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Best advice -- keep favor high at Miscellania and wait to see what happens with Summoning. You can change what you ask for at any time before collecting.

I agree with whoever said there should be a reward or incentive for blessing gravestones. It needn't be financial; I agree that we don't want people doing this for compensation. How about a hiscores list like the one for minigames, listing those who have done it the most? Put limits on it to prevent abuse (such as, it doesn't count for anyone on your friends list, and/or you can only get 1 point for any given person once every 24 hours.) Or maybe something simpler, like a visible halo over the head of someone who blesses a grave? Just a "token of appreciation" would be nice.

Thanks for the replies. A few responses in turn... Anyone who is finding this confusing, please read the TWIRP Quick Guide. It's a condensed version of the full explanation of the system. mrmyk: Much of the rise in herbs lately has been for herbs that had been driven down to insanely low prices previously. (65 gp each for marrentills?) Unfortunately that's the problem with being at the start of an indexing project, we don't have much history to play with. Mayjest: I wanted an acronym with my site name, "index", "price" and "Runescape" and initially came up with "TIRP". I changed it to "TWIRP" because it's more catchy. :D Darlokneo: I think Duke might take issue with that. ;)

Well, if they make the SGS restore summoning energy the way it does prayer points, that could change things a bit as well. ;)

I put in the actual index values and changes by skill, hopefully that will help some....

NOTE: The TWIRP project and reports are too long to post in their entirety here. I am therefore posting a summary of results, some charts and commentary, because I had several readers ask me to do so. If you have no idea what TWIRP is, you may wish to read the TWIRP Quick Guide. The full report can be found via the link in my signature. Quick Index Summary Global Composite Yield (TWIRP): 100.6 +1.5% ^ Skill Composite Yield (TWIRP-S): 99.0 +1.6% ^ Combat Composite Yield (TWIRP-C): 102.1 +2.0% ^ Key Items Affordability (TWIRP-X-KEY): 104.0 +5.9% ^^ Advancing Items: 75 (24.8%) Declining Items: 184 (60.7%) Unchanged Items: 44 (14.5%) Item "Winner" of the Week: Marrentill: +44.8% ^^^^ Item "Loser" of the Week: Marrentill seed: -34.8% vvvv Index "Winner" of the Week: Herb Drop Value: +17.3% ^^^ Index "Loser" of the Week: Herb Seed Drop Value: -26.1% vvvv Crude Volatility Index (TWIRP-X-VOL): 625.6 Synopsis of Price and Economic Trends Looking back, this week will probably be known as the ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅGreat Pre-Summoning Sell-offÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

Keep up the great work, primadog (and others). And thanks for the link in your initial post; but just use http://www.truthscape.com/twirp_report -- that will automagically redirect to the latest report. For those interested in a set of tables showing current prices and weekly changes on over 300 important RS items, you can find them here. ~q

Many things that were told to us about the GE were deceptive. Even the current description of the GE in the RS knowledge base is deceptive. This is just part of it.

No company will give you that information, for security reasons. But common sense should tell you that it is obviously in their best interests to avoid fraud. And the CC companies also have safeguards in place. No, but it seems very likely given the magnitude of the botting/RWT problem in the game. Use simple logic -- would Jagex have done what it's done over the last two months unless it felt it had to? Honesty and openness with customers has, unfortunately, never been Jagex's strong suit. If they can't even be straight with us about how in-game functions work, there's no point even hoping for transparency on these sorts of issues. ~q

How do you know they don't? I'm sure the scam artists are smart enough not to register 50 accounts with one card. It means they get what they think is a valid subscription, and then 30 to 60 days later receive a notice of a chargeback. There *can* be additional fees, but more than that, the CC companies have allowable chargeback thresholds. If the number of chargebacks you are receiving exceeds a particular level, they can cut you off. And that is likely what was being threatened here.

I can easily see it that if you die with a monster in your inventory, it is set free and then disappears. That's what I think is happening in this case. BTW "Nothing interesting happens" is the default message if you do anything with any item that wasn't programmed with something else.

I don't think it's a glitch.. I think it's an oversight. As I said on the other thread.. this isn't something that could happen randomly -- there is very specific code that had to have been put into place for that effect to occur. My guess is that part of the way familiars work is that they are released or something else happens to them if you die and they aren't one of your kept "items". This code was put into the game in advance, like some of the other Summoning bits, since most of the Summoning monsters don't actually exist yet. Jagex either forgot that the squid is already in the game, or else figured nobody would die while carrying one before the update.

