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Look down the sight, hold it in place to let it lock onto a spot on the ground (or follow a vehicle to lock onto the vehicle) and when the sounds changes to a constant beep, hit the trigger and you shoot the missile.

TTanT, take her ice skating. It's great fun, if you're good at it you get to show off and if you aren't... it's still fun :thumbup: That's what I'm gonna be doing this weekend :P

If it's just you and your friend duoing it you should do just fine. Just remember to bring a super set, antipoison, antifire pots, and a lot of food.

I shall celebrate it the way I celebrate most holidays, by not going to school. :thumbsup:

Only 6 long levels left until I get my third cape :D In real life, it was a pretty interesting day. Neighbors came over, and now I'm seeing avatar tomorrow (well technically today but...) and I have a date this Sunday. :thumbsup:

Only 6m more to go :P I actually have all the living minerals I need to get 99 too, I just don't have enough members left. 9 days left ftl <_< And even though I do have a 4 day weekend, something tells me fishing almost 16,000 rocktail is a little out of my reach. I'll probably get more members soon though, so I can use the rest of those living minerals

Yep, I do. Don't use it much when I'm typing though, and never for a school related thing like an essay.

It was a good day by ice cube is a great song. Today was a pretty good day. Had 3 finals at school today that I feel pretty good about. After school went to a basketball game, my school won 66-65 in the final seconds. Then we went to the grocery store to buy ice cream :thumbsup: Still have 3 more finals tomorrow though, then a 4 day weekend which will be nice.

Cute kid man :) Someone can go ahead and unindex my picture, link doesn't work. I'll post a new one soon.

hey I'm gonna be in new jersey this summer :thumbsup: I'm pretty sure back home in Virginia there's no medical marijuana or gay marriage. Honestly they're probably making the medicinal stuff legal so they can say that it has all these benefits, then eventually make all marijuana legal.

I always read the blogs! (at least, the 5 most recent ones when I get back to school and others throughout the day) Welcome to tipit :thumbsup:

Yeah that probably would be normal. I think it's ok though, unless she's one of your younger sisters friends....

Mck you nub, using the scrying pool :P

Yeah, the alcohol will evaporate out so I hope he doesn't think he'll get drunk from eating cake... If he microwaves it I don't think there's much risk of fire, it will probably just damage the microwave and make his parents mad.

Off to ivy!!!

You named you penis Timmeh? ...okay... I wouldn't recommend inviting yourself places, but I heavily respect your decision to improve yourself before going girl chasing. Good thinking . Invite people to go places with you, not vice versa. Dark_Aura is Tim irl, on RuneScape we call him Timmeh, so I am used to call him Timmeh. I guess that would work too. :oops: lol, I'm not used to calling TIF folk by their actual names. In fact I only know the real name of a few of you guys (IGoddessI, Serephurus, Hextriplet, IamDan) And I assume Ross_the_knight's real name is Ross. But I have no idea. Mine is Andrew :P I think the best way to do these things is to get a few friends, ask if they want to go to the beach on x day at x time, then once the few of you are going you start to ask pretty much everyone else to go, then you get to be the guy who hosted the awesome party at the beach. Then people will hopefully start inviting you to parties and stuff.

Dude I live right next to North Carolina! Abc, try it out. Even if it won't work out in the long run you'll still be able to see her that one day.

Talk to the girl (and the friend who lives in the house) and make sure it's ok if you go. Then ask your uncle if you can go. If he says yes, then go over! Also, you could take your brother along too and he could play with his friend. It might help convince your uncle to let you go if he's not the type who would let you do it.

Greetings! Yeah no one says greetings. It's an accepted greeting it just takes that much less effort to type hi or hey than it does greetings.

