muggiwhplar

Might I ask who you are talking about, specifically? I do try to be friendly...I'm just not very good at it... You, glandringg, J35u5, Misterknowitall

I'd like you to back that up with facts. viewtopic.php?f=66&t=765267 The problem with that is that no one has conclusive data that everyone in the debate agrees with. So, there will always be people yelling 'slayer sucks!' or 'slayer is awesome' without actually knowing who is right. Compfreak's entire argument is that armored zombies are better melee experience per hour than slayer. However, slayer is undeniably the best way to max combat or total level. It's only good if you're interested in having a high slayer level or going for maxed total level, really. If slayer is truly the best way to get charms, profit, and experience, then why does everybody quit training on slayer tasks after 85/90/99 slayer?

wow there sure are a lot more trolls on tipit nowadays :| (I'm not talking about the OP)

because it's better than black d'hide for fight caves The only thing that makes it better IIRC is mage def and i didn't think you got attacked by mage... Karils has better range and mage def than black d'hides. You don't need melee def because you use safespots on all of the monsters which attack with melee. You need range def because of the 90s, which you receive significantly more attacks from than the meleers. http://www.tip.it/runescape/index.php?i ... it=Compare Does 2 defence help you really get hit less? Well you asked while people use Karil's top... I told you why it's better. As you can see from your figures, it is indeed better. Is it better? Yes. But will you be able to tell the difference? Probably not.

I got 99 range via ranging aviansies then spending the profit on chins. I just camped at the aviansies for about 1-2 hours daily, then the next day I'd do chins for 1-2 hours, then alternate that method until I was 99 range. After 99 range, I got to 20M range XP just from using range in practically every activity I partake in (boss hunting, PvP minigames, etc) *Points to range XP* :thumbsup:

because it's better than black d'hide for fight caves The only thing that makes it better IIRC is mage def and i didn't think you got attacked by mage... Karils has better range and mage def than black d'hides. You don't need melee def because you use safespots on all of the monsters which attack with melee. You need range def because of the 90s, which you receive significantly more attacks from than the meleers.

Armadillo without the 'o' :thumbup: edit, for extra effect: arm (as in your those things coming out from your shoulders) uh (as in when you're at a loss of words) dill (as in the kind of pickle... or that character that marked end of the golden age of nickelodeon)

because it's better than black d'hide for fight caves

There is better no long term training spot, money maker and charms combined. The "logical" reason for training slayer is because you want 99 slayer or maxed total. If it weren't for that, I don't think anybody would bother training on slayer tasks when going for charms/money/melee XP. When you think about it, slayer tasks are all just a various assortment of "normal" monsters (i.e. dust devils, black demons, iron dragons, etc.). So... it could almost be said that you're just getting all your charms/profit off of killing 100,000 dust devils. But we all know that nobody trains on those monsters for reasons other than for slayer. Why don't they? Because in terms of melee XP, profit, and charms, slayer is inefficient :P The "long term" only exists if you want 99 slayer imo

20-30 hours apparently

lol there's no need to resort to insults, we were doing perfectly fine debating without them. Anyways, your combat level serves two purposes: as a gauge of your strength, and more importantly, a way to determine fair fights in PvP (primarily the wilderness). I understand what you're saying about fighting slayer monsters w/o training slayer. However, what I don't understand is why you think slayer should influence your combat level. Yes you won't be able to fight certain monsters... but that's just the same as with any other skill. The higher your skill, the more available options you get (i.e. making higher lvl potions). It feels kinda like you and Sadukar just took what I said about not needing slayer to perform better in combat and just took an obvious but impractical example to use against me just for arguments sake :|

That's because a person with maxed melees vs someone with maxed range or maxed mage will almost always win. Melee influences your combat level more than range or mage because 99 att and 99 str is more powerful than 99 range or 99 mage. If you could max combat via mage or range while keeping melees at 1, you'd get beat up by all the people who maxed combat out via melee. In contrast, someone with 99 range against someone with 80 att/str will be more of a fair fight since their combat levels will be about the same. Slayer cannot and never will influence your combat level because no matter what slayer level you have, you won't be getting any extra advantage on an opponent if they haven't trained slayer. It's not like melee or range or mage, where the higher the skill is, the more powerful you become. It's not like prayer, where the higher it is, the longer you can use combat-related prayers to make you perform better in combat. It's not like summoning, where you can summon a familiar to help you out combat. Slayer does not help you in combat. Therefore, it should never influence your combat level.

slayer isn't a combat skill because someone with 1 slayer and maxed melees has no disadvantage against someone with 99 slayer and maxed melees. someone with 1 summoning and maxed melees is at a disadvantage against someone with 99 summoning and maxed melees (assuming they're using familiars) Maxed melee cannot help in Soul wars as much as one with 99. 1 Slayer cannot hunt huge amounts of monsters compared to 99. Do you think that slayer should influence your combat level just because of that?

slayer isn't a combat skill because someone with 1 slayer and maxed melees has no disadvantage against someone with 99 slayer and maxed melees. someone with 1 summoning and maxed melees is at a disadvantage against someone with 99 summoning and maxed melees (assuming they're using familiars)

And then you have to train Slayer again if you want to max out... So you waste time by not training to 99 Slayer really. Indeed. but I have no interest in maxing out :P

Yes but it is a good stat for balance. It is more enjoyable than camping waterfiends for 200 hours, or sitting at AZs for countless hours. Yeah I know - but I've never camped at waterfiends or AZs. I use rock lobsters for charms, TDs for money, and zombie monkeys for combat xp. I have fun barraging rock lobs and hunting TDs, and I don't have to lift a finger for practically 10 minutes at a time at the zombie monkeys :thumbsup:

waste of time in my opinion... I can make more money doing non-slayer things, I can get more combat xp doing non-slayer things, I can get more charms doing non-slayer things :|

I'm calling shenanigans on this claim

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worst update ever, riot w23 kq lair hey I showed up at the kq lair in w 23... a giant beetle attacked me i guess nobody else came because of monster problems

I've never needed brews there, even when I had to use the titan if for some reason your health gets low, just hide and wait for familiar/your spec bar to recharge

its spec owns people w/ god armor and/or protection prayers great for FoG or clawers in PvP

Yes, they haven't developed it properly. Therefore, it's developmentally delayed. Libs with the zingers! \

It's like that for almost every monster in RS lol

Your source on this? Claws went up 1.7M today too, so I don't think they're crashing. . .