Miskatake

Eh, I still got PJed after this update. But, it was the F2P Bounty.. PJing still exists, atleast, in F2P. I didn't see any 1-itemers. Now I saw more no-itemers. Then I saw players who took training swords, normal staves, bronze swords, any kind of weapon which are considered to be 'nooby' weapons for high levels..well, these idiots just patrol the PvP area and waste people's food. I noticed that the amount of no-itemers and these idiots increased. lmao =D> Then I decided to bank my stuff and go for a walk (run) in the F2P PvP area. I checked Rimmington, and guess what, I found four players in the archer shop, they were 26king there. Two pairs, four players, 26king. I decided to tell them that 26kers fail hard..They started to harass me, and all of a sudden about two white dots appear on the minimap. Oh crap, my little journey lead one clan after me. Luckily, they could attack the 26kers too, and so I escaped.

I agree with you man..why can't they just make it so that you cannot be attacked in 20 seconds if the previous attacker stopped attacking. This would kill PJing instantly.. but of course, Jagex has to make it so that more players suffer for these [bleep]ed up updates

I'd just like to go Christian Bale Rant on every damn RWTer, 26ker, 1/3-itemer, PJer, and macroer. Now, the question Christian Bale asked: What the [bleep] were you doing? (a question for the idiots I stated above)

Why does Jagex have the habit of changing everything which is in a fine state already. I'm not only talking about this update, but in general. Now, about this update.. Positive effects: A) 1-iteming will be reduced a lot, but not completely. 4-iteming will die, as you have auto-skull and no item prot.. B) Pjing will be reduced. C) Old time PKers enjoy this, you can have honour fights now. No sign of safety, only risk. D) 26king..well, you lose everything now, but in F2P..it's still the same, but in members, it's 76king. The same thing, but you lose everything when you die. The auto-skull doesn't really have an effect on this.. Neutral effects: A) Price drops. Godswords, D-claws..you name it. Some will be used in Clan Wars, bosses..and minigames, but prices will drop for the popular PVP weapons. Some like this, some do not. Negative effects: A) Fun fights get complicated, no protect items, auto skull..and you can't give the stuff back to your friend, as the damn trade limit blocks you from doing that. No DH fights..whip fights..oh well, I guess people start playing Clan Wars 1v1 and Duel Arena more..that's positive I think? B) 26king (F2P) & 76king (P2P)..honestly I don't care about this one, the only difference is you lose your stuff, no effect on 76king..please, we need to get rid of this 26king/76king thing. C) No protect item, it has always been around, in the old days too. Gets rid of 1-iteming and 4-iteming, but..still..Jagex has to come up with a better idea. I'm starting to hate this game even more, but I have stopped playing ages ago. Just visited to see how the riots were, and tested PvP again. I blame: Jagex for their [cabbage]ty solutions. 26kers (76kers now) for causing these updates. :x Merch clans for raising prices and lowering prices, it's like a freaking wave now, up & down, up & down..the economy was more stable back in the old days.. The [bleep]ing RWTers for screwing up the trade, Wilderness and Duel Arena. 1-itemers, 4-itemers, PJers & hit 'n runners for being a part of this update. You must be damn proud of yourself now. I know they're tactics to PK, but they're stupid. Hit 'n runners especially, you just made the prices of D claws go down.

The picture with Mod Jouni and the other player are both Finnish, and yeah, Mod Jouni said it, there will be F2P quests coming.

The problem with the PvP drops is that you get random loot from your enemy, not the exact loot he/she was wearing and carrying with him/her. This is the problem which is causing price drops and raises. In Bounty Hunter and the good old Wild, you could get all of the loot from your opponent. But in PvP worlds, you sometimes get more loot than you should, sometimes less.

Indeed, but when the prepaid cards will be available in most countries with a lot of RS players (Sweden just got them, then there's Finland, Germany, Norway..etc), membership will be more easy to get.

It's official then: This rant fails.

Another foolish P2P fool. Care to even read my post I made, none of the stuff is P2P. Oh and Jagex seems to keep the easier P2P paying methods for the Americans..FOOL.

