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^^ Thanks. One of my online buddies showed me a Japanese shoegazing band called Hartfield. They are no My Bloody Valentine but I still think they're a good band. They make music not far off Loveless-era My Bloody Valentine, but more poppy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOnfHDBW7SA

Everyone gets teased. It's best not to take people seriously. That said, I did end up joining the side of the bullies.

Thanks for that How2, I'll check them out.

Wow, you guys need to stop being so fired up and masculine and enjoy some pop music.

Unbroken is a pretty awesome hardcore band.

My Bloody Valentine and Radiohead made me explore alternative and indie music, and as for metal, it was probably Iron Maiden.

Well... I think it's more internet hooligans and kids? But i agree with you, these kind of threads (no matter which forum) usually turns to "sucks" or "they rule". Let's listen to some Rush and have an imaginary beer. Same crap applies to shoegaze and indie rock circles, but the fans are generally older and not bloody testosterone-charged high schoolers. There can be a mature discussion over why a band sucks, but 99% of metalheads are either too young, too elitist, or they just don't care enough. I think that metal is the most labelled for having the worst fanbase ever because of Metal-Archives and like sites that promote their brand of elitism so strongly across the internet. In before "yeah SilverSword, this is all well, but you trashed Pantera!" Well, you might as well PM me if you want a logical post about why I hate Pantera because if I post one here I'll just get told to bugger off. [see]

Pantera stoped with the ballads to make true metal, Metallica cut off the true metal to make ballads and bad songs. Oh, come ON. I don't know what you're trying to get at but you're trashing a band for selling out, which is why metalheads suck #1. What's wrong with ballads anyway? Sure, they're sappy, but all popular metal bands have written ballads. So what if Metallica became a modern rock band? They're old now; they can't really thrash anymore. Just look at what happened to all the other 80s thrash bands - even Megadeth don't really thrash like they did in Rust in Peace. I'm no fan of Metallica either - I don't actually listen to much metal anymore. People like you and a few others made me wanted to disassociate myself with metal because you can't get anything into your head if someone listens to something that isn't metal or shares a different opinion on a metal band that you choose to fanboy so ardently. I [bleep]ing hate metalheads.

Check out Mono - Hymn to the Immortal Wind form something similar. King Crimson - Indiscipline

Larks' Tongues in Aspic is amazing. I fanboy Discipline quite a lot too. Oh, and some Porcupine Tree is prog-influenced but the majority of it is modern rock. In my opinion: really overrated, but still decent.

Haha wow, you listen to Änglagård? Kung Bore is such a fantastic song. Their CDs are basically impossible to get a hold of though... I think they just released a couple of hundred copies or something. A friend of mine is good friends with the bass player. I'm not very well-versed in what exactly constitutes prog rock, and it doesn't particularly interest me either - but according to that list I listen to quite a bit of it. Rush, Atomic Rooster, Camel, Van der Graaf Generator, Birth Control, Wishbone Ash (?) Roxy Music, Magnum, Fates Warning, The Mars Volta (they're prog, right?) and of course Porcupine Tree. I suppose Grand Funk Railroad is more funk hard-rock, but I'll mention them anyway. I tend not to obsess with genres much, though. Good job on the OP, btw. Anglagard is an amazing band indeed. Probably one of my best discoveries in prog rock since I started listening to it last May. Yeah, can't say I've seen any CDs for sale anywhere but I do keep my eye out for things like that. It is pretty surprising when people realise the influences that prog bands draw from - and to tell you this, I don't think there is any real consititution for prog rock apart from a willingness for adventure and diversion from the norm of the verse-chorus. That's not to say that progressive bands can't have verse-chorus songs too: if it were to be all in one style, the 'progressive' element gets distorted and the listener loses sight due to the lack of variety, and variety in the music is what fascinates me most about progressive rock, and to a lesser extent, progressive metal. (However, progressive metal from my experiences is traditional metal structures combined into extended compositions rather than music that gives you food for thought. The trouble with many prog metal bands is that they don't really let you wander off into your own meanings of the music.) And as for the OP - I was getting a bit tired of the lacklustre threads really. 1. Opeth was progressive death metal in their early days, and now they're progressive metal with a huge influence from the 70s British prog movement. An Endless Sporadic reminds me of Liquid Tension Experiment, so they are a progressive band. 2. Good that you liked Courts. Moonchild is my favourite from that album actually, and I don't really think it sounds empty. 3. Progressive rock isn't really rock at all. It's nowhere near as defined its younger brother, progressive metal. The 'rock' part is simply there because 'progressive' on its own is meaningless. It's called rock because it uses rock instrumentation but it goes beyond what we know rock to be. When I think of progressive rock I tend to think of elaborate soundscapes rather than power chords, if you get what I mean. 4. I would suggest you listen to all the King Crimson albums up to 1974, and then get Discipline by them. Discipline is a foray into beautiful, relaxing, guitar-driven soft rock. Matte Kudasai [see here] is an absolutely beautiful song. Also, get Tales From Topographic Oceans, Close to the Edge and Fragile by Yes. Tales is probably my most favourite album ever; some call it self-indulgent [bleep]ery but I call it a masterpiece.

