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It makes sense to say both imo. I'm not offended by those sayings because the reality is that many people just don't have self control.

What are you actually trying to accomplish? If you want your javascript code to be accessible as an embedded script on another website you'll want to actually use a hosting service (like stev suggested) or you could try some kind of open source software repository like google code or github.

That's exactly what I'm trying to get at, stated much more eloquently. Thanks!

Yes, accountability is a good word. I don't mean trials, I just mean looking at criminal actions. And I'm not talking about legal action here, and have never been....

Yet despite the fact that I've repeatedly stated the victim does not deserve what happened to them nor should they be punished, you throw the generic "blame the victim" accusation at me instead of actually responding to my post. Give me any crime, and scenario. I imagine for the vast majority of those I'll be able to point out how the decisions of the victim(s) contributed to the crime. Perhaps "responsible" isn't the right word to use (I'll address that in my response to Omar). I don't disagree with your post, I only insist that by exercising your rights you may have contributed to an undesirable outcome. Perhaps "responsible" isn't what I mean then, or at least not from a legal sense. I've already said multiple times that the kind of responsibility I'm speaking of (for lack of a better word) shouldn't affect the punishment. There's a kind of feeling that rape and other such crimes are inevitable that I take issue with, which is why I've been responding in this manner. There are things people can do, ways they can behave to lessen the chances they'll be victimized - yet such things are often ignored and I find that disappointing. And it's not just with rape, it's with the majority of crimes. Common sense and caution are virtues often (unfortunately) sadly lacking when examining criminal actions.

Look at the word responsibility, think about where it comes from, and then try to distinguish "moral responsibility" and "responsibility" again. Moral responsibility, to me (in this instance) is about whether or not someone deserves to be punished for their actions. Someone who decides to rape is morally responsible for the crime and should be punished. Someone who acts naively and puts themselves in a situation where they can be taken advantage of is responsible in the sense that the decisions they've made contributed to the outcome, but not morally responsible in the sense that they should be punished.

Because someone has made the decision to: Put themself in a situation where they do not have full control over their body and emotions Put themself in a situation where they are more vulnerable then they would be otherwise put themself in a situation where they must rely on others to ensure they aren't harmed How do those things not contribute to an eventual unfortunate circumstance? Once again: I'm not saying someone who gets raped while drunk deserves to be raped. But by making different decisions they could have effected a different outcome: that's what responsibility is.

This is stupid. It does make them in part responsible. It doesn't mean they deserve to be raped, or that the rapist isn't responsible (and shouldn't be prosecuted/punished), but the decisions they made directly contributed to an outcome - that is responsibility, albeit partial. If I went into a poor neighborhood in the middle of the night naked with wads of hundred dollar bills in my hands shouting at the top of my lungs "I have thousands of dollars in cash on me and no means to defend myself", and I got robbed, you wouldn't say that I am in no way responsible for getting robbed. Yet that's what you're claiming when it comes to being taken advantage of while drunk. EDIT: If we're talking purely about moral responsibility, that can be different. Responsibility and moral responsibility aren't necessarily the same.

For some reason, I felt like watching Star Wars episode 3. What a bad movie. I hadn't realized how bad the writing was the first time I watched it...but the dialogue is just so awkward...

How can an anecdote be horrible? I never made any such claim. I said it happens, and gave a personal anecdote from my life to prove that. I never said it was the majority of the cases, nor do I think that's the case.

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Well, let's see. He got kicked out of school, shunned by all his friends, and (probably) spent some time in jail too. So yeah, that did [bleep] up his life.

good thing nobody said they didn't e- i mean i didnt actually read most of the thread so someone might have but i dunno i assume nobody said that Ginger was implying it's extremely rare and not relevant, I'm saying it is.

Interestingly enough, the same woman who I mentioned earlier falsely accused a guy of raping her as well. It went all the way to trial...luckily he got off but she pretty much ruined his life, and she wasn't punished in any way. These things do happen.

This can apply to both sides imo (and should).

Agree completely. @constrictor: of course it is. In fact I know of a guy who had something similar happen to him (he was passed out drunk and woke up to a woman on top of him...not sure of the gory details, but anyway). was she hot??? No, she was an (apparent) lesbian who looked like a dude.

Agree completely. @constrictor: of course it is. In fact I know of a guy who had something similar happen to him (he was passed out drunk and woke up to a woman on top of him...not sure of the gory details, but anyway).

Fault, or blame, is almost never black and white. That's one of the most important things you learn in history class: most events are caused by a series of things or multiple people, all of whom had some effect on the situation. I'm not saying someone deserves to be raped. No one deserves to be raped. But if a person chooses to get blindly drunk in a less than ideal situation, they are in part responsible for what happens to them.

Well, that was...interesting. Still, we did way better than most people expected...looking forward to next year!

Ahh the joys of contraceptives. They're like the gift that keeps on giving :)

Okay, I'm up to date. There are way too many freaking plotlines in this show.

I <3 leo

I may buy the dvds when they come out. we'll see

thanks for the tip, was quite good quality. I'd have actually paid to watch the third season. Not a huge amount, but something. Pity no such option exists for me (to the best of my knowledge)

Finished season 2, continuing to really enjoy it. I don't have cable, any suggestions for watching season 3 episodes in high quality? I don't mind paying if it's worth it...