...Amazing! I've never mined a star :P

I didn't post it but I have it saved on my computer. here it is: [warning: VERY long. it's over 40 pages in word. ] [hide] A mistake you made: Asking her where she goes to school. That's a question you save for when you're trying to build comfort. Build comfort before attraction and you get put in the lets just be friends column. Wait until she starts giving indicators of interest. Things like asking you your name, whether you are single etc. A cool thing you can do is tell her about the cube, then take her hand and lead her to a nearby seat or something. It's a compliance test, which will help you because she is getting familiar with you being an alpha male. You can also squeeze her hand, if she squeezes back it's an indicator of interest - then you can move onto comfort. If she doesn't you need to build more attraction so make the cube interpretations unrealistic and funny. So my questions are: 1. How can I get her to notice me as more than just another guy 2. Should I ask her out now, or wait a while 3. What should I tell the other girl so she knows I don't like her Talk to the first girl when they are both together, it gives you a chance to demonstrate value to her friend, and afterward you can talk to the new girl alone because you've already had a conversation with her. Don't ask her out until she indicates interest and engages you back when you flirt with her. As for asking her out, I just have to post this great way to do it. In the middle of a conversation bring up something cool you're doing but don't invite her. Then towards the end you can say 'you know what, you're pretty cool you should come along to x' Take a piece of paper and pen, write you number on part of it and rip the paper in half, hand her the other half with the pen. She'll know what to do with it, then just exchange pieces of paper. Then continue the conversation for at least 5 minutes, because otherwise she will be thinking the number was your goal and might get buyers remorse. Don't bother telling the girl you aren't interested, women have great intuition. She will probably just know, if she doesn't, she will figure it out when you start talking less to her and more to her friend. Just don't ignore her, it's low value. Do some research on peacocking - I started 2 trends that way when I was at school which kinda defeated the purpose One more thing, when you ask a girl out, don't go to the movies. The purpose of a 'date' is to make time to show her personality and let her show you yours. At a movie you just sit there in the dark in silence, do something original and fun. For example I love taking girls ice skating. In Australia most people have never done it. It's cheap, fun, and you can demonstrate value by teaching her. Think about this: A guys attraction is based on around 20% personality, 80% looks. Girls use makeup, attention getting clothes etc to enhance their attraction. They learned how to use makeup from somebody. A Girls attraction is based on 80% personality, 20% looks. The thing is, most guys don't go out and learn anything to enhance their own attraction. I don't see what's wrong with knowing what's attractive and using it. Sure they use canned lines, but only as beginners. If you use pre prepared stuff that you know works, you don't even have to think about it. You can keep your mouth moving while you concentrate on important things like your body language, voice tone, the girl or groups' reactions etc. Once you have that nailed, you know enough about the theory to use your own stuff and make it all real. Try out negging if you want, but I wouldn't suggest doing it to highschool girls. The reason why negging works on more attractive girls that are 23+ is because they are used to guys drooling over them. If you neg a girl that isn't used to it, they can get the idea you're 'too good' for them, and just reject you for the self esteem boost. Negging works on attractive women who have been approached by lots of guys who all do the same nice guy stuff, and drool over their looks. If you neg, she gets curious as to why you don't act the way other guys do. It also is effective for removing the '[bleep] shield' that attractive women tend to have, to get rid of low value guys. Basically they get a temporary slight drop in self esteem because they aren't getting the same reaction as they are used to from low value guys, so they might give fake indicators of interest, subconscious tests etc to see if they can 'win him over' to get that esteem back. That's when the flirting can start, and 'it's on'. Most girls in HS don't have [bleep] shields, (if they do it's an immaturity issue) and they aren't hit on by 15 new guys a day. I suggest using disqualifiers instead, mixed with being cocky funny. Instead of telling her she has something between her teeth, tell her she's funny but too bad she isn't your type etc. Blowing your nose in front of them is also a great disqualifier. Only use these in attraction though. As a general rule I use negging on 9's and 10's only, maybe 1 neg on 8s but I just kinda use my gut feeling if I should or not. To each his own I guess. When people hit 18+ they tend to have lots of short term relationships that don't end up meaning much. In high school people seemed to have LTRs, then moved onto shorter ones, then after they get over the rush move back to LTRs. This is just in general by the way, there will always be exceptions. It's just my opinion that all these short term relationships don't mean much, and if it works they weren't all that great together anyway. Ultimately it's the girls choice, it's not like I can 'trick' her into doing it. As Lenticular said, she wouldn't do it unless she wanted to, and it won't work on a serious relationship unless they were having lots of problems already. The thing about dating a jerk is also a good point. Especially if she is in a physically abusive relationship and won't go to the police and won't leave him because she loves him, I sure as hell would want to know how to kill her sexual desire for him. Anyway, here's a cool little trick you guys can use to DHV, but you will need a wing to do it. This is the secret to a lot of high end magic tricks, so just tell 1 guy friend who you can do it with and leave it at that, if you tell the girl it ruins it for her anyway. You can use this to 'guess' her birthday/parents anniversary/some other special date. Tell her to write it down and not show you, your wing then takes it and folds it after secretly glancing at it. He then asks you to give the month and date, and telling you the date using keywords. You can hold the paper, or have her hold the paper and you put your hands over hers, or whatever you want to sell the trick. 1- I 2- go/so 3- try 4- will 5- could/would 6-please 7- quickly/perhaps 8- now 9- alright 10/0- ok. 1-7 are easy to remember because it's just number = letters in word. Your wing then says for August 27, "Guess the month now" now = 8 = Aug. So guess the date quickly, so + quickly, 2+7, 27. The trick is to sell it. Guess the date 1 day off, have the wing say he doesn't know how you do it etc. It's great to use sarging a set when clubbing, or even just at a party. Here's what I think you did wrong. Note that this is only from a solid game's point of view, and nobody has any game in high school anyway. It doesn't mean you have no chance with her, it's just what you shouldn't do next time for better results. It sounds like you said jokes hoping for a reaction. If you wait for a response, you lose value. Bring her into your own reality, you don't need to care if she laughs or not, you're just talking and she is listening. You traded numbers too early in my opinion. Since you traded numbers before she was attracted to you, she is just thinking it's as friends. Asking for her number before attraction seals the deal for you being in the friends column. Your biggest mistake was spilling your feelings early, never do this. If you like her and she doesn't like you, where is the challenge? It's not alpha male, it's beta. You need to attract her, get her qualifying herself to you and let her win you over. That's the easiest and most efficient way of it happening, any other way and you're bumbling along by pure chance. Imagine holding a piece of string above a cat. It goes nuts right? The cat will chase it around the house and over furniture trying to get that thing. As soon as you give it the string, it might play with it for a second and then walk away. I realize how derogatory this sounds, but it's the same case with women and I can't think of a better way to explain it. Everybody appreciates things they have to work for, much much more than if it were given to them. Limiting supplies is a great marketing strategy and it uses the same concept. It doesn't seem like she was acting like she likes you, it takes time. With solid game it can only take 20 minutes. You'd need to wait at least a week. Girls can also give out fake IOIs subconsciously, if you think it's too early then ignore them. In school it can be hard for a beginner to find IOI's, you should have let her ask you for your number first because that is an obvious one. I would drop the liking thing with her, wait a little while and then start disqualifying her while building attraction. To build attraction, show her you are the leader of men, you have a sense of humor, you are a catch, and you are preselected by women. More alpha less beta. Force yourself to say something. Anything. Ask them what they did that day or what they are doing later on. If you see something about them comment on it. If they have a x band shirt ask them if they went to their last concert. If they look unhappy ask them about it. If it's a cold day comment on it, if you saw something interesting in the news tell them about it If you get into a habit of not talking, it's hard to keep a conversation going. Force yourself to talk and you will get used to thinking on the spot, and it will become easier over time. Just a question, what do you think about guys having to pay when they take a girl out to a date? "Hey, I'm too insecure to think you might like me for my personality, so I'm going to try and buy your love. I actually don't buy my other friends stuff, so technically I'm trying to manipulate you." That's what it will project most of the time. Don't be a cheapskate but don't pay for everything either. After you