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I posted this a long time ago here. If you want to go for absolute maximum including all ridiculous methods you would do demonic thrones for 16 hours like you said and then do talon beast pouches would be the second fastest possible xp/h after demonic thrones. Wanna have a record day? The Set up: 1) Soul Wars: 50k max zeal Only use range and mage while playing the game getting all of the zeal. Do not get more than 150m Attack xp or HP xp. If you are getting close to going over switch to ranged or mage. Stay at 13m strength and defense. 2) Pest Control: 500 max zeal Again don't let your self get over 150m attack or HP while getting these points 3) Penguin Points: 50 max points Just save these for the record day like PC and SW zeal. 4) Dungeoneering: Get exactly 146,816,363 dungeon xp. This will result in 14,681,636 Tokens. 5) Summoning: Saved up about 63k blue charms, 63k water talismans, and 14m shards 6) Effigies: 450 max (Assuming you need at minimum 66 bank slots) Cannon cave crawlers for these to avoid too much cmb xp. Again do not get over 150m attack or HP xp. 7) Vine Sweeper: No max points Get exactly 40 farming and then save up 199,962,776 points 8) Brimhaven Agility Tickets: No max At an average of 15xp per obstacle and an average of 5 obstacles per ticket Assuming you started at lvl 40 agility. You would need 468,000 @ 1k tickets, 300 @ 100 tickets, 25 @ 25 tickets, 10 @ 10 tickets. In total you need to collect 468,335 tickets 9) Slayer points: 64,011 max points Slay until you have 64k points, Do not go over 150m attack, or get any strength/defense xp. Use mage/range to slayer if needed. The Record Day: 1) Spend Soul Wars zeal: 462m xp Spend 20k points on Strength, Spend 20k points on Defense, Spend 5k points on Attack, and spend 5k points on HP 2) Spend Pest Control zeal: 280k xp Spend all 500 points on Attack. 3) Spend Penguin Points: 123,750 xp Spend on any non-cmb skill except farm, dungeon, or agility. 4) Spend Dungeoneering Tokens: 14,681,636 xp (12,067,637* xp) You will have 14,681,636 Tokens. You can either spend all on xp for the record (*)or spend 2,614,000 tokens to get all of the rewards then 12,067,637 on xp. 5) Spend Vine Sweeper points: 199,962,776 xp Spend them all on farming. 6) Spend Agility Tickets: 164,838,278 xp Spend the 468,335 tickets in the highest increments possible to get the most xp. Make sure to use Karamaja Gloves 4 for the bonus xp. 7) Effigies: 79,002,000 xp Use all 450 of the effigies. Don't investigate the farming or the agility options. Use all of the lamps on Dungeoneering. 8) Spend Slayer points: 1.6m xp Spend all 64k points, 400 at a time for 10k slayer xp each time. Assuming this takes you about 2 hours to open all of the effigies, spend all of the points/tokens/tickets, and you need at least an hour to use the bathroom/eat. That leaves 21 hours to spend the blue charms 9) Summoning: 49,341,600 xp Assuming 3k pouches an hour use all 63k blue charms, or as many as possible. So in total your record day would result in a staggering 921,488,441 xp O.o If one wanted to get 1b xp in a day they would have to do at least 80m construction with demonic thrones. However, if you were already doing 80m with demonic thrones you might as well get 200m with them in 15 hours and then spend the rest of the 6 hours doing geyser titans. I just did these calculations for the fun of it. I realize that no one will ever do this nor ever come close. It would take probably around 2 years of play time just to set up such a day.

That depends entirely on how you plan to accomplish the task. If you want to use the absolute fastest methods. I think Thai calculated it to cost around 40b. But this includes obscene methods like using sweeties for fishing. So 40b or less depending on your methods.

Were they updated or was a new method discovered Yeah there is a new method of using your steel titan to lure crawlers to within your cannons range. I am not 100% on how it works, but if you go to vex's effigyscape guide I think it is in there. Titan 100%, you use it to lure the crawlers to the cannon to get your kills per hour up to 850.

Crawlers are 1.18 effigies per hour now. If you count the range and melee xp with the effigies, you are getting 80k+120k+1.18*138029=362k total xp per hour. I'll go with 350k to not overestimate. If you are using 5.4k cballs per hour @ 244 gp per ball that is 1.318m per hour. So its 1.318m/350k = 3.8 gp per xp. Pretty cheap for an optimal method of training. If you have already maxed melee and range, so you only get the effigy xp you are still 1.18*138029= 162k xp per hour, still spending 1.318m, so that is only 8 gp per xp.

Ah, Effigyscape. Yeah, especially now with the new steel titan luring method, cave crawlers are now 1.185 effigies per hour. So around 350k total xp per hour. Pretty ridiculous.

