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Alright guys seriously drop this pointless argument. People aren't even arguing about the same thing anymore. People are talking about several different things. "Slowest," "Hardest," and "Most Boring." None of which are equivalent. The slowest skill in terms of xp/h in that skill by it's self is slayer at about 45k/h. Hardest implies that not every can do it well, thus implying skill needed. No skill in Runescape requires any abilities that everyone one earth doesn't doesn't posses. Nothing is hard about training any skill, they are all perfectly repetitive over time and only time consuming. Things that are "Hard" are things that not every one can do well such as PKing, and achieving far above average xp/h rates; things that take actual talent. "Most boring" is a subjective term that will differ between every person's experience of a particular task in game. Thus pointless to argue about. Enough.

Back on topic... Suomi did 1m slayer xp today. So that clearly means 185 days from now he will have maxed right? lol. He also seems to be keeping up with his farming runs. Dapledo has been thieving lately with a little fishing thrown in. Tezz is approaching 190m slayer and my guess is he will max out with in the next few days.

I just replied your pm a few moments ago.

Suomi is either the best crashers in RS or plays on world 180. Only logging out 3 times in 800k slayer xp O.o

Method 1: Using Lamps on RC Assuming you get an effigy on average every 100k slayer xp, 185m/100k = 1850 effigies from 15m-200m slayer 1850*90k = 166,500,000 xp from investigating 166500000/8 = 20,812,500 xp per effigy skill 1850*48029 = 88,853,650 xp from lamps (90k+48029)*1850 = 255,353,650 xp total from effigies Melee xp left after 200m slayer: 185m (Thus potential for more effigies, charms, and money) Method 2: Using Lamps on Slayer let x equal the total amount of slayer xp needed to be gained to get 200m from 15m with effigies: x+(x/100k)(48029)=185m x = 124,975,512 slayer xp Assuming an effigy ever 100k slayer xp 125m/100k = 1250 1250*90k = 112,500,000 xp from investigating 112500000/8 = 14,062,500 xp per effigy skill 48029*1250 = 60,036,250 xp from lamps (90k+48029)*1250 = 123,072,500 xp total from effigies Melee xp left after 200m slayer: 305m (Thus potential for more effigies, charms, and money) It would a list of the optimal slayer tasks in terms if least time to 200m all skills. So this would take in to multitude of variables: bone crusher xp, herbacide xp, slayer xp/h, effigy drop rate, charm drop rate, frequency of task, and anything else that would effect time saved. I know you have your lists for each of several different task lists based upon certain criteria in your effigy thread and I am pretty sure that true optimal task list would look almost exactly like max effigies/slayer xp just because the other variables would pail to the time saved by effigies. This idea got put on the back burner a while ago because we found out that it was technically "inefficient" to actually do any slayer since doing cave crawlers for all of melee was actually faster to 200m all skills. But since that is fairly quixotic we should try to figure out the best way to do slayer.

I have made a spread sheet a while back attempting to figure that out. I ignored the greens and golds because I was using the cave crawler method after 200m slayer so picking up golds and greens would be a waste of time since you will get plenty of greens, crims, and blues from cave crawlers that you wont have to use any golds. I get about 315k crimsons and 55k blues from 185m slayer xp. Doing this task list and cancelling everything else. **note** this was Zarfot's final task list, so that is why I used it. I have no proof that it is the optimal task list, but Thai is working on a formula that will find the optimal tasks to do. Ice strykewyrms Steel dragons Bloodvelds Dagannoth Black demons Dark beasts Waterfiends Aberrant spectres Mithril dragons Black dragons Iron dragons Skeletal wyverns Suqahs If you do TDs, or frost for the rest of melee after slayer you will get enough blues and crimsons that you won't need all of the greens you get from both slayer and the TDs/frost.

As a math nerd this just made me love you. I am not sure if I should be creeped out or appreciative, but thanks anyway. :D I am not so sure about Frosts over TDs because of the ashes update and the fact that suomi stills needs cash for the buyables after prayer. But I don't know enough about TDs to make a definite conclusion. However I could with some information. So... Could you use a yak to bank the ashes and other drops at TDs? Or do you have to use a steel titan to keep the kills/h from plummeting? What is the approximate kills/h with yak vs. titan? What is the approximate kills/h of frosts with a yak? What is the approximate drop rate of claws, and all of the dragon armor pieces? and visages from frosts? What is a conservative estimate for the "extra" drops from both frosts and TDs in gp/h? (ie. rune items, seeds, runes... etc.)

