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I lol'd hard. The Azzanadra letter was particularly interesting, and the poems were hilarious. I love the picture of Jad and the chickens, too. The last line of Azzanadra's letter gave me chills.

It's all well and good that you can do herb runs or whatever to earn money, but you simply can't factor those in. If you want to, well, I make around 600k from GE merching + 100k from herbs an hour so: Armored Zombies: 980k profit, 103k XP Slayer: ~50k? profit, 65k XP We're talking about slayer, not herb farming. Trying to say you 'break even' with slayer just because your earning money some other way is inane. Did you read all of my posts? Honest question. I'm curious, because I've stated three or four times that I was addressing your comment that training slayer at maximum efficiency is a huge loss. I've never once mentioned Armored Zombies except to verbally punch the children who assumed that I was talking about them without reading my posts. Armored Zombies have absolutely nothing to do with it. Let's recap: I argue that I can fund my training Slayer at max speed through sentient activities that waste little to no time, such as farming and MTK, and I will still come out ahead, with more money than what I started with. THAT'S IT! THAT'S THE ARGUMENT! It has nothing to do with Avianses, it has nothing to do with zombies, I did not claim that Slayer was "l0l 934u504k an hour cus i can merch," I simply argued that you were wrong that training Slayer at max speed is a drain. It's clear that you did not read any of my posts, and it's clear that not one of the kids who attempted to argue with me read any of my posts. It's impossible to argue a point when the opposition ignores your argument in lieu of one that they would prefer to argue, regardless of it's relevance to the discussion. That said, enjoy your inability to comprehend basic English.

Good, glad to know you (finally) see the light. Now, as I was saying several pages before, slayer training cannoning every task possible, using piety and a summon etc. etc. actually loses money - and still receives WORSE combat XP then armored zombies. This leads me to believe that it is impossible to cite slayer as the 'best' or indeed, anywhere close to the best, combat training method - despite sweeping statements to the contrary by certain unenlightened folks. Please point me to the post in which I sweepingly claim Slayer to be superior combat experience and money to armored zombies. My entire point, by the way, was that it is very easy to fund using piety and a cannon on every applicable task while still coming out ahead. I'm sorry that you fail to understand such a simple concept.

Wow, you're the first person to completely and totally understand what I'm trying to say! Congratulations, sir! You win at least three internets! Thanks! I hope you this helped you understand that you cannot factor in extra earning rates not associated with a skill and trumpet it as 'profit'. Good to know! If I ever plan on doing such a thing, I'll keep your advice in mind.

Wow, you're the first person to completely and totally understand what I'm trying to say! Congratulations, sir! You win at least three internets!

This was your false statement that caused controversy. Slayer that way is not profitable you have to use other sources of income which you are now just saying. Let me revise my past statement: lols i mad muney gon 2 54 conztrustion bcus i did herb farmin dint know constrution was profitble. LOL at the fact that in the very next SENTENCE I state that I'm including herb runs. I am not just now saying that I'm utilizing other methods. I stated that in my SECOND post. Please read. How much work did you put into that herb farming? About five minutes per run, and as many runs as you care to do per day? O lawd dats phr33 munny. LOL at the fact that in your very first SENTENCE you state that you profit from slayer using piety and a cannon. That was your second post. Snapdragon seeds are 39.3k right now. At 6 herbs a seed you make a profit of 10k every seed. So 5 seeds for 50k. Its 50k. For 15 minutes of work its 50k. Now you say omg 50k for 15 minutes of work its free. WELL if you have 85 mining or 94 runecrafting you can make 200k+ every 15 minutes. EVEN if runs take 5 minutes you can still make 66k+ crafting double nats or mining rune. EVEN IF YOU DONT HAVE THOSE STATS YOU CAN RUN DOUBLE NATS for a lesser profit but still 125k every 15 minutes. What's your point? If you can utilize better ways to make money, then go for it! I'm able to fund my slaying at max speed with just herb runs and slayer points. And you're judging my entire argument by reading one sentence? We have no more to discuss. Obvious troll is obviously trolling.