I thought lilyuffie88 was at rank 1 for a short time too? (xp wise of course) I think it went: 1. various people very early on before there was a clear front runner. Like when a new skills comes out. 2. lilyuffie88 3. zezima 4. n0valyfe 5. zezima 6. gertjaars 7. aasiwat 8. ???we will see??? Telmo is the closest. I am not 100% on that so don't jump down my throat if I am wrong, but feel free to correct me.

more efficient. and srsly talon beast charms arent worth the time It's not about efficiency though, it's about maxing xp so Talons are better. Yes Talons are better, but so is doing demonic thrones, but I put those two in the impossible category and ignored them for these calculation purposes. Doing demonc thrones would take 185b gp. I am pretty sure that no player has ever reached that high. The most I have heard of was 75b. Talon beast charms would take ages to get but they are possible, so if you would like to recalculate for the theoretical maximum go for it. Also keeping a slight sense of practicality it would be easier and get you more total xp to spend your 21 hours running curved and long bones for about 3.3m cons xp per hour. Which is faster than geyster titans.

Where do you have to fish f2p? Lobs on karajama? or is there fishing in dungeon that is faster?

Chilly's day was easily possible and she doesn't have the record Drumgun does by 2.1m. Those records will certainly be broken some day. I did these calculations for fun awhile back to see the maximum possible xp you could get in a day. Even this number is low because running curved and long bones is faster than geyser titans, so that is what you should be doing after all of the point/token/ticket redemption. Wanna have a record day? The Set up: 1) Soul Wars: 50k max zeal Only use range and mage while playing the game getting all of the zeal. Do not get more than 150m Attack xp or HP xp. If you are getting close to going over switch to ranged or mage. Stay at 13m strength and defense. 2) Pest Control: 500 max zeal Again don't let your self get over 150m attack or HP while getting these points 3) Penguin Points: 50 max points Just save these for the record day like PC and SW zeal. 4) Dungeoneering: Get exactly 146,816,363 dungeon xp. This will result in 14,681,636 Tokens. 5) Summoning: Saved up about 63k blue charms, 63k water talismans, and 14m shards 6) Effigies: 450 max (Assuming you need at minimum 66 bank slots) Cannon cave crawlers for these to avoid too much cmb xp. Again do not get over 150m attack or HP xp. 7) Vine Sweeper: No max points Get exactly 40 farming and then save up 199,962,776 points 8) Brimhaven Agility Tickets: No max At an average of 15xp per obstacle and an average of 5 obstacles per ticket Assuming you started at lvl 40 agility. You would need 468,000 @ 1k tickets, 300 @ 100 tickets, 25 @ 25 tickets, 10 @ 10 tickets. In total you need to collect 468,335 tickets 9) Slayer points: 64,011 max points Slay until you have 64k points, Do not go over 150m attack, or get any strength/defense xp. Use mage/range to slayer if needed. The Record Day: 1) Spend Soul Wars zeal: 462m xp Spend 20k points on Strength, Spend 20k points on Defense, Spend 5k points on Attack, and spend 5k points on HP 2) Spend Pest Control zeal: 280k xp Spend all 500 points on Attack. 3) Spend Penguin Points: 123,750 xp Spend on any non-cmb skill except farm, dungeon, or agility. 4) Spend Dungeoneering Tokens: 14,681,636 xp (12,067,637* xp) You will have 14,681,636 Tokens. You can either spend all on xp for the record (*)or spend 2,614,000 tokens to get all of the rewards then 12,067,637 on xp. 5) Spend Vine Sweeper points: 199,962,776 xp Spend them all on farming. 6) Spend Agility Tickets: 164,838,278 xp Spend the 468,335 tickets in the highest increments possible to get the most xp. Make sure to use Karamaja Gloves 4 for the bonus xp. 7) Effigies: 79,002,000 xp Use all 450 of the effigies. Don't investigate the farming or the agility options. Use all of the lamps on Dungeoneering. 8) Spend Slayer points: 1.6m xp Spend all 64k points, 400 at a time for 10k slayer xp each time. Assuming this takes you about 2 hours to open all of the effigies, spend all of the points/tokens/tickets, and you need at least an hour to use the bathroom/eat. That leaves 21 hours to spend the blue charms 9) Summoning: 49,341,600 xp Assuming 3k pouches an hour use all 63k blue charms, or as many as possible. So in total your record day would result in a staggering 921,488,441 xp O.o If one wanted to get 1b xp in a day they would have to do at least 80m construction with demonic thrones. However, if you were already doing 80m with demonic thrones you might as well get 200m with them in 15 hours and then spend the rest of the 6 hours doing geyser titans. I just did these calculations for the fun of it. I realize that no one will ever do this nor ever come close. It would take probably around 2 years of play time just to set up such a day.