I don't really have any suggestions, just some information for you to make you own decisions about. 200m - 13,247,000 = 186,753,000 slayer xp to go 1.48029(x) = 186,753,000 x = 126,159,739 actual slayer xp to go if effigies are gotten every 100k xp and lamps are used on slayer. This means you will get about 1262 effigies (1262 * 90k)/8 = 14,197,500 per investigating skill. Since you have already chosen RC over summoning (good choice) you only have two other decisions to make, thieving or con, and herb or hunter. Thieving at 300k/h: 47.325 hours saved Cons at 750k/h: 18.93 hours saved and 10,1410 mahogany planks saved. At 2,274 gp each plank that is 230m saved. So do you value your time at more than: 230m/(47.325-18.93) = 8.1m per hour? or to put it another way is 28.4 hours saved worth 230m to you? Hunter at 245k/h: 57.95 hours saved Herb at 750k/h: 18.93 hours saved and 6453 fully made overloads, so... 6453*(778+1927+144+5299+3223+4504+5553+6802+264+(5*1732)+48200) = 538,354,000 saved (damn herb is expensive...) So do you value your time at more than: 538.4m/(57.95-18.93) = 13.8m per hour? or to put it another way is 39.02 hours saved worth 538.4m to you?

For anyone, Mainly Thai. Telmo has been power slaying for a week with out any extraneous xp gains. So now would be a great time to get a sample for bonecrusher xp per slayer xp, Herbacide xp per slayer xp, Summoning xp per slayer xp and agility xp per slayer xp. Prayer xp from bonecrusher per slayer xp: 469,219/4,123,565 = 0.1139 Herblore xp from herbacide per slayer xp: 41,756/4,123,565 = 0.0101 Summoning xp from familiars/scrolls per slayer xp: 15,613/4,123,565 = 0.0038 Agility xp from shortcuts per slayer xp: 1,069/4,123,565 = 0.0003

Elvis has reached 100m Herblore. Tezz's strength xp has passed his slayer xp today. Since Nov. 10th when he got 100m slayer he has steadily been average more and more slayer xp each day. From Nov. 10th until Dec. 25th he was averaging around 570k slayer xp per day. From Dec 25th to Jan. 31st he averaged about 650k per day. And since Jan. 31st he averaging about 700k per day. Also if he is getting effigies every 100k xp he should have around 140 saved up since he last dumped them. 200m-185.1m = 14.9m left to go. 14.9m - (48029*140) = 7.4m xp left after effigies. 1.48029(x)=7.4m x = 5m. Therefore somewhere between 190m and 191m Tezz should have enough effigies for 200m. Also it has been about 4 hours since suomi's highscores updated and he is only 500k from 99 con, so he should be getting it today or tomorrow.

Ok if you are doing barb fishing and you have say level 10,000 fishing (ie. you never miss a fish, ever.) You will get a fish every 5 ticks. Now if you eat something in between each fish you can increase that rate to a fish every 3 ticks. This is can be done by the cut and eat method. This is where you cut each fish so that you get caviar/roe, then you eat that, thus giving you the next fish in 3 ticks instead of 5. Occasionally when you cut the fish you won't get any caviar/roe when this happens you won't have anything to eat meaning that you will get the next fish in 5 ticks. This is where the purple sweeties come in. They are the only stackable and tradable food. You eat one of these when you don't get caviar/roe so that you can continuously get a fish every 3 ticks. Now we don't have level 10,000 fishing, we have 99 (at least for these calculations.) With 99 fishing you get a fish almost every 3 ticks, but sometimes you miss the opportunity to get a fish on that last tick. Because even at level 99 you still "fail" occasionally. (Just like falling during agility, or burning a fish while cooking) so then you have a wait another 5 ticks to get another fish, only 3 ticks if you eat sweetie. (Just like when you didn't get the caviar/roe; expect now you didn't get xp, but you still had to eat.) So this discussion is about trying to figure out about how many times you fail to get caviar/roe and how many times you fail to get a fish per hour. This will tell us how approximately how many purple sweeties we need to eat per hour thus giving us the cost of the optimal method to get 200m fishing. This will also tell us approximately how much xp per hour we will get thus giving us the time spent fishing to 200m. In other news suomi has gained 6m cons xp today, looks he will finally get max total relatively soon.

200m/720k = 277.8 hours to max using wines 200m/2.3m = 87 hours to max using wine/brawler/tele method so unless it takes you 190 hours to get two pairs of cooking brawlers it is worth it to kill revs for them. p.s. I was told it only takes 2 brawlers to get 200m xp if that is not the case then things could change.

I got that from the wiki. I just checked the KB and I was wrong. It says 80 str for all 3 pieces. My apologies for misleading. Knowledge Base Link

Back on topic and off a pointless philosophical argument. Dapledo broke 100m hunter today. He seems to be keeping up a pretty decent pace with hunter and fishing. I hope he switches to slayer soon so he doesn't end up wasting his effigy xp on the buyables. Unless he doesn't have a lot of cash saved up then he might need to investigate the buyables.

