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Onyx= 80m Street price? 2 hooks=onyx, at least that's what i've been seeing on forum. Easter= 2 onyx+hook? Curious, since I want an easter.

Well, for a one time thing, it would be ok. Not a big deal one time. Any more, or any within the next 1 year, is a big no-no.

I beat that. I got both within 1 second of each other, I was watching my inventory, and boom boom. However, I don't think they were trying to make these something that you skill just to get. That being said, any kind of training should get them, eg net hunting for hunter rock, etc. And shephard, that is irrelevant. It still has a certain "chance" to appear. What you said is similar to comparing the DR of a rune med to a dragon plateleg at steels. Sure, they are RNG drops, but one is far more common then the other.

After ~130'ish red drags.

Racheya called a meeting and chewed our butts out after last week. :P She can be mean when she cracks her whip. Oy! You should be working not fraternising! :twisted: Get back to work! On topic: I enjoyed both articles this week, particularly Stormrage's which definitely echoes some of my feelings on the subject of Dragon Weapons. I didn't know the DYK either - though I tend to sell my shards on the GE personally (not that I end up selling many shards :P) *hides whip* BTW Racheya, why do you have the fact that you are a mod in your siggy ^.^ Isn't that obvious?

GE, they often don't sell, and max is 10k every 4 hours, so if you have a lot, they take a while.

First WIll edit Liked the one by TS.

Mod Mark said: If you want to stop being defeated by bigger opponents - whether thats competing for magic logs, fighting duels or dominating training areas - get bigger or try somewhere else. That being said, I hate crashing. Something needs to be done, but without ruining prices. Drops are rare enough (For me at least) without them being made worthless. DKS drops are low enough, don't ruin those either.

Update: I got 92->99 today, in summoning.

From 6.285m (92) to 13,034,470 (99) today, in 4 hours of summoning.

Over 6.5m summoning xp. I went from just over 92, to 150k to 99. But I had charms from 2.5m slayer xp saved. (1k+ blues and 4650 crims or so).

As more royal enters the market, they will go down. I wouldn't trust royal anything. You should be easily able to get 2 hooks for your onyx, maybe you'll need to throw in werg pots too. I've heard from a fairly reliable source (Not RS Wiki) That uncut onyx can be looted from kingly imps. If that is true, then onyx may go down a bit in street, although it shouldn't crash, seeing as how rare an onyx from them seems to be. Honestly, with any high street priced item, which isn't a rare, there is a chance of Jagex tampering with it. It would be possible for Jagex to change the price of (unf) werg pots to more closely mirror their ge price, to make hooks untradable, etc. There is always a risk. BTW: If you want to sell that onyx, I'll buy it :D

Smelly, this is actually a topic discussing rule 3 and its interpretation, not only the mouse in the other topic. People on Tif seem so scared to start a topic which could even remotely be seen as being similar to another topic.

I shall soon be one of those 99 summoners. I have at least 98 banked, and I should be something like 300k xp away from 99. At any rate, I'll have 96 banked, which is all I really want.

Kyatt works out at 3k an hour, if you are quick. Although with the amount of people using the CW bank it will probably me diminshed with the thousands of Kyatts in the place.. Well I'm going to bed early tonight so I can get up at 4 am PST. Should be done in a few hours, before my day really even starts. Doubt there will be too many people on at that time. A lot of people from the GMT timezone obviously, but not so many from the States. This is the kind of thing I'm worried about :? :roll: There are going to be so many people with your mentality about it....... I always used to wonder how people died from these games like you hear about occasionally...... And it seems that something like this is one of the reasons. I'm on GMT obviously, and so will hope and pray that CW is empty tomorrow morning. Will probably have to get up at 11 to make sure I'm ready on RS, then I'll pop on some music and just keep an eye on RSOF to see it explode with rants about how full everywhere is, and as soon as it's 12:01 I'll log in and begin summoning as I'll log out with an invo of granite lobs ready to be made. Ehh, I'm going to try to get in an extra few hours, but thats about it. Might make ~140 sara brews, and some other random stuff. Probably string the ~850 gold ammies I have, and maybe FM or Mine, since I hate those.

I have to agree. I was actually thinking much the same thing. The fact that such a feat is possible isn't a problem that cheaters are causing, but a problem with how the game is designed. Clean-x would be very fail though. And Danz, that is asinine. You do the same thing when typing @@@@ or ... The problem is with the system that allows this, not with the people using mousekeys.