are in a relationship, do whichever you want. Personally I like a balance. I shout sometimes, they shout sometimes - it all evens out. Example: I went out with a girl a couple nights ago. We split the cost of dinner, she bought a bottle of scotch after, I bought the coke and ice, plus I drove. We didn't plan it or talk about it, I just had the frame of not paying for everything. I'm a 7th grader. Shes an 8th grader. She is drop dead gorgeous(In my eyes at least). But, I don't know if I should tell her you know, hey I think your really pretty. Like and just come straight out and say that. Like, I just don't know where to go from here...Help? Depending on how you do it, that's either low or high value. If you do, make sure as hell you are confident about it. Keep eye contact, keep a deep and steady voice tone, talk slowly etc. It can actually work if you do it right. It won't make her fall in love with you, but it will let you start a conversation with her. I don't see how being in the same class would change the universal laws of attraction. I would talk to her, but not much seeing as you don't know her. As I said earlier, you pretty much need no game in high school because nobody else has it, but I'll give you a solid way to go about it. Throw in a little joke/story/tease every now and then. DVH and flip the preselection, humor and leader of men switches. If you DHV and then stop talking to her, that's a disqualifier to get her curious about you. Slowly talk to her more and over often and move from attraction to comfort as she starts winning you over. ehh, sounds too needy imo As I said a few pages back, I've found the best way to go on a 'date' is to mention something cool you're doing halfway through the conversation, and tell her she can tag along towards the end of it. Not trying to undermine you or anything rpg but here's my analysis of that invitation: "Since you're not doing anything, want to see a movie?" - Well you aren't doing anything, so since you have nothing better to do you can go out with me if you want. Please? You should be doing her a favor by letting her join you. There is nothing else she could do that would be more fun than hang with you, and you're doing that thing anyway so it doesn't effect your plans if she comes or not. That way it's more confident and alpha at your end, and less commitment on her end. If she decides she doesn't want to go after saying yes, it's much easier since you are going anyway. That way she won't say no as a 'fail safe' in case she changes her mind later. Also as I said earlier, movies are a bad idea. Best doing something original, and something where you don't sit in the dark not talking to each other for an hour or 2. i hate girls who say "sooo...." and expect the male to carry on the entire conversation. basically my response is "so, what?" "idk your not saying anything" "maybe if i didn't already say everything i could possibly use to keep your attention i would actually still be able to have a conversation with you" "so....." That's actually an indicator of interest in a lot of situations. If the conversation stops, she can easily just leave but she's trying to rekindle it. Sometimes I stop the conversation deliberately to see if she does it. Girls do little tests, I think subconsciously to test your personality. If you act like the real deal but then fail her tests then you lose. They do things like getting you to jump through hoops, such as buying them a drink. They might also change the conversation to sex to see if you get all excited. Sometimes a girl will neg you too. Examples: 2 couches in your house, and she sits on the opposite one to you to see if you go over to hers. You're a jerk. I'm a jerk. (no emphasis on 'I'm' btw) Can you buy me a drink? I will if you sing me x song. (grab the hoop and make her jump through it) Look, I'm not putting out. I'm actually gay, if you don't wanna talk that's fine I'll go meet someone else. (This is something I've said and she dragged me back to her) These tests are usually good things (other than the last example which was her assuming I was trying to get laid before I opened my mouth) If they aren't at least somewhat interested in you, they wouldn't test you. This story is sad. It began as a normal day, except it was pretty much sunny outdoors. I had nobody to go out with, as the guys I play soccer with were abroad. My two "dating" plans failed, because one of the girls kept procrastinating on our date (and I fear that's a sure LJBF) and the second one didn't even answer my message I left her on facebook, even though we said some things irl, that we'll meet or something... and then there was this third one.If she's procrastinating you meeting then tell her you have other [cabbage] to do and other girls to meet, if she wants to be flaky then it's her loss and if she still wants to meet you'll think about it She's my neighbor, however, she's a writer, too. She made several books, just like me. I didn't see her for a long time, so I met her this one time near our block, we had a talk like how life went on, and said we'll go out and talk more. Today was the day, so I was pretty eager to talk to her, since, as I stated before, we didn't met for several years. We went on a walk, some small talk became, but we were approaching a certain part of the city, where a lot of my memories were. A lot of my inspiration, a lot of my past. She wanted to see it, and me too, so our direction was clear. We made frequent stops at benches on the way, where we delved more into our private lives. Like what happened, what's happening, how our looks on life was. I could agree with her on so many points, and she did, too. This was no usual meeting. Then, we got on the place I was talking about. Memories came flooding to me, and as she saw the spraypaint job on one of the walls, made by me, expressing what I felt for the place, she had goosebumps and it all became very epic to her. Now, we said a lot of things we wouldn't tell to someone else about our pasts, what led us to drawing, how it all began and where we inspired. About our downfalls and victories, too. She said she didn't feel this for a long time, and I didn't, too. You killed the romance and mystery. Where is the challenge? You don't want to be that guy who she spills her deepest secrets to, that's INSTANT ljbf. Attraction before comfort. Attraction before comfort. If you build comfort first there is no sexual tension whatesoever, it's just 2 people 'getting along.' Get her interested in you, get her qualifying herself to you. Then she can spark your interest, and then you start caring about her personal life. Then, as we were going away, this [bleep] up idea came to my mind. I asked her out - even mentioning Verlaine and Rimbaud - and started telling her stuff about being a, well, couple. She said she was completely shocked, surprised, and told me two boys asked her out last week, so she had to think it over. But I knew what's this about. We went home and she forgot her cell phone in my pocket ( we were shopping and she needed me to hold it for a while ). I came to her house, rang a bell, and then she came to the door. Her look was terrible. It was nearly saying "what more do you want, you loser?" So I gave the phone back and walked home.You spilled your feelings, and she felt weirded out because saying things to each other that you wouldn't others is things friends do, you were her friend in her mind not anything else. When he says/does something attractive, reward him with ioi's but still be a challenge. As for asking him out, just invite him to come along with something you and your friends are doing. Ehh.. Read my kino post a few pages back about touching. Use that to escalate, if she's your girlfriend all you have to do is kiss her. A cool thing you can do, is this trust test. It's kino escalation, ioi test and a compliance test all in 1. I only use it when I'm on the border between attraction and comfort but you can use it with a girlfriend if you want. Take her hand so yours are in front of you palms up and hers are palms down, squeeze let go and lower your hands. If she squeezes back, ioi. If she follows your hands with hers, bigger ioi. You don't even have to tell her what you were doing. If she asks just tell her it was a psychological trust test, make sure you never give a negative response. So if she doesn't squeeze, or she doesn't lower her hands with yours then tell her she is still building a connection with you. If you are really that nervous when it comes to kissing, here is a quote from my book on that aspect. I didn't come up with this but I can't remember where I got it from. Quote After you have built up comfort and escalated kino, lean in and smell her. Tell her she smells good. Go on to talk about how animals smell each other before they mate, and evolution has it to trigger arousal for us. Then talk about how lions bite their manes before sex, and pulling at the back of the hair is another trigger. Run your fingers up the back of her neck through the base of her hair, grab a good handful at the roots and give a firm tug. Then go on to say that the most sensitive parts of the body are the parts hidden from sunlight and air, not many people know this. For example, the crease on the inside of your elbow. Take her arm and give her an erotic bite. She might pull away, but its not necessarily a bad thing. Its sensitive so she might be pulling away because it feels so good. If she has gone along so far you can continue. Tell her that the best thing is a bite right here, and point to your neck. Tell her to bite your neck and point to it. If she refuses, do a small freezeout. This is when you cut off all escalation, cat string theory basically. If you dangle a piece of string a cat will chase it all over the house, if you drop it, it walks away. If she refuses, punish her by turning your head away for a few seconds. Then turn back and calmly repeat yourself. Bite me right here. She will do it, almost guaranteed. If she doesnt you ****ed up in either attraction, qualification or comfort. Usually you will get a pathetic bite, and tell her she did it wrong. Sweep her hair aside and show her how its done. Take a large amount of flesh, then bring your teeth together so the skin sort of slides out and youre left with only a little amount of skin. Then tell her to try again on you. If you do it right, you will both be so aroused and into