Carl

How is i t a good buisness model for jagex to basically discourage people from accepting modship by saying you must spout the party line and not get a pay check for it? First it makes people lose respect for the current p and f mods because now they are basically drones serving jagex and can't have an opinion of their own. But they do have opinions, and places to voice them.

Not that I disagree with what Ken may have said, as I'm opposed to the update as well.

Horribly disappointed with the Hiscores update. It's put a damper on a good two months.

Not for long. Not in F2P anyway. <_< AFAIK you could only stake very small amounts in F2P. I wasn't including F2P in what I said.

Money's transferred only after a staking match. With Dicing, it's before the game's started. Therefore any Joe can state they are dicing, take money and log out. You can't do that in a Duel. You have hiscores, etc. at your disposal to insure it will be a fair match.

...It required a smart person to host? :rolleyes:

I'm happy it's been removed. I'm not poor, nor unconvinced of trustworthiness of certain people. I wasn't happy with the direction the game/community was going. This will halt it, even if only for a few days.

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You don't know me personally, at all, Pal. When it comes to here, though...And some of the posts? There's only so much face-palming I can do. If that person doesn't want to make an effort in their post, and only [bleep] about it "Because X said...", then don't expect Mr. Niceguy.

So people who have jobs, etc. Are disadvantaged because they can't play RS all day? Come on...No-one's forcing you to play, ever. RuneScape should never feel like a job.

If one's brought to court, there's good chances they will see it. Not if they don't have the money period. 99% of civil lawsuits never sees all of the money from it. Case in point, there's the case of that woman who was sued for 2.4M or 2.4B for downloading a bunch of songs. There is no way that company will see that money from that individual in their lifetime, there is absolutely no way. This will be no different, and I would have no idea how they'd quantify "damage" done in any case. What, would each "tree" chopped be worth X cash? It's an arbitrary thing at best. Alternately, they could just settle the matter outside of court, but knowing how these companies have just so much money to throw at the courts, I'm not so sure. Also, I don't even play this game, as I stopped well over four years ago, so how would I know what the abuse report is? What about your TOS argument? Report Abuse has always been in the game. One of the first options to report is for macroing. It's hinted everywhere that bots aren't allowed. Of course they won't see 2.4M or 2.4B - they'll likely see a realistic amount. I wasn't talking about massive sums of money. In any case, I'm just saying that TOSes are in most cases not factored in during any proceedings. They're often so badly written in favor of the company and in most cases they do not extend any protections to the consumer. I'm also aware that Report Abuse is in game now that you've told me. Remember that I haven't played in four years meaning I frankly don't care for it? Literally the only reason I'm posting/bullshitting in this topic is for postcount+. Trying to boost your post count by making stupid arguments really isn't productive. They're "often" this, and "most cases" that. No. You're not talking about any company. Make an effort instead of forming your own conclusions from absolutely no work. I never said you cared for the "Report Abuse" button. But it was regarding your above comments that I brought it up. Do you read the cover of every book before you comment on it? Try harder.

Leave it as two, add a new question into the second - "Do you care?" "Yes/No", or something. Honestly, I'm happy with where it is. I see no reason to change.

If one's brought to court, there's good chances they will see it. Not if they don't have the money period. 99% of civil lawsuits never sees all of the money from it. Case in point, there's the case of that woman who was sued for 2.4M or 2.4B for downloading a bunch of songs. There is no way that company will see that money from that individual in their lifetime, there is absolutely no way. This will be no different, and I would have no idea how they'd quantify "damage" done in any case. What, would each "tree" chopped be worth X cash? It's an arbitrary thing at best. Alternately, they could just settle the matter outside of court, but knowing how these companies have just so much money to throw at the courts, I'm not so sure. Also, I don't even play this game, as I stopped well over four years ago, so how would I know what the abuse report is? What about your TOS argument? Report Abuse has always been in the game. One of the first options to report is for macroing. It's hinted everywhere that bots aren't allowed. Of course they won't see 2.4M or 2.4B - they'll likely see a realistic amount. I wasn't talking about massive sums of money.

Please use another example, if you wish to argue that. Jailbreaking an iPhone is very different to using a Botting program, effecting the other hundrds-of-thousands of users operating that product whenever you're online. I've consulted various websites, and can't find any that state that the Terms & Conditions aren't legally binding. If, when brought to court the T&C are vague or too ambigious, there's a high chance you won't win. There's absolutely nothing vague about that. It's also seen in-game whenever you pull up the Report Abuse screen. If one's brought to court, there's good chances they will see it.

Please tell me, if someone steals something, what are they? If someone's sailed for the first time, what are they? And what someones is if they've piloted a plane for the first time. Trainee thief? Trainee Sailor? Trainee pilot? Apparently they're similar!

6. Realise that praising their efforts might change the rest of the botting communities. Mentioning it every chance? I saw a thread created by another player on the forum that was stickied where Jmods were poking fun at the site -- where else? Why so [bleep]y? Simply because their internal consistencies with fansites is, as demonstrated here, horribly flawed. They're willing to shitcan an entire fansite for the actions of one person, yet espouse another, of which the majority of participants were dedicated to - in their own words - disregard[ing] the terms, conditions, and agreements entered [to play the game]. There's something to be said about reformation, which I'm more than happy to agree with - maybe the reformation of one will lead to the reformation of another. However, it lies counter to what they've been about with their whole anti-bot agenda. So please, forgive me if I seem a bit chippy at this; I just can't stand inconsistency. There's really a huge difference between someone creating and hosting a bot site, and someone being convicted of sharing Child Pornography. Ceasing to support the latter is completely understandable.

6. Realise that praising their efforts might change the rest of the botting communities. Mentioning it every chance? I saw a thread created by another player on the forum that was stickied where Jmods were poking fun at the site -- where else? Why so [bleep]y?

http://services.runescape.com/m=news/bot-busting-update-legal-proceedings

Was his accent not from somewhere in England?

Looking forward to it!

Wait, I thought Jagex standed for java gaming experts? :blink: They changed that with some game they made which wasn't Java based. World of Legends or something like that. No, they didn't make World of Legends - just published it. Hence the name change.

He ruined a part of the future of RS? Explain...?

The situation now is the complete opposite of what it would have been a month ago -- the discussion would not be at all similar. The discussion then would be different. Opinions change. Just like how people like you have shown their hate (Or "Strong dislike") for Jagex. Would you still continue to show that strong dislike in a discussion? Despite what's been said and done since then? Or must we all discuss as if everything has been written in stone?

Of course not, that's because Jagex is the only one authorized to sell their product. The fact the transaction takes place in real-life isn't the issue. It's who the item legally belongs to that's important. Im obviously selling souvenir tickets which come with a complementary auth code for runefest item. Old event tickets are quite the collectables and I cant help it if an unused auth code comes with it :lol: Much like the people who used to sell jokes on Ebay which just so happened to come with a free RuneScape account. :P

As far as I can find - it's pretty much customers purchasing goods as-is, with no guarantee that they will function. But if they're not of usable quality, within 14 days, they will be refunded. And RU_Insane, as one bot poster said: "Stable job > Scripting with the chance of getting sued"