Xensure will probably give us a link to we be able to download the Slayer Model. So, you can put your own tasks logged and people's tasks logged that you trust on. Yeah I should make my own topic in the Metagame discussion when I have some time. So people can give me any data they have and I can get a collaborative effort on the project. Esspecially when it comes to populating the data for the other slayer masters. Namely Duradel and sumona (sp?)

Oh okay, I was just referring to his second method back on page 145. I realize it might be outdated now. Those calculations were done with the best numbers I had at that date, but they were still wrong. Not that my most recent is flawless either. I am only working with 345 unblocked tasks logged. *warning stats lesson* In order to have have the proportions accurate to .02 error at 95% confidence I would need at least 2400 unblocked tasks logged. Currently there a 0.55 error margin in my model. The only way to reduce that is to get more unblocked tasks logged. So I hesitate when I post those optimal task lists because, while they are the task list that will maximize (skilling hours saved - hours slaying), they have such a large margin of error that could still change. I have made my model much more user friendly and made the appearance more appealing. There are still a few things I want to change. I want to add an option to use your effigies on whatever skill you want, and I want to make it so you can put in your own kills per hour for each NPC. This will make it as dynamic as possible so that when I get bored with this project. It can be a stand alone for anyone to just add new information to and it will work perfectly well. I have also added a way to add new unblocked tasks too the collective log. That way people can eventually collect the 2400+ unblocked tasks to give accurate probabilities of assignment.

He is also about to get 80m slayer in about 2k xp.

Suomi reach 150m strength, and will reach 80m slayer tomorrow.

Thanks for the update langer. A great read as always. A couple of the top15 have some quick xp saved up. I am pretty sure Telmo, Suomi, Elvis, Elias, Green, and Jdela all have a decent amount of charms saved up. Presumably they are waiting for another bonus xp weekend. But whenever they decide to use their charms all of these players have a decent amount of xp saved up. Elias hasn't used any effigies in at least 11m slayer xp so depending on his task list that is somewhere around 100 effigies he has saved up. So that is a quick 13.8m he has saved up Also lets face it drumgun is laughing in a corner somewhere with something saved up. Why? Well because he is drumgun, he always does. Most likely few dungeon tokens and some SW points.

What if you had 99HP you and you were wearing the torva plate and had max HP, so that you would have 1190LP. If you were to unequip it, you would drop imediately back down to 990LP, but what if you didn't take it off and just equipped a pernix body? This also gives +200LP so would you stay at 1190LP? or would you drop to 990LP and then the stat restore would take over and you would rise slowly back to 1190LP? This would be important to know if the sets ever become cheap enough to hybrid something with. Still curious about this.

It would be pretty impressive to be the first to maxing all combat and combat related skills. ie. attack, strength, defense, hp, range, mage, prayer, summoning, slayer, and dungeon. Tezz and Drumgun are the only two in the top 15 that are close to accomplishing this, but both are said to not have the cash for 200m prayer. While drum only has to pay for prayer, he still has slayer and dungeon to go through which will take some time. Tezz only has fast ones left, but bursting for 200m summon, making the pouches, finishing mage at ape atoll, chining at ape atoll, and prayer all cost a LOT. So it is anyone's guess who will do it first. It may be neither of them.

Tezz stopped fletching for a bit to get 1m mage xp. He has since gone back to fletching, but maybe he is thinking about going for the 78m summon xp he needs by barraging rock lobs.

Not really. over the past 24hours suomi logged out 18 hours ago after playing for a while, so I am guessing he went to sleep since that would be 3am or so in Finland and then 5 hours ago he woke up 12-13 hours later, like he just said. Then he started playing again. There is no reason why he couldn't have slept 8 hours and done 4 hours of exercise. And 4 hours of exercise is quite extensive. Also in other news Suomi hit 75m slayer. There are quite a few players in the top-15 that are all close together on the slayer highscores. Zarfot, elias, Sumoi, elvis, telmo, and kingduffy, are all within like 20 ranks of each other.

Yeah you wont see much xp gains for a few months. Just want to merch and be rich again because its fun :P I like having phats. I'll keep farming for xp but other then that I wont be doing any other skills for quite awhile. Just burned out. Make a another account and do 200m cons with demonic thrones =P I'd love to can I have 170 bil? What, I thought you were merching now? You can't make that in like a few hours? Noob.

Yeah you wont see much xp gains for a few months. Just want to merch and be rich again because its fun :P I like having phats. I'll keep farming for xp but other then that I wont be doing any other skills for quite awhile. Just burned out. Make a another account and do 200m cons with demonic thrones =P

The xp/h rates are certainly debatable, that is why we need people like you, Foot, Ari, Zarfot... etc. to find the fastest possible training methods. As for sweets, sure no one will probably ever use it, and if you take in to account the time to make money they probably aren't worth it, but since we assume money making at 0 time there is no reason why someone with more than enough money for 200m all skills couldn't do it. So we include it because it is the maximum possible rate. I would be nice if someone would go out and do like 3 minute test videos of barb fishing with cut/eat+sweets and splitting pines. to check.