This was your false statement that caused controversy. Slayer that way is not profitable you have to use other sources of income which you are now just saying. Let me revise my past statement: lols i mad muney gon 2 54 conztrustion bcus i did herb farmin dint know constrution was profitble. LOL at the fact that in the very next SENTENCE I state that I'm including herb runs. I am not just now saying that I'm utilizing other methods. I stated that in my SECOND post. Please read. How much work did you put into that herb farming? About five minutes per run, and as many runs as you care to do per day? O lawd dats phr33 munny.

All you said was you piety and do cannon and all that other stuff and profit. YOU NEVER MENTIONED and other source of income until latter posts. THEN YOU SAID you profited FROM SLAYER BY DOING OTHER SOURCES OF INCOME. And we said you didn't. [hide=]amg i traind construktion to 54 wit oak lerders nd den i fundoed it wit avinsie so id mad a profot. You can EASILY fund ANY SKILL its NOT HARD AT ALL[/hide] [hide=]Where did you state that you were not a man living in a box You didnt say it but i can assume right?[/hide] My point is you didnt say you soley profited with slayer and you didnt say you had other sources of income. My second post explained that I funded my slaying at maximum efficiency by utilizing the near zero work of other sources. I will not repeat what I've said in my past ten posts. You can not compare hours of killing avianses to fifteen minutes a day farming herbs. Your construction comment is in no way related. You can assume whatever you want, but when I've specifically stated otherwise, you'll only look the fool. EDIT: To the post above, that depends on how you're funding it. Are you pouring hours and hours of work into making the money, or are you doing little to no work?

Wait, wait... where in that post did I state that I am profiting solely from Slayer? I'm sorry, I just can't find it. I have, however, stated many, many times, that it is easy to fund Slayer while making a profit. So you're arguing against something which was never stated, I'm afraid.

My argument is that it is easy to fund training slayer at maximum efficiency while making a profit. I have explained this countless times now. Yes, correct, our arguement is that those funds and even those profits, do not originate(actually come from) slaying. PERIOD. you can't argue with that cuz its plain logical fact. When did I argue that all of the profits come from Slayer? Please find my post. I said, yet again, that it is easy to fund slayer and make a profit while doing a few minutes of nonslayer related work everyday. EDIT: Alright. Clearly none of you are reading my posts.

My argument is that it is easy to fund training slayer at maximum efficiency while making a profit. I have explained this countless times now.

Oh, well that's great! I'm glad that you made a profit on the stock market whilst casually selling popcorn to your neighbors. :)

The triple stack is... beautiful. :shock:

If you want to slay with maximum efficiency, you have to direct your cash flow towards it. We're not talking about casual Slayer here. If your cash flow includes sentient sources such as farming, MTK, and battlestaffs, then you include it in the calculations. Without farming, you'll probably cut it VERY close, but we're not here to discuss "what ifs." This debate has absolutely NOTHING to do with Armored Zombies. Compfreak stated that Slaying at maximum efficiency will result in a loss. I am stating that he is wrong. I have never once contended the fact that Armored Zombies are better combat experience and money. That's the second time I've had to say that I am not arguing about zombies. Please read my posts. Morning if you can do herb runs with your slayer we (mostly compfreak) can also add herb runs to our (his) armoured zombie profits. Read my posts. Slaying isnt making you any money it is losing you money but you get money from other resources to get you a net gain. You get money from herbs end of discussion. [hide=]If my job is selling popcorn and i lose $200 a day but in the stock market i made $300 did I make $100 selling popcorn?[/hide] That depends, are you dedicating all of your time to selling popcorn, doing it as quickly and as efficiently as possible, with the stock market income being a sentient moneymaker? If so, then you're making money while training your popcorn selling skill. WE ARE NOT TALKING CASUAL SLAYER. If you have never slayed at maximum speed, you can't possibly add to this discussion. Unfortunately, that could mean that I'm talking to myself.

