Grimy_Bunyip

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Oh I abandoned those already. 3BO isn't that good right now. and honestly it's not practical to have a perm team all be at the exact same dungeoneering level at all times. You'll inevitably be forced to dg with people you don't know to finish resets.

Your point was the following right? "you can't expect w148 and w117ers to play for the same reasons we do" is very obvious. I can figure that out by consulting my conscience for like 2 seconds. It seems you want to tell us to "be less mean to W148 and W117ers". Which, while it is a perfectly logical point. It has no tangible value in terms of actual application. Your point has no point so to speak.

I NEED to do public dungeons for floors like 57 though. Because not everybody in my perm team has that high a DG level. Nobody in DGS really does. that only leaves 3BO, and their team quality is subpar these days. The only thing stressful about keying is when people don't listen, or he has to shout overtop of an existing conversation to issue orders. everything you just get used to and it feels comfortable after a while.

So you're okay with fooling around, but you're not okay with people who enjoy fighting in Dungeoneering killing all the optional monsters? I'm getting rather mixed messages here. My personal perspective is that I'm fine with fooling around with friends. But if some random stranger joins my dungeon and decides to start fooling around, that's disrespectful. He isn't exactly my buddy. How would you feel if some drunk meandered into your house and started puking in the toilet. I mean, if it was someone I know, sure, I'm cool with that. Social circumstances change when you're with friends. If I don't know you, I expect a greater degree of politeness and courtesy (not as much as in IRL as this is the internet)

Obsidian maul is far too slow to justify using over a slayer or sacred clay staff. Same argument that the CR is better then the CLS. if you assume 99 strength, no potions Regen bracelet Amulet of fury/berserker necklace Berserker ring (i) you get the following max damage per tick values: Obby maul w/ Zerk neck: 50 Obby Maul w/ Fury neck: 41.7 Slay Staff w/ Fury neck: 39 Clay Staff w/ Fury neck: 41.6 It would seem, that in spite of the obby maul's slow attack speed, its damage output is still very very formidable.

It's very good for places like Nex and DKs where prayer potions are the limiting factor to camping time, and KC/run time take too long. it's supposedly a 2/3rds prayer drain rate, that does not suffer from diminishing returns like prayer bonus.

And there, I'd say you should soulsplit chaotic maul :P Afterall the wyverns can only max hit 500 damage with their icebreath and they only use that 1/3rd of the time. between 15 minute graves and the fact that plenty of dungeoneering skeletons can probably hit just as high, I really don't see the point of being so scared of a 500 LP max hit.

Google > All H&A answer-ers in 99% of scenarios tbh :) ppl would be surprised as to how often they can get an answer by copying and pasting their question into google :D

I'm enjoying this thread :D

I had this conversation with Racheya a while back. Efficiency does not imply that if everybody were efficient, that everybody would be doing the same exact thing.

Your welcome :) And go [bleep] yourself :)

I don't think gilded altar stacks with them anymore. Uses per prayer brawler: 1275 please refer to this guide for brawler glove info, as it kicks much rear: http://forum.tip.it/topic/218712-the-guide-to-using-brawling-gloves-wip/

Why did it get reset then? :oops: Thanks, Quenya I don't know. :( Jagex wouldn't do that without sending you a report. you should check your message logs and find out, and petition if given the option. PS don't beg for money, it's unsightly ;)

It's not really obvious that a 138 rusher will do better than a lvl 3 skiller. Because a lvl 3 skiller can lower the combat level of the monsters. Pro lvl 3 skillers are able to provide a constant flow of prayer potions and melee potions for the room clearers to turmoil and pot the entire floor. Which is why some people like DGing with a single skiller, as, it CAN be faster than with a 138 rusher in his place. And I never said anything about someone who is not efficient at DG being mutated or diseased. I said they lack manners. You make it sound like I think there's something inherently wrong with them. No, I just dislike their attitude towards social circumstances. and for the THIRD time this thread. I didn't say I judge people for doing floors slowly. I said that if I was forced into a position where I had to dg with 4 ppl who liked DGing slowly. I would DG slowly. I said, specifically, multiple times. That the majority of scenarios, are that of rushers with a few slower DGers. And that if these slower DGers think they are entitled to DG slowly even if they are in the minority, they are just very selfish.

there are good lvl 3 skillers that can pull their weight in dungeoneering floors, and are accepted in clans like 3BO I know people who go out of their way to DG with such certain skillers who've made a name for themself. So yes I would fault a lvl 3 skiller for sucking. idk what PKing has to do with this. That's not team related. There's nothing wrong with a person wanting to do a floor in an hour. There is something wrong with a person wanting to do a floor in an hour, when 4 players on the team want to do the floor in 20 minutes. And the person wanting to do the floor in an hour is stubborn about his preferences. I mean, hypothetically, if I were in a team with 4 slow DGers. Sure, i'd be polite and oblige and do a 1 hour floor with them so they can have fun. (granted I would never put myself in this position in the first place) But, I'm pretty sure most DGers prefer fast floors. Heck, lets make a poll and find out.

You're basically trying to argue that since both parties are frustrated, neither is at fault. Fault exists, I don't understand what you gain from brushing it off as just a matter of preferences.

I'd agree if the community was actually well segregated between slow and rush DGers. Because then slow and rush DGers could both have the respective type of fun they want. But it's not. Pretty much everybody who dungeoneers will encounter dozens of other players who are infinitely worse than themselves. And these encounters are frustrating because they waste people's time. There would be nothing wrong if this did not happen, but it does. Dungeoneering is a situation where, most players, will be forced to play with players they are not familiar with. It's just common courtesy to not waste other people's time in these scenarios. And in this case, it can be done by not sucking.

Lol you give pretty half assed advice you know that?

Only once. After you get your tokens back once, you can never do it again.

slash weak monsters? that actually have high defense? can you actually name any? They don't really exist.

i wouldn't use CCBow at TD's, because karils crossbow/handcannon are so much better there. CCbow is great for arma and nex. I wouldnt use maul at DKs Karils should be faster kills, but ccbow would be (SLIGHTLY) longer range and puts you at marginally less risk (crossbows are still pretty short range though) I've heard of people that use magic longbow(s) or other longrange weapons for this reason. I hear maul is good at bandos and sara, never done those though. And I prefer maul over rapier at TD's

2h with berserker ring is better for teams, where you should have some celestial surgeboxes. I might consider a spear for solos? Probably not though. Solos tend to have monsters with lower def, and the raw damage output of a 2h + berserker is more desireable. Yeah spears are pretty outdated since the release of berserker ring :P spear has lower damage output than 2h + berserker, and it has lower slash/crush accuracy all that leaves it with is stab + poison.

From my understanding elysian is useless at bandos and DK's Apparently you can already camp Bandos for ~2 hours at a time with just good soulsplitting and bones to peaches. And ely supposedly only boosts DK trips by a dozen or so kills, im not so sure about DKs. I had a friend buy an ely, use it at DKs, and tell me he didn't really think it made a difference. Wouldn't know about DKs personally as I don't hunt them due to lack of effigy drops. I would never use an ely at TD's. the travel time back to TD's is only 3 mins. And generally you don't need defense at all for TDs. solo zamorak and saradomin are pretty bad money these days, but maybe CLS is better? depends on if zamorak and saradomin GWD are weak to stab or not. I've heard that zilyanna is weak to stab. If that is the case, rapier is better. Same applies to zamorak GWD. Which according to rswiki, he is weak to stab.

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