Think so... If those people can really find a better job, I dont think they will really go to play over 15 hours rs per day just for that $200/month. However, most tipit users do not live in China anyways, so you can blame them being ignorant. Its totally not their fault of not knowing whats happen in those developing countries. Again, I dont mean to encourage those people working over 15 hrs per day for $200. I think my aim of posting this thread is to let people understand more about whats happening in this world. There are people here who "work" 15 hours a day on Runescape for nothing. Maybe they are even worse off than the gold farming employees? :) This issue is reminiscent of the debate over telemarketers (you know, the guys who call you at dinnertime trying to sell you stuff.) There are many people who exchange ideas for how to abuse these people, waste their time and so forth. And then, inevitably, someone chimes in with "these poor people are only trying to make ends meet in a tough job", blah blah. Well, they're right. And wrong. Yes, it's not the fault of the people who choose to be telemarketers or gold farmers, and I wouldn't be personally abusive to either. But at the same time, it's not my responsibility to provide anyone with a job, nor to put up with inappropriate behavior because of their job. So.. while I won't tell off a guy who phones me during dinner, neither will I give him a sale. And while I don't have any real feelings of animosity towards gold farmers, they need to understand that if they choose to try to make a living by exploiting someone else's product then that someone is going to fight back. In this case, Jagex. And by the way, as others have said, China is not a decrepit third-world hellhole. In fact, China's economy is going gangbusters. Most of these people are doing this job because they want to -- not because they have to.

Here's what a real chargeback letter looks like.

I actually don't think this is a bug, more or less Jagex leaking stuff :P This has to be more than just a bug.. someone put some specific code into the game to make this happen. My guess is that part of the way familiars work is that they are released or something else happens to them if you die and they aren't one of your kept "items". This code was put into the game in advance, like some of the other Summoning bits, since most of the Summoning monsters don't actually exist yet. Jagex either forgot that the squid is already in the game, or else left it as an easter egg.

Getting non-responses from a company and then sending followup messages to try to get a real reply is not "spamming" -- unless he sent them in rapid-fire succession, which I doubt.

Read my first reply. America destroyed a beautiful language to be brutally honest. Yeah, brutally. :) You're both being rather childish.

With all due respect, you are as well. Jagex's CS function is a total and complete joke. This is a company that rakes in dozens of millions a year and cannot implement a system to allow its customers to communicate for what, going on two months now? Rather ridiculous. I had a recent amusing situation.. a J mod contacted me asking me something. I wrote back but only had a 400 char limit, so he replied back asking me to start a new query to CS and he'd reply back to that, giving me more space to reply. So I did... but got an autoreply from someone else. I mentioned this in an article I wrote and apparently someone at Jagex saw it. I get a new message apologizing for the confusion and asking me to try again. So I do... and get another autoreply from a new CS drone. I mention this as well in a different article.. and I get asked again to send in a query, this time with specific directions from the J mod as to how it should be routed. I include, in capital letters, "PLEASE READ THIS AND DO NOT SEND AN AUTO-REPLY". I get yet ANOTHER autoreply from someone else. That's messed up.

Personalized with an "s" is just the British spelling. As for the "we're too busy messages", I raised this issue a while back. A J mod on the RSOF blamed it on it being the "holiday period". Apparently Jagex holidays extend from late November to (at least) mid-January. :D

Not really, no. This thread is on its fourth page and I *still* don't get what its point is. If you're just trying to say that some RWT is still going on, or that Jagex could have done a better job, I doubt anyone will disagree. But MOST of it is gone, and more importantly, the type that involves gold farmers using stolen credit cards to pay for is gone. And that was Jagex's goal.

Lots of items go up for a straight week.. and then down for a straight week. And then repeat. Because the GE is completely out of whack and merchants are having a field day. I'm guessing that updating this every single day is going to be more of a chore than primadog can handle.. I know it's way more than I could commit to. So let's all be patiend, I'm sure he'll update as he can.

Until you stop talking smack and provide some evidence, I intend to.

I'm there right now. The part of the forum used for gold selling has a grand total of SEVEN active threads in the last 24 hours. Why are you BSing us with this stuff? Only if you can find a way to do the transactions. As I already said, these companies are NOT selling gold as they did before, they are trying to get people to let them make gold on their accounts. If you can't understand why that difference is important to Jagex, you're in way over your head. They have.

You mean R2Peasant? Yawn. He whined like a little baby after the December announcement and shut down. Then he reopened to exploit a flaw, and now says he may have to shut down again because Jagex fixed it. Is his business "alive"? Just barely. Does it come close to approaching what RWT was like before? Not even close. Good grief. I wasn't saying they were similar, my point is that anyone can offer to buy something for any price they want -- it doesn't mean a damned thing unless someone is willing to sell.

Right, because of course, these are the most honorable and trustworthy people on the planet. :roll: It doesn't matter how much people try to rationalize how "safe" this is. It is MUCH more risky to give your account details to some stranger 10,000 miles away than it is to just pay money and get traded gold within the game. Period. That difference alone will stop a huge majority of "casual gold buyers". Now, you claimed that "gold sales still happen", but I don't see it - I only see companies offering to level on existing accounts, or attempting to sell whole accounts. Both of which are ALSO very risky and quite easy to detect. So yes, I'd say RWT is pretty much dead. It's a matter of degrees. Most of it is dead. That's what matters.