If you want to slay with maximum efficiency, you have to direct your cash flow towards it. We're not talking about casual Slayer here. If your cash flow includes sentient sources such as farming, MTK, and battlestaffs, then you include it in the calculations. Without farming, you'll probably cut it VERY close, but we're not here to discuss "what ifs." This debate has absolutely NOTHING to do with Armored Zombies. Compfreak stated that Slaying at maximum efficiency will result in a loss. I am stating that he is wrong. I have never once contended the fact that Armored Zombies are better combat experience and money. That's the second time I've had to say that I am not arguing about zombies. Please read my posts. Morning if you can do herb runs with your slayer we (mostly compfreak) can also add herb runs to our (his) armoured zombie profits. Read my posts.

If you want to slay with maximum efficiency, you have to direct your cash flow towards it. We're not talking about casual Slayer here. If your cash flow includes sentient sources such as farming, MTK, and battlestaffs, then you include it in the calculations. Without farming, you'll probably cut it VERY close, but we're not here to discuss "what ifs." This debate has absolutely NOTHING to do with Armored Zombies. Compfreak stated that Slaying at maximum efficiency will result in a loss. I am stating that he is wrong. I have never once contended the fact that Armored Zombies are better combat experience and money. That's the second time I've had to say that I am not arguing about zombies. Please read my posts.

What if I tell you I got that money by planting herbs, buying battlestaves, and managing Miscellania every day? Then am I training construction without losing money? The point, which you've missed, is that net gain is irrelevant. Everything is a net gain, because you start with nothing. The only money that matters is what you get from the activity you're comparing. You can't just go and say, "I can train construction without losing money," and when you're asked to prove it, say that all you need to do is kill aviansies in between construction runs. If I were killing avianses between tasks, I would then be killing avianses and using the money to slay. You can do a herb run in such a small amount of time to be practically nonexistent. It's free money, basically. If you're able to fund construction with such a small amount of work, exactly like the methods you described, then you are practically training it for free. You've done little to no work yet you've accumulated a healthy amount of cash. The same concept applies to Slayer. I'm funding my cannon and piety use through methods that subtract very little time from my slaying.

So we completely ignore relevant money making methods that most decent players use, which requires almost zero time for large profit? Am I allowed to ignore other important aspects of gameplay to be right? I guarantee you that 9/10 high level slayers farm herbs for extra profit. It's foolish to ignore that. Also, I must be epic h@x1ng cause I have yet to lose money cannoning. I can't possibly imagine what you're doing wrong, but you have described yourself as slaying casually. That's probably it. You can't include it in the profits of slayer because it is unrelated to slayer. I'd think that would be obvious. I mean, when I started playing, I had 25 gp in my bank. Now I have tens of millions and level 69 in construction. So I made lots of money from construction? Really? How'd you do that? Because, you know, having money and a high construction level MUST mean that you made money from construction! Yeah! =D> No. Would you seriously train slayer at max efficiency without dedicating fifteen minutes of your day to drastically curving the cost? No, you wouldn't. Not unless you happen to have stockpiled a few party hat sets and you have more money than you'll ever need, or you're getting VERY lucky at GWD. So how did you make that money for your construction level? Do we disregard that and say that it took you a few hours to get to 69 construction? No, we don't. You spent time away from your oak larder to get that money, so you count that towards your time training construction. EDIT: To the above post, he can absolutely add that. We're not discussing Slayer being better, we're discussing the fact that you're NOT losing millions and millions training Slayer at full efficiency. Comp is absolutely right in his assessment that zombies are better money and combat experience than Slayer, but we're not discussing that.

