came along, they made you look weak. You cannot let this happen to you! Fight them! You could own them if you tried. Tell me if you get back your title as strongest monster. Later, Hobbman Our time here is short. Our masters only leave us this place so we may bring false hope to the humans. With defeat comes rebirth, with rebirth comes conflict. With conflict comes passion, with passion comes power. With power comes a price. New challenges will only bring them closer to the end, to the precipice of the unknown, to the Kin, and they will show no mercy. Your perception of strength will be your undoing, tasty morsel.[/hide] [hide=From Postbag 10]Postie Pete. Please could you forward this letter to the King Black Dragon. I understand the Red Dragon Isle is a dangerous place for you to go, but I would appreciate your help, as the letter is of extreme importance. Thankyou, Imp Hewer. To the King Black Dragon, Most wonderful of the creatures of RuneScape, Several months back, in Issue 5 of Postbag from the Hedge, I believe, you mentioned something about your master and the Kin. I was wondering if you could, by any chance inform me of what these anomalies are. I have worked hard over these past years, searching the Varrock library, reading books in the Wise Old Mans house, to piece together the clues to the mysteries of RuneScape. I believe your information may be the key. I understand that my weakling sword is nothing compared to your supreme fury, and to you I may seem like nought but a snivelling Imp, but surely you could spare me only these most insignificant and unimportant pieces of information. Even a clue or a riddle would suffice, but I deeply desire to gain these details. I would do anything you wished, attempt any challenge you set, and confront any obstacle you place before me just to gain your aid. Please help me, supreme King of the Dragons. I am your humble servant. Imp Hewer. Imp Hewer, Time will answer your questions. The Kin wait for those to open the door to power once again. Power not meant for your world nor mine, power best left. They are the shadow at the end of the corridor, the fly that blocks the candle, the seal that holds the lid and the child who shivers under the cold blanket of fear. They are not the answer, but are always the price that comes from asking the question. Why is it, do you think, that the records have been burnt away or hidden from prying eyes? A world made of adversity and beings bold enough to take the challenge of life is no place for secrets. Nothing can remain hidden forever; they are looking once more and, when it is found, the real masters of stability will reclaim the scales of Gielinor. Every balance needs a counterbalance. Lest he forget.[/hide] Could be nothing, could be anything... Aaand this... [hide=]Definition of washed up: No longer effective, capable, or valuable: done, done for, finished, through. Informal kaput. Idioms: at the end of thelineroad, over the hill, past one's prime.[/hide] -.- naice

Your post just gave me an idea. It is known that Guthix found Gielinor barren in the First Age, and used the Stone of Jas to create all sorts of things, like the portal of Life and the various plants and animals. And through the Portal of Life came the Elves and Humans. But some races like the Dragonkin, and the TzHaar, can be traced back a very long way, and some think they lived even before the First Age. Still, these races have to come from somewhere right? So my idea is that those ancient races might be created by the Elder Gods. We have some proof that the Elder Gods visited Gielinor at least once, because one of them, Jas, left his Stone behind there. These Gods then would (maybe, no proof!) be the gods of the world before our modern gods even discovered this plane. And as Guthix says that a God of Balance is necessary, there must have been a God of Balance amongst the Elder Gods. Maybe that's the God the Dragonkin want back as God of Balance. (Note that this is speculation. It is build on the theory of TzHaar/Dragonkin living before the First Age. There is no proof of this.)

THANK YOU! I was wanting to post something about this yesterday but I just couldn't write it up properly! The problem with the existence of Dragon items is thanks to Jagex and their inconsistency. Long before the Dragonkin were 'introduced' they claimed it was the Mahjarrat who made Dragon equipment. However as soon as they introduced the Dragonkin, they claimed they were the source of Dragon equipment. The only way to try and make it work is that the Dragonkin were the creators, and at some point in time, in one way or another, the Mahjarrat obtained the gear and when they left Frenaskae for Gielinor they brought it with them. It could be possible that under Zaros, the dragonkin and Mahjarrat came across one another and formed a pact? Zaros' empire did include Dragon Riders who used Wyrms, the direct 'spawn' of the Dragonkin, so it's possible for connections, but this is only speculation. After that it start's to make sense again, Mahjarrat died, Humans looted them for the dragon equipment. Human's used the equipment and were defeated by various monsters around Gielnor. Simplest way to look at it: Dragonkin are the creators, the Mahjarrat were the distributors. And bringing up Wyrms again makes me wonder if Jagex will ever add one to the game. This is all very interesting! But where were Wyrms mentioned? I have class in like half an hour but I'll update the thread again this evening The only time Wyrms and Dragon Riders were mentioned is during the Ghostly Robes minigame, when you talk with one of Zamorak's former bodyguards Viggora. He tells you about how he was the only human in Zamorak's honour guards, and that the dragon riders, Mahjarrat, demons and vampire warriors made up the bulk of the force.

THANK YOU! I was wanting to post something about this yesterday but I just couldn't write it up properly! The problem with the existence of Dragon items is thanks to Jagex and their inconsistency. Long before the Dragonkin were 'introduced' they claimed it was the Mahjarrat who made Dragon equipment. However as soon as they introduced the Dragonkin, they claimed they were the source of Dragon equipment. The only way to try and make it work is that the Dragonkin were the creators, and at some point in time, in one way or another, the Mahjarrat obtained the gear and when they left Frenaskae for Gielinor they brought it with them. It could be possible that under Zaros, the dragonkin and Mahjarrat came across one another and formed a pact? Zaros' empire did include Dragon Riders who used Wyrms, the direct 'spawn' of the Dragonkin, so it's possible for connections, but this is only speculation. After that it start's to make sense again, Mahjarrat died, Humans looted them for the dragon equipment. Human's used the equipment and were defeated by various monsters around Gielnor. Simplest way to look at it: Dragonkin are the creators, the Mahjarrat were the distributors. And bringing up Wyrms again makes me wonder if Jagex will ever add one to the game. Yeah I think that could be very plausible indeed, but let me tell you a thing about Jagex's inconsistency. There is a difference between saying 'the Mahjarrat made the Dragon weapons' and 'the Mahjarrat have brought the Dragon weapons to Runescape', although you can easily see then as similar. So maybe Jagex is less inconsistent that they may appear to you.

Heh, those types are kind of true actually. I think I'm a romancistic, but I only ever use a guide when I've tried to kill a monster for the millionth time and I still can't hit a single hitpoint off of him, wondering if there's something special I had to do. Or something like that ;) And then I would only read the first next step, I wouldn't read till the end of the guide, because that would spoil the ending.