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No, you're a Jagex [wagon]-kisser for jumping into nearly any discussion where someone criticizes Jagex and jumping up and down telling everyone they have no right to criticize the company or that they should leave if they don't like things. Actually, it's not. Since you've shown that you have no ability to even contemplate that Jagex might be deserving of criticism on any issue, that colors the legitimacy of your comments. What makes you think I'm not? If you want to call getting to the truth a "vendetta", feel free. Of course, since you have Jagex on a mile-high pedestal, you call ANY criticism of them a "vendetta". You apparently need more psych classes as much as you need more business ones. Grow up, learn something, and then you might actually be able to say something that matters.

This criticism doesn't mean much coming from probably the biggest Jagex [wagon]-kisser on this board. You have no objectivity or credibility when it comes to these issues. All you do is make excuses for and rationalize everything the company does, no matter what it is. Well, have fun with it, but in the end, it's simple common sense that a company pulling in seven figures a year is quite capable of providing regular status updates to its customers -- assuming it gives enough of a [cabbage] to do so.

Yes, I think that if one is going to make comments about how business works, one should actually have some experience with it. This is not a matter of me suggesting they pull artists off of wallpaper to do coding. It's a matter of priorities in terms of the communications they decide to have with their customers. In this case, we have a huge percentage of the playerbase pissed off and confused, a Grand Exchange we are forced to use but that is sitting for 5+ weeks without fixes, and they say nothing about these issues but do take the time to post an announcement about wallpaper. That's messed up priorities.

How much business experience do you have, exactly? It has *everything* to do with priorities.

It's called having screwed up priorities.

Fascinating that Jagex has time to post announcements about stupid wallpaper but doesn't have time to post updates about important issues that are affecting nearly every player.

Don't try to insult my intelligence. Do you really want me to dig up the other two or three threads where you stated that you were glad PK'ing and staking were gone? In fact, I think I will (Even though it's slightly a waste of time). Yeah, that would sure be productive... dig up stuff from other threads and post it here. Then for SURE this thread will turn into an off-topic three-ring circus, just the way you like. Forget it, I am done with this waste of time and effort. And maybe done with posting articles here altogether if this is what's going to happen every single time... thanks to jackasses like you and Fook-A-Ji. May I ask any moderator who reads this to kindly lock the thread. Thank you.

So let me paraphrase this for everyone: "I don't feel like debating any of the points you brought up. It may be because I can't. Or maybe I just don't care. Why do you keep quoting me? I'm not going to attempt to show why you're wrong, you just ARE. So instead I'm going to make it sound like you being here is some kind of conspiracy. Then I'm going to attack your real intentions. Yep. That's all he *EVER* does in my threads, and I'm fed up to the teeth with it. The moderators don't seem to have any interest in stopping his crapping on my threads, so that leaves me to reply to it and that's exactly what I'm doing. That's because my positions are based on an analysis of the topic, and not on an agenda to either kiss up to Jagex *or* "hate them" -- regardless of what either side may want to think.

It doesn't. It never does. Look at the image in the post directly above yours, genius.

Okay, my explanation is that you are not terribly observant. I've been around the forums since early 2007. I've been more active in the last few months, which was around the time the game started going through all the changes. Coincidence, nothing more, and certainly not anything I planned. This is my thread, it's clearly marked. If you don't like my threads, stay off them and read something else. Your juvenile replies certainly won't be missed. The same benefit you get -- except that I have the advantage of actually making intelligent arguments instead of just bleating like a sheep. No matter how much you whine at me about how poor Jagex is being persecuted, it doesn't negate the points I made, points which you have no ability to refute and so must resort to BS. Here's another free clue for you, for the next time you decide to justify Jagex nuking staking because it was "too easy to get rich".

The real fools would be people who are incapable of understanding the difference between criticism and "hate".