Perfectly and painlessly? cuz I've been trying like hell to get it done properly and I always end up getting in 'funny' positions and cut myself pretty bad. :-w Takes practice and a steady hand. :thumbup:

So we completely ignore relevant money making methods that most decent players use, which requires almost zero time for large profit? Am I allowed to ignore other important aspects of gameplay to be right? I guarantee you that 9/10 high level slayers farm herbs for extra profit. It's foolish to ignore that. Also, I must be epic h@x1ng cause I have yet to lose money cannoning. I can't possibly imagine what you're doing wrong, but you have described yourself as slaying casually. That's probably it.

If we take a sample size of 100 tasks, here's what I got. I'm rounding all of my numbers down. 100 tasks = 2400 slayer points = 4420000 GP (current death rune price, mid) That buys about 546 prayer potions(4), which is equal to about five prayer potions per task covered just from slayer points. Keep in mind that tasks such as spectres, dags, and mutated velds, piety becomes a little pointless, as most of the work is being done by the cannon and combat familiar. If we're doing dags in the CT, we can use piety again, and we can also assume a decent profit. Decent as far as Slayer goes. We also assume that we do frequent snapdragon runs, which I'm sure that you and I both do. Assuming ~6 herbs per patch, we make about 50k per run. I assume that most players get a little more than 6 per patch, on average, but we'll be conservative. Here's where it can vary greatly from player to player. How often do you do herb runs? I usually do around four a day, on average, so that's about 200k a day for about 15 minutes of work. That pays for roughly 24 prayer potions(4). So now we're getting closer to paying for a large chunk of our piety costs. Many tasks, such as spectres, nechs, abyssals, dark beasts, CT dags, mutated velds, etc, will pay for the cost of doing that task. In fact, looking through the list, the only tasks that will most certainly make a loss are: Hellhounds Kalphites Baby black dragons Suqahs Scabarites (debatable, since the task is extremely quick and you waste very little cash for a large amount of crimsons) Waterfiends (very debatable, as the crimsons can be considered part of the profit) Greater Demons Goraks (very fast task, losses will be minimum) Steel dragons (tasks are too slow to be worth the minimal profit) And... that's it! If you're taking advantage of your block list, you shouldn't be getting hounds, demons, steels, or kalphites. So that leaves five (or three if you like Summoning) tasks that will put a dent in your profits. If you have 85 mining, you should be making a very tidy profit from Dark Beasts. I haven't included special drops such as whips, dark bows, etc. If you average about one pair of dragon boots per task, mages are profitable. So as you can see (hopefully, it looks like a mess up there,) Slayer can be decently profitable using piety and a cannon. Most tasks pay for themselves, and with slayer points and herb runs, the special drops should provide the bulk of the profit. I have yet to mention that using piety and a cannon will allow you to slay at near max speed. More tasks done = more money made. In the end, like you said in another thread, it comes down to experience. In my experience, Slayer is profitable at max speed. I suppose I should mention that MTK and Battlestaffs should provide further compensation.

I agree. I'm positive that this isn't going to kill Slayer, and that the fastest way to gain Slayer experience will still be through tasks. I'm very curious to see the rewards at this point.

Whoa, since when is Runescape community-based? Did I miss a meeting? Such eloquence. It's rare to see someone sum up with such clearness why I prefer to play this game alone. I lol'd. =D>

I'm just like you, actually. What I do is: Herb run Craft for the duration of one Abyssal Lurker (two if I'm feeling up to it) Take a break if I did one Lurker, herb run if I did two That right there is probably around 400k or so. I didn't look at your RC level, but if it's 59, and you have 62 Farming, you can easily do this. Even with Ranarrs it'd be good.

I have not. Why? Cashing in your points for runes is a great way to fund using piety and a cannon on all of your tasks. The slayer experience is costly, and for just 10k, my hard work is better spent elsewhere. So, again, no I have not spent any of my points on the experience. Like most people, I unlocked the Helm, ring, and bolts/arrows first. I spend all of my points when I get to about 150-200. EDIT: To comment on your post above, you slay monsters to accumulate those points, and that experience reward comes at a hefty price. You are still slaying for that experience.