Right. So the real question isn't "Should f2p get something tougher?", it's "Should f2p get better rewards for killing tough monsters?" Hey, I was stating that Revenants need slight increase in their loot value, 20-800 gp is a joke. But of course, lower level revenants would have weaker drops, and higher level revenants higher drops. This would actually work, then F2P would have a damn use for Loot/Coin-Share. High leveled Revs 90-120 would drop Rune SQs (not a common drop but not extremely rare), rune chainbodies (very rare), rune warhammers (rare), 8-18 nature, law and water runes (common), 11-19 adamant arrows (very common), noted adamant and coal ore (adamant 5..coal 10..this would make the smelting oven in the Wild useful, as it is near the Bounty Hunter bank, common), ruby and diamond amulets (uncommon), limpwurt roots noted (4 limps, common), earth and fire staves (common), and finally green d'hide bodies.. (uncommon) Mid-leveled Revs 60-90 would drop Rune Full Helms (rare), Adamant Platebodies and legs (uncommon), mithril arrows (8-15, common) and adamant arrows (5-9, uncommon), Rune Maces (rare), noted mithril and coal ore (mithril 4, coal 7, common), diamond rings and ruby rings (uncommon), ruby and emerald amulets (between common and uncommon), cosmic and air and death and law (9-14 common, deaths and laws in less numbers), blessed symbols (common), air staves (common), and finally green d'hide legs.. (uncommon) Low leveled Revs 20-50 would drop Adamant Chainbodies, warhammers and kiteshields (rare), Mithril Kiteshields and platelegs (uncommon), fire, air and chaos and law runes (common, laws and chaos runes in less numbers), noted steel bars, iron ore and iron bars (steel bars 3; uncommon. Iron ores 6; Common. Iron bars 4; Common.) Unstrung symbols (common), steel, iron and mithril arrows (9-15, mithril arrows in less numbers, common), maple shortbows (common), sapphire amulets and emerald rings (common) and finally studded bodies and green d'hide vambs (common)..

I must've been high or very tired when I mistyped Magic is a support skill.

Well the amount of GP i've had was around 200 coins. The loot needs tweaking..

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The funny thing is that you can smith Dragon Platebodies at level 92 but you need 99 to smith a damn Rune Platebody. Fix it.

I care to disagree. I believe that (In F2P at least) Magic is not primarily used for combat, but instead used to supplement and make easier one's everyday goings in RS a bit easier. Take for example the most used magic in F2P, teleports, used simply to get from one place to another much faster, there's high alching; something used commonly to pro-long camping at monsters. Superheating ores isn't a terrible way to get low cost (or even profitable) mage and smithing experience. In fact, I would say that outside of Fist of Guthix, Magic is rarely used in combat at all. Also yes, it's true; training magic is F2P is quite useless past the level needed to High Alch and to teleport to all F2P locations. The only real purpose (in F2P) of training the magic skill to be be more effective when using it in combat, or when blocking against magical attacks. Do note that I am talking about Magic in F2P specifically. I respectfully disagree. Magic's main use is SUPPOSED to be combat, and it has a VERY VERY important side use, and that is to supplement and make easier everyone's everyday goings in RS. In recent years, however, magic has evolved (EDIT: devolved) such that the secondary use of it (though still important) has become like the main use, and also overshadowing it. This is due to the fact that f2p magic is useless AFTER lvl 50-60 combat and above and costs incredibly huge amounts of money for what it does. I think you mistook magic's main use to be to supplement and make easier everyone's everyday goings in RS. I don't blame you. It seems that the prevalent use for magic these days is to teleport, etc, not combat. Ehem. Magic is not a supporting skill, but anyways do the mage pures get any kind of loot these days? No of course not if you're a pure mage and haven't done any kind of quests..with your main you do get spare loot..But if you PK with a clan/team, Mages are asked to snare, teleblock, anything which prevents your enemy from doing specific actions. That's about it then. Magic is also the slowest of all classes. If Jagex WOULD tweak Magic so that you could hit much faster and accurate with spells when you achieve certain levels. Maybe you would get faster and accurate starting from 50-60, and it would be like the Runecrafting Multiple Essence table..2x, 2.5x etc. Rangers get much more loot because they are fast. Yew bows and Rune Arrows in F2P wouldn't hurt us rangers. And the mage would get the contemporary spell book (sees_all1's IDEA) and the accuracy-speed thing I suggested.

Well that was original, greedy P2P fool.

^ Well that leads to 'improving F2P combat triangle' then. Or 'increasing the loot gained from revenants'..Then the F2P would have reasonable Group PvMing

Dag Kings etc. ? Umm, the rest of the deserted places pls? Dag Kings aren't even deserted.. Oh and speaking of failure.. "More, just to be sure I got what I wanted, so naturally I want more What I paid for, entertain me now All I want is more, cos I like it Too good to let it go, keep it coming Cos I want more, cos I'm not sure What I really wanted, so all I want is more" Taken from a song called More That's what you guys want. I'm fine with this year because Jagex finally allowed F2P to post on the forums, major bug fixing and major tweaks. Loving the rest update too. P2P Magic and F2P Magic and Ranged skills need to be tweaked, so they would not be weak.

