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It boosts your defense by 25%, not ranged defense. Which, depending on how the range/mage defense calculations work, I can't remember, will give a 17.5% range defense bonus or a 7.5% range defense bonus. (I can't remember if Ranged defense is calculated with 70% range level and 30% defense or vise versa?)

QQ, cmn, etc etc.

Because it's a 15% attack bonus, which is a lot compaired to the +12/17 attack bonus you get with dark gloves ans a fighter hat. 99 + 15% = 115 attack. I'm on my iTouch at school, so I can't find the bonuses with void/bandos, but I know that dark gloves/fighter hat don't provite near the same accuracy as void.

There is only Elite void top and bottom, you can wear one, or the other, or both, or the old void, and you always get the bonus.

I'd like to know how you did that considering they give double exp, halving costs. Also, one level can't be that expensive to get. For you, with sc hammers, you'd need to make 65 oak larders, requiring 520 oak planks, which is under 350k. Bit of a bad time to train it though seeing oak planks have basically doubled in price lately. And how many SC hammers will I need? I'd actually prefer to do it without them if it'll only cost 700k?

When in the quest do you need level 70 construction, and can I use my crystal saw for the boost or will I have to stew it? I'm only 1 level away, I just don't wast to waste what little cash I have.

No, i am not thinking that way. But you could get 3 Chaotic weapons before reseting, which kinda is nice, because you get the beenfits. Ah I never even thought of it that way. I think I might do that too. :P I don't get it..? Explain :x If im understanding him right, he means you can upgrade your ring to tier 10 helping you inside of daemonheim, save tokens for ur chaotics and when your done gettin what you want, you can reset your ring to get the tokens back for something else useful I THINK he's saying you might as-well get a tier 10 ring in dameonheim and then once you have enough tokens you should reset and buy 3 chaotics? I don't know, I'm still confused. lol

No, i am not thinking that way. But you could get 3 Chaotic weapons before reseting, which kinda is nice, because you get the beenfits. Ah I never even thought of it that way. I think I might do that too. :P I don't get it..? Explain :x

Fixed.

All this talk of the Dragon defender, yet, no where has Jagex said anything about it. It's pure myth, to my knowledge.

I'm going to take your word for it, leech mage and defense it is :)

It's not worth it to kill frost dragons without a cannon, it will barely be better than abyssal demons. As for frost dragons magic defense- with leech magic/defense, it's not that bad. Magic is around as good as range with zammy bow+zamorak arrows. Oh, less cost/damage with cannon versus more surges? ;) Should I use leech range, too, since I'll be using a cannon? So deflect mage and leech defense/range/magic?

I'll be meleeing them for hundreds of millions and hopefully a Visage after 99 mage and range, so why not get a head start?

Point taken, guess I'm off to dameonheim! I wont be using a cannon, though, it's just too messy, if you ask me. Plus that's a massive drain on profits, right?

You're telling me it doesn't matter to me weather I profit? I'm telling you it does matter, which is why I asked. That's like saying it doesn't matter how many charms I get bursting, if I get a lot it's just coincdence. I'm paying for maging and getting charms from lobbys. If I wanted mage exp I'd alch and If I wanted charms I'd kill waterfiends. I wouldn't have asked if It didn't matter, as it's a matter of personal preference. I would just like to at least break even or make some money, I can't afford to loose any more cash.

I want to know if Fire surging Abbysals profits, first. I'll do the calculations by myself when I get home tonight if no one else does it by then.

Rex is quite possibly more annoying then soloing TD's, I just cannot stand Rex. besides, I don't get to play much now a days, maybe 10- hours a week. That's like 2/3 trips per week, but that's assuming I played in 3/5 hour intervals, and I can't be bothered to log in for that much time. At this point it comes down to Abbysals, and if so, what gear, or Frost dragons.