the natural escalation that the kiss will just come. I've successfully used it at the end of attraction phase as I'm shifting into comfort and trust. It allows you to get to know them, captures and leads their imagination, and makes them laugh. Below is the routine quoted from one of Tyler D's posts. "STYLE'S EV ROUTINE: -what is the experience you most enjoy doing? (she'll say dancing or being with family or something) -what is the ideal scenario of you doing that thing. descrive it.. -so picturing that RIGHT NOW, how do you feel.. what emotions? -"so really then, while I was asking you this, you smiled.. and yeah its kind of because I'm being a bit funny or weird or whatever.. but also, its because you could kind of feel that emotion right now, while we were talking about it.. can you feel it.. blah blah" -so really then, even though your favourite experience is dancing, your core value is fun and excitement.. So what's most important to you is the experience of fun and excitement, and whatever leads you to that is most important.. blah blah -OK, so in 4 minutes we've fulfilled your quest for core value. You can die now. IOW, -FAVOURITE ACTIVITY -DESCRIPTION OF HER FAVOURITE ACTIVITY IN AN IDEAL SETTING -WHAT EMOTION SHE GETS WHILE SHE PICTURES THIS -SHOW HER THAT SHE EXPERIENCED THIS EMOTION WHILE PICTURING IT -SHOW HER THAT WHAT SHE REALLY WANTS IS NOT SO MUCH THE ACTIVITY (ALTHOUGH ITS IMPORTANT), BUT THE EMOTIONAL FULFILLMENT SHE GETS FROM IT -TELL HER SHE CAN DIE NOW" Getting 3 word answers is normal, I explained why a few pages back. I suggest building attraction by triggering the attraction switches I mentioned earlier, wait until you know she is interested and then move onto the open ended questions to build comfort. Ehhh... Jealously is low value, and so is suffocating her. She's your girlfriend, unless you start being a [bleep] or just jealous and needy you have nothing to worry about, so don't be jealous and needy. When you're officially in a relationship you can be the nice guy, but you still need to throw in some stuff to attract her to keep the spark going. If she is hanging out with her ex, and you get jealous, you're conveying to her that he has a higher value than you and you're worried she will realize that and go for him instead. If you aren't worried, you show you know you have the higher value and he doesn't matter because he doesn't stand a chance, which is attractive. Personally I would just tell her I had a bad day or something, and I don't feel threatened and she can hang out with whoever she wants. Why would it upset you honestly? Show her you have a high value, that she is free to hang with whoever, that you don't feel insecure about her hanging with him, and (if the relationship has only been a couple months) you have a willingness to walk away because you're a catch and can find somebody else. If she doesn't know anyone you are at an advantage, perfect opportunity to talk to her then go talk to other people and come back later. Tell stories and trigger the attraction switches. (humor, pre selection, being emotive, influencing her emotions, (good and bad) social proof, smiling, confidence, protector of loved ones, willingness to walk away etc etc) If you want you can use that eliciting values routine I posted a few pages back. Have a gander at the touching ladder I posted, look for IOIs (ending silence, hair touching, scratching, body language, touching, leaning in etc etc) and continue escalating the touching, until you feel it's right to do the "do you want to kiss me?" line. If anything make sure you lean back, have confident but friendly body language, pay attention to your voice tone and volume and disqualify her. I just had to post this cool disqualifier I heard a girl say: (after they say/do something you disagree with) "Note to self, do not date this guy/girl." Jerks have attractive qualities. Leader of men and women, social proof, confidence, willingness to walk away, ability to affect her emotions and having a strong identity are all attraction switches that jerks trigger. Obviously you can still have these qualities and not be a jerk. I disagree partly, though the part about being spontaneous is important. Pre planned conversations, or routines work well when inexperienced because you can concentrate on things like your voice speed and tone, your body language, their body language, what you're going to do next etc. Almost all of the communication is non vocal, what you say is much much less important than how you say it. Pre planned stories also allow you to be more efficient in flipping the attraction switches when not used to talking a lot. Actual conversations can't really be planned, but once you start using the same routines over and over on new people you learn all the possible conversation threads and already have responses for them. With a little knowledge and practice you can make it look natural. It's done all the time by people who tell a story more than once. Conversing for beginners is just about taking one or more of the key words from the other person's sentence and talking about those. Thought I'd post a couple more random tips: Another way to deal with 'tests' (explained in an earlier post) is to agree with them and exaggerate it. examples: That (item of clothing) makes you look gay. That's because I am super gay, I made out with like 20 dudes today. Is that some sort of pickup line? Yeah my mum gave it to me, is it working? No you can't have my number. Good idea, I'll probably call you like 40 times a day and try to get to you meet my parents for the wedding preparations. Role playing: I'm going to x country for the holidays. omg sounds fun, wish I could go Yeah, I'll take you in my suitcase and sneak down to the baggage compartment and give you my plane peanuts. We can.... etc That's it we're breaking up, you can keep the dog but I want my cd's back. You can go through a series of breakups, re-marriages, love triangles, make up sex etc. his brings her though a range of emotions (read up on neuro-linguistic programming if interested in how it works) and the ability to effect her emotions (both good and bad) is one of the attraction switches I mentioned earlier. 3rd tip of the day is avoid trying to sell yourself. If you talk about yourself to somebody (unless it's a story) it sounds like you are selling yourself to them and portrays that you have the lower value. None of the "yeah I'm sore because I had a weight training sessions today, I benched like 400" etc. Instead, if you want to demonstrate qualities, you do it through stories. To demonstrate pre-selection, instead of saying, "I have an ex gf" start a story with "A couple months ago I was at my gf's place and...." You can add something funny you did to stick up for her, that's 3 attraction switches in 1 story. You need to flip them over and over. In a story concentrate more on feelings and emotions than what happened. A comedian just switches from joke to joke with no real connection, you can do the same with stories. Another way is to talk up a friend. "You should meet sam he works with dolphins/he does this cool thing where he can guess your bday(explained the trick in an earlier post)/he can hold his breath for 10 minutes" Or whatever you want. People align themselves with those with equal or higher value, if they aligned themselves with those of a lower value it would lower their own. If you tell them about a great friend, it raises their value. Since they have aligned them self with you, it raise your value also. Plus it raises your value further because you are being a good friend. Ehhhh, I know how you feel dude. I had depression for 3-4 years and words can't describe how much it sucks. Not saying you're depressed, but I know what it's like to feel how you do, and what train of though you need to get out of it. I wanted to post this so you would hopefully start fixing the problems before they get worse. The worse they get the harder they are to fix them. You have inner game and confidence issues, I really suggest reading mastering your hidden self by serge king. As for feeling worthless, read this: Different parts of your brain light up and connect with each other in different situations. The more times they light up together, the more connected they are and the more easily they both light up together. Part of your ear is what helps you balance, when you walk across a balance beam, tip to the left then correct yourself, billions of parts of your brain are all lighting up and connecting. Do this enough times and you get good balance. If you feel depressed and then turn on your tv, these parts of your brain light up and connect with each other. Do it a few times and you will be depressed every time you turn on your tv. This can happen with every thing in life, and is what leads to a downward spiral of feeling [cabbage]ty all the time. I want you to look for good things and point them out to yourself, no matter how small they are. When it's a nice day, when you don't have to wait long for the bus, when a friend lends you $5 etc. It will get easier the more times you do it, and it will definitely help because you are starting to relate good thoughts to different things, and make new connections over the old. After a while of doing this, it's only a matter of being more social and putting yourself in more fun situations. I used to speak maybe 3 sentences in a week, and always be at home. This went on for years. Now people are amazed with all the stories I have of the stuff I get into. As for feeling worthless, this is counterproductive in attracting women and life in general. I'm an extreme case, but I have a ridiculous amount of confidence, and I honestly think all girls can't keep their grubby paws off me. Call me arrogant/vain/a jerk or whatever you want, but it works out pretty well. Nothing will fall in your lap, you need to know you deserve it, and take it. Remember: You are amazing. People love you and respect you. You radiate charisma,charm, and grace. You stand out from everyone around you. Talking to you is a privilege. And you deserve the best the world has to offer. It's all out there , waiting for you to take it. Know this. Tell the mirror this every day to hard wire it into yourself if you want. It sounds cheesy, but it's true. Mage_Man0103 said: I have been reading all of your posts in the relationships and I was wondering if you could give me