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He could only wear the Helm since the others require 80 str to wield. It is only +66LP and like +3 or 4 in each defense category with the same absorb as Statius. So by the time he gets 80 hp it won't matter much, but any advantage staking is something so there is not reason for him not to, but 80 hp is a long way away if he ever gets it. Though I would love to see him min/max this acct it would unbeatable. level 65 cmb with 90 defense and 85 hp with torva, statius, and a divine. HA!

suomi's poor??? do u know him then, like is he actually going for 200m all skills? I swear if he is he'll just make baare dollar slaying to 99 and merching! anyways hes my favorite for get 200m all skills first :thumbup: I don't know him, but I am sure he is not poor by any means. He just doesn't have the many billions needed for 200m con, herb, craft, prayer, fming, farming, and summoning using the fastest methods. I wonder if he will get 200m thieving and hunter actually training, since they are fairly fast skills anyway, and use the effigies from slayer on herb and con to save him self money. Also I wonder if he plans on using overloads during slayer since they would speed up getting 200m all skills, but he may not have enough money to make them all at once, so maybe make like 100 at a time.

Power slaying with a cannon and doing abby tasks only nets around +5 to +10 gp/xp. so getting 200m would only get him around 1.5b. He also won't have the use of overloads which will slow down slayer meaning he will need more Cballs than those who trained herblore first. If you get rid of Abby tasks his profit will go down to almost 0. He would have an advantage since he doesn't need to worry about charms he could design his task list around profit/xp. doing Bone crusher the whole way will save him around 10m prayer xp (quoting Aasiwat for that figure.) But he has already said that he doesn't want to so slayer. So he is pretty much left with merching, staking, or getting all of own frost bones; maybe nex if he got a good perm team, Torva is going for around 4b for the set on the forums. As for staking. I doubt drum has done much of it in the past and it is not all luck like people are saying. Most of the "Pro" stakers from 3 years ago and before had done thousands of stakes. They all have also been cleaned several times on their way to making billions. This gives them knowledge. After that many stakes they have an advantage. They know every trick there is. These are what you need to know to win max stat stakes (pures are a different story.) If He were to start now there would be a learning curve and he would get cleaned before he makes billions. But if you know what you are doing and you have a little luck, you can easily quadruple your bank in a day.

http://runetracker.org/track-skiller Just change "skiller" to whoever you want to see the weeks gains for. It would be kind of a waste of Langer's time to go through and post all of those numbers when they are already listed on runetracker is a graphical format, rather than just plain text. Also I think it would just be a lot of clutter to do it for all of the skills, but I think that total xp gained each week (ie. Skiller (+11.88m)) wouldn't be too much extra work for Langer. If he is willing to do that.

Awesome vid! Just like the first one. Also congrats on staking up to a purple. I am excited to see some of your pking and staking vids once you get a divine. Good luck on collecting the rest of the cash.

Not to speak for him, but maybe because he wants to? is that so inconceivable? It is a game, do whats fun, not what you "should."

No min/max limits. Thought they'd still keep the update by 5% or whatever each day, guess not It would make no sense to keep the 5% update limit with no price limits. They must take the average of the days aggregate successful sales to find the suggested price they display. The question is are these mid prices completely dynamic? or is the average of the day taken, then it is averaged with the past mid price to figure out a %change? EDIT: Nevermid what I said. This is taken directly from the KB. "All players will now be able to trade freely, able to give gifts, and decide what prices to pay for items in both player trades and via the Grand Exchange. Every tradable item will have an associated 'guide price', which is calculated from the previous day’s trading on the Grand Exchange, with a maximum movement of 5% (up or down). The guide price is just that – a guide. Feel free to offer or demand whatever prices you like." That is kind of annoying that the price aren't 100% dymanic. If they were the market would settle a lot quicker, but with these rigidities the guide price will be off from the true price for longer meaning the ups and downs will continue for a while.

Just a theory, but I would guess that we are going to a series of dampening oscillation of the prices of the rares and most of the merchantable items. Instead of a bubble and bust, prices will have a rubber band effect going above and below the "true" market price. It will most likely be the merchanters that bring price to equilibrium the quickest because they will keep closing the margins of flipping. Not sure how long this effect will go on, but eventually prices should settle. However in the mean time there is money to be made at each of the peaks.

Summon = 2.5m/h (Geyser titans) Prayer = 850k/h (Frost Bones) Herb = 750k/h (this is averaged over the course of making the extremes then overloads, just making the overloads is faster.) Con = 750k/h (Mahogany Tables) It goes down a lot from here... If you want fast xp you have to spend the money. I am discounting demonic thrones and talon beasts just because of how ridiculously impractical they are. Demonic Thrones can be more than 12m/h meaning you could get 187m xp in around 15 hours, but this would cost you 175 Billion GP, good luck getting that. Talon Beast are slightly more reasonable since it isn't costs that gets you, but getting all of the Talon Beast charms would be a pain, but they could be upwards of 3.3m/h. All of these rates are with out brawlers or SC tools. So those would certainly increase xp/h.

Hahaha, loved the kid at 5:11 who hit a 0 on you then proceeded to only attack your titan. He just gave you 4m. Awesome stuff. I am sure the haters will come, but that only makes it more entertaining. Great build keep at it. P.S. I posted a question in your blog thread when ever you get around to it.