The use of maximum possible rates is not to show what the players will actually do. The point of using maximum rates is to show the absolute shortest amount of time each player could get to 200m all skills. This is a much more accurate way to rank the top players on who is closest to 200m all skills versus XP rank. This can be shown simply by the 2.5b xp mark. We all know that this isn't really half way to 200m all skills. Usually it is less than half way, but it could be more than half way depending on what skills that 2.5b xp is in. This is where the time calc comes in to play. Yes the calc should include time to make the money for all of the buyables, but the problem with this is that there is no set money making method. Most would say merchanting is the fastest way to make money and this is true, but the amount of money any one player can make in a day is a function of how much money he has at the start of the day. Merchanting is rewarded on a % return basis and not a constant return like xp training. Since there is no way we can know how much gp each player has, there is really no way to calculate how much GP a player could earn in a day. Thus we can not assign hours to merchanting if we don't know how much gp you can make in a day. There is no absolute maximum money making rate. Unlike xp training where there is a theoretical maximum with tick perfect precision. Therefor we must assume that every player already has enough money for the buyables.

Well smithing comes up first, so it would inefficient to move your cursor down the extra pixels to click on mining. Precious milliseconds.

Wait is that the formula in C60? skilling hs - slayer hs? because if so I uploaded the wrong version. That is the old formula which is wrong. It should be this: =C49*1.61606234+IF((P35+R35)<(200000000-C37),((P35+R35)/154.4-(C43+C44))/3500,(((200000000-C37)/154.4-((200000000-C37-R35)/P34+C44))/3500))+(V33/900000)-C54 not that it is any cleaner looking, but it is correct. There are also several other changes, such as making it so you can now use effigies on slayer with out the model blowing up.

I stand corrected. But my point was really that I can only compare Telmo's list to mine with my model, which doesn't really produce anything conclusive. I am working under the assumption that my model is not perfect and could certainly be wrong. So if Telmo has numbers with his task list that differ from what my model predicts that would be great information for me. Hopefully he will read this convo and post :) If in fact you are reading this Telmo, here is what my model predicts you will get over the intervals of 1m slayer xp, 10m slayer xp, and 50m slayer xp. I don't imagine you log your tasks as that would slow you down, but if your general experience with slayer over those intervals differ greatly from what my model predicts I would like to know. Depending on how it differs that will let me know whether I just need more unblocked tasks logged or if I need fundamental changes. Thanks in advance. Also if any of the other "pro" slayers out there who read this topic want to give me their task list I can use my model to predict what their task list should produce and compare it to what you actually get, that would be extremely helpful. [spoiler=Numbers over 1m slayer xp]Total Slayer Xp Killed 1,000,000 Total Green Charms 650 Total Crimson Charms 1,334 Total Blue Charms 188 Hours to Run Charms 0.621 Total Summon Xp 828,166 Sum:Slayer Ratio 0.828165785 Total Effigies 9 Total Investigation xp 99,535 Total Lamp Xp 424,938 Slayer xp:Effigy Ratio 113025.83 Total Hours Slaying 21.20 Average Xp/hour 47,167.25 Avxp/h w/ Eff on Slay 67,210.42 E(Slayer points) 1.185425101 Slayer Hs - Skilling Hs (5.72) [spoiler=Numbers over 10m slayer xp]Total Slayer Xp Killed 10,000,000 Total Green Charms 6,502 Total Crimson Charms 13,341 Total Blue Charms 1,879 Hours to Run Charms 6.206 Total Summon Xp 8,281,658 Sum:Slayer Ratio 0.828165785 Total Effigies 88 Total Investigation xp 995,348 Total Lamp Xp 4,249,383 Slayer xp:Effigy Ratio 113025.83 Total Hours Slaying 212.01 Average Xp/hour 47,167.25 Avxp/h w/ Eff on Slay 67,210.42 E(Slayer points) 1.185425101 Slayer Hs - Skilling Hs (57.18) [spoiler=Numbers over 50m slayer xp]Total Slayer Xp Killed 50,000,000 Total Green Charms 32,512 Total Crimson Charms 66,703 Total Blue Charms 9,396 Hours to Run Charms 31.032 Total Summon Xp 41,408,289 Sum:Slayer Ratio 0.828165785 Total Effigies 442 Total Investigation xp 4,976,739 Total Lamp Xp 21,246,914 Slayer xp:Effigy Ratio 113025.83 Total Hours Slaying 1060.06 Average Xp/hour 47,167.25 Avxp/h w/ Eff on Slay 67,210.42 E(Slayer points) 1.185425101 Slayer Hs - Skilling Hs (285.89)