advice beyond those? If possible I'd like to learn what responses for the cube I should give certain traits to. (Such as cube colour means what kind of personality, it doesn't have to be specific, I'd rather it was a touch on the broad side so I can adjust it for me.) I'd also like some advice on what sort of things to say in a disqualifier, what a DVH is (sorry if it is misspelt,) and when to use attraction switches and what to choose when peacocking. I felt that PM would be the better place to go as several people seem to highly disapprove of your methods. I just want to learn as much as possible. For the record I am 17, 18 in April next year. With the cube, I basically just bull [cabbage] my way though and was told it was pretty accurate even the first time I used it. Cold reading is all about saying things that are vague and could apply to anyone, but sounds specific. Then you use the person's reaction and go on from there. Also use what you already know about the person. Neil taught me the and/but/or rule. If you say something and they are positive (nodding head, smiling etc) say 'and....' then go on. If their reaction is negative, (they shake their head, say not really etc) say 'or/but...' then go on. For example if their cube was floating: "Most people have their cubes on the ground, you must be a creative person (not really) or you feel that you think differently to most (nods head) and you're an independent thinker." If you want you can research colour meanings online, but it shouldn't really matter. A disqualifier is pretty easy to do. If they are really attractive like a high 8, 9 or a 10, or if they think they are really attractive then you need to neg them, sometimes 4 times in a row. A disqualifier is easiest to do using push/pull. "You're funny, too bad you're not my type." "That's witty, too bad you're still a dork." Another great one is if you tease her about something, or if she disagrees with you on something: "Wow, we've only known each other for like 30 seconds and we're already not getting along." The attraction switches are things like pre-selection, leader of men/women, (social proof) protector of loved ones, ability to effect her emotions, confidence, smiling, humor, being well groomed, willingness to walk away, identify and a fun lifestyle she wants to be a part of. These are the qualities of an alpha male, and they are what you need to demonstrate through routines and stories over and over until you start getting indicators of interest. (IOIs) Then you can move onto the next stage which is qualification, then comfort. If you stay in attraction it will work against you and you can lose the girl even though she liked you. DHV is just demonstration of a higher value, which basically means to trigger to attraction switches. The 2 goals of peacocking: 1. To wear something 'different' that will put you under social pressure. People looking, low value guys making comments etc. 2. Something a girl can use as a conversation starter. I don't do anything outrageous when peacocking, but I still fill these goals. Do what suits you, but a couple things I use for peacocking: A hat similar to this in winter: http://www.survivalt...ver-hats-33.jpg A big yellow smiley face belt buckle. Macaroni necklace. (I tell them my little niece made it for me) Bright green vans shoes. Tie with a tshirt. Rings, bling watch. You don't need to dress like a clown, 1 or 2 peacocking items will do. Try and have a story or something to say for the item you peacock with, for when people ask about it. Hope I helped. If it's ok with you I'd like to post this in the thread. I don't mind people hating on my advice, because I know at least a few people appreciate it, and that it does help the people who are open to something more controversial. Mage_Man0103 said: No, not at all, and thanks so much for the advice. No worries, I just read back what I sent and part of it looks a bit confusing. Just to clarify, disqualification is different to qualification. You open, get to the hook point (if you already know the person, or they are a friend of a friend, or you are introduced in some way you can skip these 2) disqualify yourself so they know you aren't hitting on anybody, build attraction to get her interested, then qualify her. This involved getting her to jump through smaller hoops, then bigger ones. Smaller hoops might be "are you adventurous?" then bigger hoops are things like "Now teach me something." This is so she is investing time and emotion into you and has a reason to stick around. It also gives her the impression she is winning you over, so she appreciates you more. Then you can move onto comfort and build rapport with her. Hey, Just thought I'd give an update on my situation. 3 weeks have passed since I posted that so here's a run-down of each: Week 1: Surprisingly, almost the perfect opportunity arose. We had our breaks together, and most of the other people 'breaking' were down the other end of the room talking, leaving me and her virtually alone. I was so shocked that this opportunity had arose, that I almost chickened out, but thankfully I didn't. Our conversation was quite brief, as her answers were very short, and while I have realised that she is indeed very shy, I'm also hoping that that was a sign she likes me; she feels awkward that the person she likes is talking to her. She also did smile quite a few times and even laughed slightly at something I said, which wasn't particularly funny. (Which apparently are also good signs of attraction.) Expect to do most of the talking at first even if she isn't shy, if she is shy then you will need to talk much more than usual. A quiet person usually only fits with a loud person. Her laughing at an unfunny joke sounds like either attraction or awkwardness, if she is shy she just might laugh to add something to the conversation. But since assuming everything is an IOI is a good way to go, it's attraction. Week 2: A bit of a flop. An opportunity never arose. Week 3: A reasonable opportunity occured right at the beginning which again surprised me. However, I took too long psyching myself up, that the opportunity had passed, and someone else had started talking to her. I was able to salvage something though, as I managed to listen in on the conversation, and learned a bit of personal information about her. Sadly, no other opportunities arose after that. If a guy is talking to her, then go talk to them both rather than 'listen in.' If you listen in, you are demonstrating lower value, if you talk to them both then you demonstrate higher value. Never try to psyche yourself out, it will do more harm than good. Just go talk to her before your brain has a chance to object. Say the first thing that comes to mind, don't stress about 'saying something cool.' What you say is really not important compared to how you say it. You communicate more with your body language, voice tone and speed etc than you do with what you actually say. What is the best way to try and acquire this information? (A contact detail of sorts.) - Are there subtle things I should be asking her that may get her to reveal things to me? - Should I somehow offer mine first, and hope she gives back? - Should I be upfront and tell her how I feel? See where this leads? As you can see, I'm a bit unsure on this step. I don't want to rush things, so I do plan to have a few more normal conversations, but I am bound a bit by this looming break. I did originally think that if I talked to her enough, she might make a move, but as I've learnt now how shy she is, I don't think this will happen. I posted the best way to get a number and to 'ask her out' a while back. I'm not typing it out again, but you're welcome to pick through my posts in off topic via search.php?st=0&sk=t&sd=d&author=Iamdan&fid[]=10 to find it. Oh and don't 'tell her how you feel.' It will work occasionally, but generally it does more harm than good because everyone seems to do it waaayy too early. Don't just have vans, jeans a basic t and a plain haircut because you just look average. No girl wants to be with an average guy, she is hardwired to want to be with a guy who raises her value. The guy on the right just screams confidence and identity. Low value guys will think he looks like a douche, it might also turn away some women, but he still has a wider selection than a plain looking guy with no fashion rudder. A girl will align herself with a guy that belongs to a tribe she either wants to join, or visit. If you're in no tribe, you will have a much harder time. That said, most of you are in high school and you don't really need game when you're in school anyway because it's so easy. Expressing an identity though your clothes will put you a head above the rest though. Look at the emo kids, they all look like douche bags. But they have an identity, so they are often successful with girls. Look at the jocks, same scenario. If you pick a style, make sure it goes with your personality because otherwise you just seem weird. Yep. Most of the time there will be a window in which you must act. Too early and it's weird, too late and you get ljbf anyway. After school though, there are more windows and they get smaller. There will be windows for the transition into normal conversation, attraction, qualification and every other step of the way. So you need to learn to realize when the window opens - makes things a little harder. I have my first date ever in a few hours , i'm pretty nervous though. We're going to the movies, which I've heard isn't exactly the best thing. She's the one who suggested in anyways, so yeah. It shouldn't be awkward at all, we've known for a year and we're friends. Any advice? Try the NLP routine I posted a while back, girls love it. Play [bleep] marry kill and other games if you want for an 'our world conspiracy.' Pointing out random guys you see, and telling her that he would be perfect for her is also fun. About the whole hooking up in the movies thing, only do it if you really want. Personally I don't understand what It is about the sticky floors, crying babies and smell of grease that gets people so turned on in the movies but it's not for me unless I'm wound up from a dry streak. I've actually used that yawn then arm around thing, (though I followed with C&F) and opened with the stupidest pick up lines I know. (You're 'No Parking' right? Just trying to guess your sign, Do you believe in love at first