Look up and see what mouskeys are first, before you call something cheating.

A player rewrote/amended the driver of their tablet's touch screen to "autoclick" if he kept the stylus on the same spot for an extended period of time. They used this to high alch items while they watched television. The player was banned for macroing. Their appeal was denied because it was third party software. This is pretty much the EXACT SAME THING, except its with a mouse and not a stylus&tablet. That is completely asinine, and you should know it. In one case the person is doing nothing, as their is no need to move and no need to click, same as a bot, in the other the guy is using mousekeys.

Define what type of macro is against the rule? By Macro, most people mean a program which controls your character without any input from you, am I right? This is not a program for one. Secondly, the person is still in control of his account. Lastly, he is still moving the mouse himself, to some extent, much as you still control mouse keys.

Intervention = Barrette in damage and accuracy. 'Ven just makes you take more time for a second shot, so people think its more accurate. With the sniper rifle steadied, the bullet always hits right where you have the crosshairs aimed.

Danz, your statements show you don't know too much about how computers work, it would seem. What the computer interprets as a single action is on occasion multiple inputs, and vis versa. (C+A+D for example). He is still moving the mouse, etc. Not to mention we also don't have proof that I can see that this vid isn't doctored in any way. It would be easy to doctor it up to make it appear faster then it actually is.

Indeed, it is not the assigning buttons on the mouse to keys, it is having those keys able to make multiple inputs for one click of the button. As he says, one input, one action. I'm waiting for my apology now. Like I said, its not obvious. http://www.runescape.com/rules/rule_third_party_software.ws Those are the rules. I can find nothing in there also which would forbid this mouse. Now, you still might be banned, who knows. Jagex has temp banned people for using mouse keys in the past, even after they said that they were legal.

So I can write a quick script that will click 28 positions in the inventory for me and assign it to the F1 key? Its legal because im pressing F1 right? While im at it, I might aswell make a script that pressed deposit all and withdraw 28 herbs for the F2 key, thats legal too right because im pressing F2? Exactly. Mouse keys which is think zarfot uses need you to press them for every mouse click you wish to make, meaning you are manually clicking. What is done in the video is not manual clicking, the clicking is done automatically which is against the rules. It took us ages to get clear rules on mouse keys, so it will take us a while to get clear rules for this, but It is obviously cheating. Those that cannot see that just want to use it for their own gain, or something similar. Think logically sir. If it needs time to get clear on this, then it isn't obviously cheating. The only way to make such a preposterous statement with any degree of authenticity would be to post the rule stating that this is against the rules. Otherwise, it isn't obvious. Heck, if it were obvious, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. It might be debatable, or it might seem apparent, but it isn't obvious. It is obvious though. The reason it would take a long time to get a clear statement from Jagex is because first telling them about it would be difficult, then having them understand what is going on. If you can talk directly to a Jmod about it to ask then go ahead, but it is usually a very long process getting hold of one. I don't get how you cannot see it as cheating. He is clicking much faster than is humanly possible and thus not doing the clicking himself which is against the rules. If Olly comes back with proof, I expect an apology. Like I said, the reason we are having this debate is because it isn't blatantly obvious.

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?rlz=1C1_____enUS324US324&sourceid=chrome&q=logitech+g5+gaming+mouse&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=6333690042930476157&ei=BzeYS_asKI3QlAe23qSYDQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCkQ8wIwAw#ps-sellers I personally wouldn't risk using it until this is clarified, but I don't think its cheating.

So I can write a quick script that will click 28 positions in the inventory for me and assign it to the F1 key? Its legal because im pressing F1 right? While im at it, I might aswell make a script that pressed deposit all and withdraw 28 herbs for the F2 key, thats legal too right because im pressing F2? Exactly. Mouse keys which is think zarfot uses need you to press them for every mouse click you wish to make, meaning you are manually clicking. What is done in the video is not manual clicking, the clicking is done automatically which is against the rules. It took us ages to get clear rules on mouse keys, so it will take us a while to get clear rules for this, but It is obviously cheating. Those that cannot see that just want to use it for their own gain, or something similar. Think logically sir. If it needs time to get clear on this, then it isn't obviously cheating. The only way to make such a preposterous statement with any degree of authenticity would be to post the rule stating that this is against the rules. Otherwise, it isn't obvious. Heck, if it were obvious, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. It might be debatable, or it might seem apparent, but it isn't obvious.