I'm a hybrid pure and I make money by PKing and skilling..but then again, would that make my account a not-so-main-account-with-1def?

The deposit boxes are gone. There's a new NPC though, he'll bank your cowhides and raw beef, but that's it. He won't accept bones, and he runs a general store too. He'll keep one cowhide/ piece of beef for every 5 cowhides/beef you put in the bank. Jagex fixes things that ain't broke. Same goes with prayer flashing. :evil: Well, I know some good ways to make money too. You could kill monkeys at Karamja (Musa Point), at the volcano. Sell the monkey bones at GE. OR buy chocolate bars in the Port Sarim food store, and sell them at GE. People buy them for cooking.. (chocolate cakes etc.) You could kill Flesh Crawlers/Minotaurs for runes, iron arrows.. Buy vials at GE and fill them at the Falador well (at the barbershop, near the western bank) and bank, sell at GE. You gotta wait for the vials to go up in price. Same goes with talismans/bones from men/chicken. Buy clay at GE, buy 14 empty buckets/jugs, fill them, and withdraw 14 pieces of clay from your bank and turn them into soft clay. OR you could buy every piece of mithril/addy/rune set and then turn them into a set. Sell at GE. Repeat and you'll get profit.. OR YOU COULD JUST TRAIN THOSE NON-CB SKILLS, LIKE I DO. SKILLER PURES RULE.

The majority of the people here are complaining about the stupid players RANTING about the Wilderness Pking removal/Bounty Hunter removal. There are player mods, and I suppose they will be patrolling the Rants forum by force now. Along with the Jagex mods actually reading the good rants. J mods do read our well-made rants, thanks to the new CEO. And people, how could Jagex read the criticism in the same forum with compliments? "thanks jagex" here, "stuck with a 5 year old name" (which is a real rant, the author wants that we all could change our RS name) there.

Wow, I can't believe they really took out the F2P Mage and Ranged attack prayers out..I used them.. And gave us the 3 prayers we don't even need? What the hell? I hope the deposit crates are still at the Lumby field..I hate Jagex a bit if they took them out too.

My personal wishes: A) More bank space, still that 68 spaces doesn't seem to be enough for me, I have used banking guides, doesn't help at all for a skiller. B) More quests, maybe two new quests with a reasonable reward, maybe a combat quest and a skilling/puzzle quest. C) The F2P Skillcapes and hoods. It would be nice if they would have a pretty mark/icon which shows that if this cape is achieved as a F2P or as a P2P. The stats (like the prayer bonus) would be slighty decreased from the P2P stat boosts. 100/99 would still remain though. Getting the capes could a problem. Because the most of the Skillcape NPCs are on the P2P side, some of the F2P skills could get a F2P Cape NPC. Create new Skillcape NPCs or change some NPCs, like the Ranging Tutor for F2P. ( the Ranged cape, Ranging Guild is in the P2P worlds) D) Magic needs a boost for F2P, the new FOG armour doesn't really increase anything. Snare and some new spells (not for low-mid level magers though, they dominate F2P at those levels) would be great for the F2P mager. E) Rune arrows and the Yew bows. And maybe the Red D' Hide armour. F) Give us the freedom to have Fancy Gloves fitting with the Fancy Boots. The gloves fit with the Fighting Boots. G) If Jagex could create Achievement Diaries for the P2P cities, it would be great if Jagex changes the Varrock and the Falador diaries F2P. Of course the P2P tasks could remain still, but it would be great if Jagex would create a F2P side for these two cities (and maybe the upcoming F2P ones?) That's it. 6 wishes. I don't demand them, it would be great if these happened.

I am currently training my skiller account. I like to wear the iron plateskirt (Defense 1 at the moment) while training. The price, and it has the same defense status as the iron platelegs have. BUT, there is a one small great/bad (my opinion is great) thing about skirts. They cause confusion to your enemies while you are playing PvP minigames. Me, as an old Wilderness PKer, have noticed that the other players tend to attack the players who are wearing platelegs. I don't know if it's about the price (I don't believe so, iron/steel is worthless, although if they're facing a Rune Pure with platelegs, then the PKers are thinking about the cash) or about the usual pure outfit.. (pure PKers like to of course fight other pures) But I have managed to run through Edgeville Wilderness hotspot to Black Warrior Castle (known as Castle) without being attacked. And I was wearing a Rune Skirt with a Green D'Hide Body and I was wearing a Coif, and a Rune Plateshield.