sight, or should I walk by again? etc etc) It can work because they know you're joking around. If it doesn't, who cares you're still having fun. There are logistics issues. She can feel uncomfortable at your place unless you have developed enough comfort, which should be after attracting her. (Again, if you're in high school it's not as important because you need no game anyway) If you have built comfort, invite her over as a casual thing. Just hanging out etc. As rpg said, unless you have built comfort it's likely to seem creepy and weird, but not definite. kota21 said: What is a good p lace to take a girl on their first date Somewhere original, don't go with a movie. I love taking girls ice skating Very few people in australia have done it before so it's fun, original, and I DHV by teaching her. Play to your strengths. For example if you have a great body take her to the beach. Just hit the attraction switches over and over. Confidence, smiling, willingness to walk away, ability to effect her emotions, (good and bad ones) humor, leader of men, protector of loved ones, pre selection etc etc. All the alpha male stuff. Run that EV routine I posted a while back if you want, girls love it. Tell stories laced with attraction switches. I don't know if I mentioned the cube routine in this thread, but basically it's pretty easy to do. Just a cold read by getting her to picture a cube, then adding flowers, a storm, a ladder and a horse and bull [cabbage]ting your way through by making your own interpretations off her description. Even the first time I tried it, they all said it was 90% accurate. Escalate touching starting from thumb wars etc, and eventually work up to hand on leg etc. I posted a 'ladder' of escalation a few pages back. Do this from the get go and calibrate based on what stage you are in and the reactions you get. (attraction, comfort etc) Pretending like you didn't notice her isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as you go the other way too - push/pull is important. Things like, 'that was funny, too bad you're still a dork' etc Don't give her any IOIs until she gives you some, 'reward' her with them. Get her qualifying herself with questions like 'are you adventurous' or something. Move onto open ended questions etc to build comfort and make a move. Just go out with a friend to a club, (I could help with your style if you want) and follow the 3 second rule. Make small goals, first being able to open a set and talk for 5 minutes, then work your way up to attraction and upwards. When you start talking to people you need an opener, in which you answer 2 questions. (what does this guy want, when will he leave) Notice something about them and comment on it, which lets you transition to regular conversation. Touching on the low end (shoulder brushes, thumb wars) builds comfort, working your way up keeps you out of friend zone. friendzone != a girlfriend I just remembered something, on the topic of wearing clothing to stand out a few pages back. My stand was, have a specific style and stand out. A couple people's responses were, that's douche baggery. Girls do the exact same thing. They show cleavage, wear glittery crap, and we respond to it. You can bet your boring t shirts that there is a plain looking girl in sweatpants and a huge shirt looking at the same girl you're ogling and thinking: "wow what a show off" (Of course there could be guys here with high horse syndrome or that are used to settling that will insist they would prefer the plain looking girl because the other one must be a [bleep] ) When talking, look them straight in the eyes all the time. When talking to a group, do the same thing but switch between people. Running good game, it all depends on the situation. Roughly, be a little standoffish when opening (that's if you approach random people) and rocking back on your feet like you're about to leave, slowly change that into standing 'neutral' when past the hook point (when you are having regular conversation) If it's a girl you already know, or a friend of a friend you can start in attraction. That's when you kinda lean back, have confident but casual body language. I mentioned push pull, do this with your body language too. Mildly mimicking their body language can help building comfort. I suggest reading The Definitive Book Of Body Language by Allan and Barbara Pease. Probably the best book out there on the subject. When you go through the stages, change your body language to suit it. When she's qualified herself and you've shown you're interested you don't want to be standoffish etc. Lean in for a minute and lean back for push pull etc. Then again calibration is important too. For example better looking guys should not DHV as much as others, and it all depends on her reactions. If you want to can do compliance tests, when standing in a group step back and see if they follow. Something I think I read from Strauss is asking them to put their hands out palms down, put your hands under facing up. Squeeze, let go and lower your hands. If she does the same, huge IOI. If she asks why, I just be honest (sort of) and say it's a trust test I read about, and that she feels comfortable around me/need more time to know each other. I had the worst test thrown at me last night at a pub. I was flirting with a bartender, when another female barkeep comes up and tells me I look too young to be in a bar. I could handle that, and replied with something like 'yeah I'm 13, gotta love my fake id.' That would have worked most of the time, but she wasn't finished and came back with 'you look 5.' Boom. I had nothing. Came up with I will look 20 when I'm 80 while she will look like a catchers mitt about 10 seconds later. You always think of the best things to say when it's too late Girls that get hit on a lot (bartenders for example) will tend to test more often, and more aggressively. They aren't [bleep]es, they just have a '[bleep] shield' to fend off all the low value guys who can't handle it. Once you start passing them they are usually really nice people. I need some help, but in a different way. A girl I like is trying to get me to go to some Christian Youth meetings, and I'm an agnostic. I don't want to start a religious debate with her, but she is really upfront about me going to it. Any advice? She will respect you more if you tell her you're agnostic and you aren't interested, as long as you aren't apologetic about it. edit: btw I found a book that everyone should read. It's called brad p's fashion bible. It drums the [wagon] kisser out of you, It goes into the psychology behind fashion and explains my point before about no style (jeans, tshirt, vans etc) being a bad idea, gives styles categorized by 'loudness,' gives sources to keep up with the trends etc. Great read, and it's not huge either. You can easily read it in one sitting. Especially hobgoblinpie who has nice guy syndrome ^.^ Ok flirting. Before you worry about flirting, read up on DHV and attraction switches from either my posts or the internet. Flirting is just about having fun and being a challenge. Bust her balls when she says something dumb, offer to introduce her to random dorky guys you see, make her give her best elephant noise before you give her a lift home. Role playing is awesome. Break up with her, get back together with her sister and have an argument about custody of the tv and the dog Remember those stupid little jokes and games you had when you were in grade 4? They are funny all over again. (When you're 18+ at least) The story of the blind mouse, dumb mouse and deaf mouse etc etc. Imagine a girl spending hours getting ready at home and then you come along and write "Pen 15" on her arm. Maybe give her a point system, if she says something funny tell her she earned 2 points. Take a point off every now and then. If she asks what the points are for get creative. Again - flirting is just about having fun and being a challenge. Okeey, where to begin :/ Basically I'm a quiet dorky guy at work because I'm not a fan of the job and all I'm really thinking about is the end of my shift. I still dress well and have confident body language, so I seem to attract the nice quiet girls at work. Even if I was interested in being more than colleagues, I'd just corrupt them (this goes to show how important the way you dress and carry yourself is - along with word of mouth (social proof) these are the reasons why girls I barely even know are interested in me) This is all fine, but 1 girl decided to act on it. She told her friend she likes me, and gave her her number to give to me. Not only am I forcefully reminded of grade 5, but I have to let her down nicely. She's so freaking nice though, it's like trying to strangle a puppy I started texting her out of politeness, being as nice and boring as possible and she hasn't brought it up yet but I'm trying to figure out what I'm gonna do. I know it's just a matter of saying I'm not interested, but she's so niiice. Like, sweet old grandma nice It's called oneitis and it is avoided for good reason. There is no 'good game' to attract a girl who you are good friends with unless you really know what you're doing, other than breaking contact and coming back later. You might bumble though and do it by chance, but the odds are stacked against you. You're much more likely to get your own heart broken and possibly ruin the friendship. So there is no good advice that can be given other than that, if we gave you different advice then it would probably be bad advice. If you had a lot of experience with girls then it would be different, but then again you wouldn't need the advice in the first place. I mean you can look through my posts about stuff like attraction switches, flirting, touch escalation and asking a girl out and try it if you really want. I don't recommend it though. I'm not trying to be harsh or anything, it's just how things are generally. I've made every mistake many times, and I can see the issues that will arise for you a mile a way. Ultimately up to you, but I'd keep the friendship and move on. I think us ot'ers should compile a list of things that you could consider as IOI's. The thing is, you don't need a list. I'm at the point where I don't even consciously look for IOIs other than with my compliance tests, I just have intuition. (I'm guessing my subconscious looks for them for me) All you really have to do is get some basic knowledge on body language