My thread isn't specifically about trade updates OR prices. It's mainly about honesty and consideration for the customers of a product. Now some may think that I get too worked up over things, and maybe they're right. No, it's not the end of the world if I can't buy or sell certain things. But it's such a *waste*. The GE and the game as a whole have such HUGE potential, and they are being mucked up for no good reason. And what's worse is that the people who care the most, the passionate players, are not being listened to. This isn't about staking either, or merchanting. Again, it's about honesty. You just don't get it. It seems you may NEVER get it. You keep going on justifying that Jagex was right to get rid of staking because it was a "way to get rich with literally no skills". But when I posed this EXACT issue to a J mod, I was flatly told that the staking restrictions WERE NOT an effort to stop staking, only RWT. This is the problem in a nutshell -- a lack of transparency. Nobody really knows what the motivation is. If Jagex really wanted to get rid of staking, why not just say "we don't want high-end staking in our game"? It seems like the motivation, as you say, yet they deny it. So people are left scratching their heads wondering what the hell is going on. Again, if that's what they want, why don't they SAY SO? Grow a clue, kid, because you don't know what the hell you are talking about. I *NEVER* send messages to CS about the game or its features. The exchanges that I documented in my articles were initiated by *Jagex*, not me. They wanted me to give them information. Except their CS function is so fubared that I can't. Well, what you seem to be is someone who thinks it's cool to try to shout down those who are criticizing the company. Which would be fine if your comments actually had merit -- except that they do not. You spend for more time whining about people like me than I spend documenting legitimate gripes with Jagex. Wrong. Again, get a clue, because you are making no sense whatsoever. I believe the appropriate term would be "Jagex [wagon]-kisser". Bear in mind that I don't use that phrase to describe anyone who has anything positive to say about the company. There's much to admire and a lot of good in Jagex Towers. The phrase applies to you because you feel the need to intercede in nearly *ANY* discussion that criticizes Jagex, only you never make logical counter-arguments, you simply flame people with idiotic comments like "it's Jagex's game and they can do what they want" or "oh gee you're so bitter you should quit". Your comments are childish and counter-productive, the sort of gibberish I used to get on the RSOF. And that's exactly why I mostly don't post there, and hate seeing the same BS here on the Tip.It forums. Learn to think for yourself. It will serve you well when you grow up.

... you were always an [wagon] to begin with. Now stop trolling my thread.

Sorry, I didn't mean anything personal by it. It's just simple reality that when you agree to "work" for an entity you give away some of your freedom in exchange. You cannot be as open and honest about Jagex as I can, whether you do it here or not. What, exactly, did I say that's unfair? It's not always necessary to have to portray everything in a precisely balanced manner. In the past I have said that I accept Jagex's need to deal with RWT, and even that I understood some of the changes even if i didn't like them. But the way they are handling this is just flat wrong, and I'm not going to mince words over my views just because some people want me to.

Just curious what you mean by "woke up and smelled the coffee"? We've had our differences in your past soapbox articles, especially your relative belief in Jagex until now. Okay, that's pretty funny considering I generally have a reputation as being "too hard on Jagex". ;)

If I said anything false tell me and I'll remove it and apologize, as I would regardless of any lawsuit threats. Such threats rarely have any merit -- they are used to intimidate. It worked very nicely for Gower, didn't it? He's got people tip-toeing on eggshells two years later. Well, the fewer people who are willing to speak openly, the more important it is that someone do so, right?

The question was mostly rhetorical. It was asked to make a point, not because I don't know the answer. But bear in mind that companies that make a habit of considering themselves far more important than their customers often regret it down the road. I was really hoping Jagex was smart enough to avoid those historical pitfalls.

Why would I need to "tone down the wording"? I didn't say anything negative about Jagex in general, or call them all a bunch of liars or poopyheads or whatever. I gave a specific quote from a page in the KB that says that prices in the GE are controlled by players. That's a lie. Period. Unless you can convince me otherwise, I'm not going to sugar-coat my comments. It's *important* for at least a few people to be blunt and clear and direct about things, and as long as what I am saying is valid I will keep saying it. If I don't, who will -- you? I've seen what happens to RSOF mods who speak their minds. You've traded your voice for your precious crown and that's your decision, but it's really your issue, not mine. I have always given Jagex credit where I feel it is due, including recently. But I really do NOT appreciate being manipulated, and that's what I feel the company is doing -- again. What, like the thousands of posts on the various price correction threads have so far? Exactly how much time would it take for a J mod to post in a thread or on the main web page saying "we are working on X and here's roughly when we plan to have it ready"? Makoto: Most of your questions have been beaten to death in other threads, and #4 is addressed right in this very article. So sorry, but I'm not spending a bunch of time replying to you in detail.

Just curious what you mean by "woke up and smelled the coffee"?

There's a summary at the top of the article. Read faster. :D

(Originally published on TruthScape and copied here for the benefit of the Tip.It community and to spur discussion.) The TruthScape Soapbox - Issue #8 - A Lack of Communication, A Lack of Respect Published: January 2, 2008 Today Jagex implemented the last and perhaps most significant of its major policy changes meant to combat real world trading (RWT): the elimination of ÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ãâ¦Ã¢â¬ÅunbalancedÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬ÃâÃ

Does anyone know what the new slayer monster is?

Sorry, but the actual answer is "zero". You don't write code for each item. It's just entries in a database. The number could be changed in a matter of seconds. Jagex has had over a MONTH of people trying to tell them about bogus prices.

How many lines of code does it take to change the price of yew longs in the GE from 704 to 610?

If Jagex's goal was to eliminate rune running, why don't they just say so?