What about Iron's/Steel's/Mithril's? Do any of those profit enough to warrent doing? I do have a Pack yak, so I can bank any and all drops worth over 500gp or however much Scroll's cost. Or am I better off just getting 85 dgne now and maging frosts, or even Abbysals, like I planned to do?

The whole reason I'm killing frost dragons after 85 Dungeoneering is to pay for 95 prayer and 92 herblore. Since I wont be using epicly expensive gear, I'd have a mage bonus of 114 and a prayer bonus of 6, or 108 and 12, if using a Soul wars cape instead of Ardougne 3. Deflect mage, leech range and mage, antifire pots, prayer pots, yak + scrolls, cannon + cballs? Assuming a 6 prayer bonus, I'd be needing an anti pot/prayer pot ratio of 1/8. Assuming a 12 prayer bonus, I'd be needed an anti pot/prayer pot ratio of 1/7. Is the loss of 6 mage bonus worth the 5 prayer pots saved per trip? FYI, this would still only allow me 5 antifire's per trip, as I wouldn't have enough space to warrant bringing an extra anti. But it would give me a few more inventory spaces to work with, and keep in mind I'm just doing this casually, not 100% efficient, I want to have fun, not grind.

I plan on getting 85 dungeoneering after 99 mage, but what would be the harm in getting it first and then maging frosts instead of Abbys? Know a guide or something for fire surging frosts, or is it exactly like Steels/Irons? And the problem I have with the high mage bonus setups is that Abbysal demons are, well, demons, which, as we know, are weak to magic. I'm fairly positive the best setup would be a tank setup with -20+ magic bonus and an EE + wolpertinger for faster kills / less cost per kill? But that's why I made this thread, to find out if I'm wrong. There's a half-decent(at least i think so) frost dragon maging guide linked in my signiture, if you are interested. Maging frosts would also help you in leveling ranged. Abyssals are demons, but that doesn't mean they don't have defense, they just have a very low magic level, and defense against magical attacks is both defense level and magic level, thus a higher magic attack is always better. With a decent enough prayer bonus the cost of prayer potions would be very low. I would suggest always having atleast 70 magic attack bonus. I don't have Overloads, I don't have extremes, I don't have super antifire, I can't afford that gear. =/

I plan on getting 85 dungeoneering after 99 mage, but what would be the harm in getting it first and then maging frosts instead of Abbys? Know a guide or something for fire surging frosts, or is it exactly like Steels/Irons? And the problem I have with the high mage bonus setups is that Abbysal demons are, well, demons, which, as we know, are weak to magic. I'm fairly positive the best setup would be a tank setup with -20+ magic bonus and an EE + wolpertinger for faster kills / less cost per kill? But that's why I made this thread, to find out if I'm wrong.

For reasons I can't explain I want to Fire surge Abbysal demons for 99 mage. I'm totally lost on the gear and method I should approach this with. Should I even mage Abbysals, or should I mage steel/iron dragons instead? Or how about something else? Am I missing a gear set that would be more effective? Does Fire surging Abbysal's even profit anymore? What does profit? I can't afford to use Bandos' to tank, and I'm not using Battle robes dude to my inability to get FoG tokens. Which of the following setups should I use, and why: If it's hard to look at the pictures because there in hid tags, just let me know, I'll take the tags out. I just didn't want it to be a ridiculously long topic :P And should I use: EE + yip EE + Yip + Mage pots EE + Wolpertinger Uni Uni + Mage pots Protect Melee

Nice minimap in edgeville. Thank you, very much, Quaggy. <3:

About time I go this level out of the way <3

This doesn't allow him to sell his kit for anything more than ge price... fury kit - 1.9m 528m cash - 528m option a: sell fury kit max in ge: 2m total gp after this option: 530m gp option b: trade fury kit and 528m for an elysian, sell elysian max in ge: 556.3m total gp after this option: 556.3m so he would be 26.3m richer this way Didn't think of this, good point. But I don't think op has 528m in items =/