and psychology and you can start evaluating gestures people make. Then you can start making your own compliance tests to look for IOIs as well as having your intuition. It's honestly not anywhere near as hard as it sounds. Remember the golden rule of looking for clusters. If she has her arms crossed don't assume she's trying to avoid you, maybe she's just cold. Maybe she also has her feet and head pointed towards you and is learning forward. Then you can start push pulling with your own body language, use it to change their body language and thus their mood and attitude towards you. I can't say I'm great at this, but it's fun to practice and see results. Those are the negs mentioned in 'the game', mystery came up with them so they are ancient. They aren't good ones, but should still work unless the girl has heard them before. (which is likely) To answer the original question, girls that get hit on a lot will dismiss you instantly (who has the time to screen every guy properly) unless you know how to get through their screen. The purpose of the neg is to be different. Most guys will give them a compliment, she enjoys the ego boost and then ignores him. If you don't give her that ego boost, she will be wondering why you didn't, and will try and get it out of you. She then gives fake IOIs and tests to see if you respond, and the game begins. That's the idea anyway, I can't say I even see many 9s and 10s let alone talk to enough to confirm the idea from experience. doomsavenger, I can see how you would think that, but it does have a purpose. Brad P's fashion bible covers the reasons for elitism perfectly if you're interested. (he applies the elitism to fashion but it works in this situation) Using jargon like the word neg also cuts down paragraphs of information into a 3 letter word. I thought, [bleep] it, and spilled out EVERYTHING to her. I told her how I basically stalked her all that year and memorized her schedule, and yes, I even used the L-word. Then, eight grade, I got to watch this guy hit on her all year, but I was too much of a [kitty] to do anything. 9 times out of 10, doing that will completely mess up your chances - but you're in school so it's probably still ok. When you do that, you're telling her that she has the higher value and you're chasing her. She doesn't want a guy with a lower value then her own, it would just decrease hers. Just try and plough through attraction switches, (if you don't know how to DHV read through the thread) after a month or so tell her you're over her but that she's cool and that she should tag along when you do x for a fun time. Don't even worry about this other guy, he's not competition. OT: WOW. I'm not going to go into the details but the jealousy card works wonders - even when it gets played by accident It's true that looks don't really matter (as far as how you were born, the way you present yourself is still important) like it does for girls. Guys are attracted to physical traits that show fertility, girls aren't looking for fertility How it works is a girl sacrifices some of her replication value (by committing to 1 guy) for some of his survival value. (by having to take care of somebody else) Giving her a name is a good idea, though I personally wouldn't call her babe. I'd just pick a physical trait and go on that, like freckles or curly. And holy [bleep] I just found out today that a girl I went to primary school with is a meter maid at the gold coast, and she's on beauty and the geek now too. I think I had a little thing with her too. I'd through my posts about touch escalation and hardwired attraction switches etc, has a lot of useful information. You could just ctr f, type iamdan and flick back through the pages, c&p the stuff you find useful. Most of my more informative posts are a bit further back, the later ones somtimes refer to previous posts I made. Start by getting her number, it's easy as hell while you're in school. Just start a conversation and say something like, 'you're pretty cool, we should trade numbers.' A few random tips for phone game: Don't be too eager, try to be light hearted and funny, and always be having a more interesting time than her. Also make your replies come at random times. A few of my favorites: I bet my weekend can kick your weekend's [wagon] Out of all the (her first name and last name)'s I know, you're my favourite you just popped into my head so hi... now stay out of there be sure to role play Then sometime in the future, tell her you're doing x and that she should come along and hang out. Over the years I've found it's best not to take attraction advice from girls. They are good at the relationship stuff but when it comes to the initial attraction, from what I've seen they say something but respond to something different. I mean sure, a nice guy sounds good, but when you have a wussbag that you aren't attracted to being all needy I'm sure it would be a completely different story. I mean a girl has experience with things like relationships, and all kinds of skills guys don't. Attracting other girls - not so much. (usually) I'm sure I'm not the only guy here who has had a deep and meaningful with a girl that has ljbf'd him that went something like 'I'm sick of jerks, I want a nice guy like you." and then went off and found a new jerk boyfriend. I'm glad you asked that girl out. In fact I'm glad you got rejected, because now you know it's not as bad as you thought. RpgGamer, on 20 November 2009 - 06:14 AM, said: There's one flaw in the confidense-arrogance-is-madatory-for-mating theory. Survival of the fittest. If girls were never attracted to the 'wussy' nice guys, they'd die out due to lack of breeding. You can be an aplha male all you want, but there's too kinds of it: Natural, and Forced. The Naturals are the ones that do the breeding. The Forced often come off as fake (and if they dont, then women really need to open their eyes, cause its pretty obvious). If women were NEVER attracted to nice guys, there would be NO niec guys. Obviously there's still a few girls out there that still believe in a good faithful, upstanding nice guy. From my experience these are the girls that ACTUALLY realize that they don't want the 'alpha-male'. From my observations anyway. The nice guy stuff comes from how we are raised, and trying to make the adults happy. Our mums bought 'nice' clothes for because they would make us a 'nice boy' and we went along with it and learned how to eliminate conflict and all the other needy traits. Girls do sometimes settle for nice guys who are providers, (at later ages it means they have money) but they are still hardwired to cheat on/leave them for an alpha male. Women can see through the fake, but after some time it won't be fake anymore. Just like riding a bike brandon1023, on 20 November 2009 - 09:20 AM, said: Okay, well this is not about me, but to a friend that I used to know and moved about 200 miles from me that I write to on the internet. His scenario is about a girl that he likes so I'm going to just quote the letter he sent me and see if someone can reply. By the way, he's 18. He wrote: About a week ago I started going to a lounge that's close to where I live, the place is nice and everything, but that's not the point, lol. There is this very attractive girl that works there as a hostess, and she could be the prettiest girl I've seen in a very long time, at least here. She appears a little older than me. I notice she makes eye contact with me from time to time and she greets me. Again, that is her job- to be nice to people. I really want to start some kind of conversation with her to get to know her better and develop familiarity, ask her if she's single, would she like to go out sometime, etc. What I see extremely difficult here is that this is her work place, and I just don't know how to approach her, and when it comes to this kind of stuff. Check back through this thread for my posts and copy and paste them if you want to help him. (In fact, if you do send me a copy of my posts so I can put them all in 1 spot) The only advice I'll give now that I haven't already said is since he see's her often the game changes. It's not a 20 minute club pickup, he can take his time and give her time to miss him. Open her, talk a little, DHV and maybe run a routine then tell her he has to go. Come back another time, use callback humor* to get her in an attracted state again and continue. After 3-4 times he can get her numberand ask her out. DHVs, routines, asking a girl out and getting a number have all been covered in depth throughout the thread. *Callback humor is when you bring up something funny from your initial conversion, which gets her back into an emotive and attracted state. A nickname, a tease, continuing a role play etc. edit: I just remembered this from ages ago http://www.youtube.c...h?v=QBajY8W0xjw It proves it's not what you talk about, but how you talk about it. Neil either wrote in his book or emailed me that mystery would go out with the pua's leeching off him, and they would run their best routines and he would recite his shopping list, and he would still do better. Thought I'd post some random ideas on building attraction before you even talk to the girl. I've been experimenting with it and gotten 3-4 girls attracted, and 1 girl who actually wants to be FBs (so our mutual friend says) and I've talked to her once ever for about 2 minutes. The pua material talks about social proof where either somebody talks about you positively, or you are seen either as a leader of a group, or with women. I talk up my friends and they do the same, it raises both our value because when I say things about a friend to raise his value, he wouldn't be hanging out with me unless I also have value. Then you have being seen as the leader of the group. Position yourself so you're the one leaning back on a wall or something so it looks like everyone is gaming you. You don't have to be the loudest and biggest to be the alpha of the group, just position yourself well and have alpha body language, which brings me to the part I've been experimenting with. An alpha male moves slowly but deliberately, without many sudden movements. He does not qualify himself or make excuses for personal flaws, or brags. His focus is where he is, he isn't looking around because the fun isn't elsewhere. He isn't impressed by anything the beta male does and he isn't looking for anyone's approval. [/hide]