You're welcome. Most of those tiny little subdivisions are unnecessary (apart from symphonic prog, zeuhl and krautrock). It's cool that you listen to prog though (aren't you quite young? The world needs more young people enjoying prog) Speaking of zeuhl, you should all check out Koenjihyakkei - Angherr Shisspa and Magma - Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh. The latter is probably one of the most important prog albums of all time, but it's obscure and inaccessible due to the nonsensical nature of both the music and lyrics. That said, it's worth a listen. Koenjihyakkei is an amazing band - masters of Japanese avant-prog. @Sxq: Loads of bands are classified as progressive rock nowadays, but to me it all seems too structured to be prog. Porcupine Tree and Tool are good examples of this misclassifcation. I used to believe that Porcupine Tree was a progressive rock band - but they're more like modern rock that uses some metal elements and sometimes extended compositions. Same goes for Tool - alternative metal with some influences of progressive music, but they aren't a progressive band. The aforementioned Muse isn't prog either - Wikipedia has them labelled as new-prog, but seriously, Anglagard is new-prog (symphonic prog made after the 1970s) and Muse is a britpop band in my opinion. Also, Mars Volta is new-prog, so they count. In before angry Tool fans claiming that Tool is the most progressive and esoteric band ever.

Progressive rock. Generally regarded as a genre of music that you dad likes. However, recently, I've been listening to more progressive stuff (in particular, Yes and King Crimson) and I love the genre. For me, no other genre can spark off the same sense of awe that progressive rock does. Now, if you're wondering what progressive rock is, I have a little chart: [hide=][/hide] Progressive rock originated in the 60s - its roots come from bands such as The Beatles and The Mothers of Invention. However, in 1969, King Crimson released the now widely-acclaimed In the Court of the Crimson King: An Observation by King Crimson - which is now regarded as the first progressive rock album ever. Also, in 1969, Yes released their self-titled debut. However, it is debatable whether that album is progressive rock or proto-prog. From 1969 to 1974, bands such as Genesis, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Van der Graaf Generator and the aforementioned King Crimson and Yes released a flurry of intriguing, enigmatic, pretentious and dynamic records that defined the genre. In my opinion, King Crimson started and ended prog rock with In the Court of the Crimson King in 1969 and Red in 1974. Also of note are the first 6 Yes albums and the first 3 Van der Graaf Generator albums. I find Genesis a little boring, but that shouldn't stop you from checking them out. Same with ELP. What I don't want to see in this thread: - Progressive metal (Dream Theater, Queensryche, etc) - Muse - Mathcore/Progressive metalcore (Between the Buried and Me, Dillinger Escape Plan, Disillusion) - Tool (not prog) This was intended for the discussion of progressive rock, not its heavier deviations and mislabelled bands. Discuss. Edit: Sorry about the chart - I use a wide resolution so I didn't notice it being potentially large for some users.

Dictius te Necare is awesome. Suicide music is cool.

Mikaela's Fiend A noise rock band from Seattle. I can't find much information on them but they sound like no-wave era Sonic Youth crossed with Japanese noise rock band Melt-Banana. They make fast, dynamic music that's interesting to listen to. They only have one album made up entirely of untitled tracks: We Can Driving Machine.

Thanks, I just looked them up on Google and the synposis I'm getting tells me that I would most likely enjoy them. I'll recommend: The Decemberists. They are quite popular, but mainly in indie rock circles. "The Decemberists are an indie rock band from Portland, Oregon, United States, fronted by singer/songwriter Colin Meloy. The other members of the band are Chris Funk (guitar, multi-instrumentalist), Jenny Conlee (hammond organ, accordion, melodica, piano, keyboards), Nate Query (bass guitar, string bass), and John Moen (drums, backing vocals, melodica). The band's debut EP, 5 Songs, was self-released in 2001. Their fourth full-length album, The Crane Wife, was released on October 3, 2006 by Capitol Records, and is the band's first appearance on a major label." I've only heard their latest album: The Hazards of Love, but it's a really great record. Beautiful music from start to finish. : The Decemberists - The Rake's Song

This topic has really gone down the [cabbage]ter. Jaerk: I'll recommend Broken Social Scene to you. "Broken Social Scene are a Juno Award winning Canadian indie rock band, a musical collective currently including nineteen members, formed in 1999 by Kevin Drew and Brendan Canning. All of its members currently play in various other groups and solo projects, mainly based around the city of Toronto. The band refuses the label "supergroup," based on size or the ubiquity of their members, claiming that in the indie scene everyone is involved in more than one project. The group's sound could be considered a combination of all of its members' respective musical projects, and is usually identified as baroque pop. It is characterized by a very large number of sounds, grand orchestrations featuring guitars, horns, woodwinds, and violins, unusual song structures, and an experimental, and sometimes chaotic production style from David Newfeld." As for an album to get, 'You Forgot it in People' is my favourite one and it is regarded as their best work by my friends and I. : Broken Social Scene - Anthems for a Seventeen-Year-Old Girl

Metallica sold out since the Black Album. Not only that, but also, everything they did after the black album wasn't just not Thrash metal anymore, but it wasn't even good music. The Black Album may have not been Thrash metal but at least it was enjoyable. :thumbdown: And you decided to bite my head off because I trashed Pantera? Hmm, something isn't right here, guys.

I've settled for Clamwin and Spybot S&D for my anti-malware.

Hardcore and death metal really don't fit together that well. See: most deathcore bands

I don't love metal anymore. I became a hipster.

I can only make suicide noises like Rainer Landfermann, sorry. It's all about forcing air up from your diaphragm into your throat. Also, if it doesn't hurt at first, you are doing it wrong.

^^ No, keep HIM and Ville Valo away from me Also: Pantera was the first nu-metal band ever, and I was subjected to 30 minutes of that [cabbage]e on Wednesday. Terrible, terrible band. Now this is more like it.

I don't have the patience to run through all the issues it could be. I switched over to Opera and have used that ever since. Also, I never used more than 2/3 addons, and on my last install on my old PC I had none. Firefox just isn't really optimised for computers with older hardware from my experience. Scrolling was lagging and I was inputting text faster than the browser could register it - which wasn't really fast at all. (Not a fast typer, no more than 40/45wpm)

Autism is pretty prevelant through my dad's side from what my mum has told me. Also; coronary heart disease.