Well, the big news is that I fail at goals. So I decided to buy a d axe and santa hat, empty my bank, and chop ivy until I go f2p in 20 days. New signature: Real life news: My friend stole my dollar today. He said that him and some other guys were having a "McDonalds sesh" where we walk to McDonalds after school. But I couldn't go since I had play rehearsal. So I gave a dollar to my friend (who is also the male lead in the play, but he never shows up and will probably get fired) to buy me some chicken nuggets and bring them to me. They were out of chicken nuggets. :mellow:

Me too, sort of. It's not really as noticeable as good looks, but it definitely stands out. Gah this never happens with me, but I think my nose is almost dysfunctional. I swear to god I can't smell to save my life. I do have the same problem as you, not being able to have that feeling when you like someone. I guess it's because we've simply grown out of our former thoughts about love and relationships and realized what we thought as 12 year olds just isn't true. Or you aren't completely healed from your past relationship issues.

Ok I lied, there was no visage. I went to duo kbd with our good buddy Agent 1777. We managed to get a whopping 2 kills until I had to tele. Agent got 2 d'hides, 8 crims, and 15 law runes and I got both sets of bones. Maybe we'll have better luck next time :P

Can you do this with multiple slayer masters? For instance, teleport to Edgeville and buy them off of Vannaka and then teleport to Kuradel and buy some? No, you cannot.