Noxx

Reached 16m Fishing Exp today :D Also managed to get the last piece of the Fish Flingers Fishing outfit. Now it's on to some Woodcutting, and then Mining.

The best scaper there ever was? haha funny man. He can't even make his own money, so getting 5b from donations doesn't make him the best scaper ever. Someone's butthurt. Go away now pls.

I'm hoping SUOMI get's an NPC named when he gets 200m all Skills, a Statue in the center of every major city, and a special cape to show that he's the best scaper there ever was.

One of the best games of Fish Flingers i've had :P

You're making it sound like any marriage in today's day and age will end up in divorce. Not sure if that's what you are in fact saying, but that's the way you're making it sound.

Spent the majority of the day playing Fish Flingers. Used up all the tickets i had and i'm now only 160 tokens away from getting the full set. Kind of sucks because it's going to take me a while to get the last 160 tokens.

I can't really argue with anything you're saying because most of it is true. Social norms have changed a lot the past 100 or so years. I mean if i look at my grandmother, the way she is in terms of relationships (her thoughts/feelings towards it) i can clearly see how she feels about me or any of my cousins being with girls. Premarital sex is a big issue for her. heck, even just having a girl alone in my room would be a big issue. Perhaps in the past it was harder to get out of a relationship, as you said, which is why so many people chose to work on their problems rather than abandon ship. And this is the way many of us were brought up, which is why so many of us think this way. I have been an athlete all my life. And if i wasn't good at something i would really work at it the be as good at it as i knew i could be. Training was not always fun. i remember days when i had tennis practice where my coach would drive me so hard that i would be sick for hours after practice, unable to walk for days. I hated every second of it but i knew that if i managed to get through it, i'd be a better athlete than i could have ever dreamed of. That's how i see my relationships. I know i'll have fights with whomever i have a relationship with. i know that we'll not always agree on anything, i know that there's a chance we might eventually get bored of each other. That's why i will always work my hardest to resolve any issues, agree to disagree, try to find common ground, try do something out of the ordinary to show i care about being with her. Of course though, i am only human, and i only have so much fight in me. If after everything all is still doomed, i will give up hope. Some things are just not meant to be. And i need to accept that.

The term " healthy, exciting relationship" and "way too many variables working against you" kind of contradict each other in my opinion. First off, health and exciting are very relative terms, the way i think about them. Some people think it's unhealthy to argue, other's think an argument now and then is needed. Two people that get along too well, and agree on everything will make things very boring in my opinion, but for other's that might be exactly what they want. I say that's unhealthy, they would argue that it's not. I say that's boring and totally unexciting, they might say it's the opposite. In terms of "way too many variables working against you". For me that's what makes most monogamous relationships so exciting. The fact that sometimes you need to put some work and effort into it. The fact that you might have to break everyday routine.I know this can easily be the same for a polygamous relationship too, i'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying that you can't really make a statement like that when there are millions (even billions) of people that have had the same partner from a very young age till they day they die. My parents for example. They met when they were in their mid 20's which is really the start of your adult life (especially in those days, and in that culture). They got married and this year will be their 27th anniversary. I can say that they are as inlove now as they were the day they met, if not more. I'm pretty sure they still have a very active sexual life (i really don't want to think about that at all) knowing the kind of people they are. They are complete opposites as well. My mom's still very young at heart and likes doing fun stuff, my dad pretty much just want's to sit on the couch with a beer in the hand and a rugby game on the tv. But having said that, they still have a very, very exciting life traveling all over the place, doing things they've never done before, going places they've never been. Neither of them have ever cheated (not saying the thought hasn't crossed their minds, i would not know). Point i'm trying to make is that there have been enough relationships that last to disprove: "And I don't think it's very realistic to try and maintain a healthy, exciting relationship with the same person for the rest of your life. There's way too many variables working against you to make that happen-- many of them beyond your control. " I saw a picture posted on Facebook not long ago of an old couple sitting on a bench looking very much inlove with a caption saying something like: x: How have you managed to be together this long? y: We grew up in a time where, when something was broken you fix it, you don't just throw it away and buy a new one. I think that's the problem many of us have today. We live in the "Y - Generation". Y get an education? Y get a job? Y make something of my life? Etc. We're too quick to give up on something.

Methods are more or less explained on the first page. I'm not 100% sure if i will actually be able to make 100m by the time i reach 20m in Fish, Wc and Mining and 20m Farming, but i'll probably not be too far off.

Because i am weak i quit quitting. It's like smoking. I quit smoking every day. But i have set myself some new goals, and i am having fun so far. I currently have 1m cashpile along with some other small things which probably puts my total bank at no more than 20m. I am staying away from PvM for as long as i can and sticking purely to skilling :D I want to make 100m via skilling now, using methods that some might say are stupid, but i think are fun.

I fantasize about driving a Ferrari. It does not mean i am unhappy about driving my Mustang though. When me and this girl were together, and we started kissing and getting a bit intimate, i often did feel like i had to take a step back, take a deep breath and then continue. I guess i did fantasize about having sex with her and probably more than just once or twice. But that did not mean i was unhappy about anything. EDIT: Jesus, i go to the toilet before submitting my post and come back to find a whole new page of replies :shock: EDIT 2: Which for some odd reason reminded me of the following. So last night at around 7pm she sent me a text. Told me that she misses talking to me the whole day. I told her that i was sorry for not texting her, but i thought it would probably be a bit better if i hadn't (for obvious reasons). We started conversing and i told her that it might not be the smartest thing of me to say, but i kinda miss talking to her/seeing her as well. She then replied by saying that she wants things to go back to how they were (ie. getting naked then having no sex). I told her that it can only happen under 2 conditions. 1.) If the clothes come off... then something needs to happen. She can't lead me on, get my blood pumping, then expect me to just take the keys out of the ignition. It's not fair on me, and it makes it very hard for me to remain respectable. 2.) If it is to go back to how it was, then i do not want to have the same discussion (i like you, but i don't know if that's enough) with her again in two weeks time. I think the fact that she "came back" so fast might be a good sign. I think she has genuine feelings for me, and really likes my company. I first thought that it was purely because she might have been bored for the day and decided to talk to me, but i know that she has a plate full of other options to occupy her mind. I guess i have a second chance with her now, and i'm going to go at things a bit more aggressive this time (in terms of taking a leap and not playing it safe). Also, i did tell her "i need a while to think this through". Although i'll probably say yes, i did not want to seem over eager about doing so.

It's true. Actually, two years ago i think, i had a relationship with a very devoted Christian girl. She was a virgin and planned on keeping it that way until she got married. It was one of the happiest relationships i remember being in. But it all depends upon personality. Some people (like me) are able to have a happy relationship without having sex. Other people can't. When i had a conversation with a friend of mine not too long ago he asked me how do i value sex in a relationship. I told him on a percentage basis i think probably about 30%. I put more focus on being able to laugh with a girl, being able to have a decent conversation with her, etc. He said that he would put sex at probably 70% if not more. If a girl is not willing to be very sexually active, then he probably wouldn't be interested.

I haven't spoken to her all day now. It's kind of hard not texting or calling her. It's stupid i know. But she became a part of a routine i had. I've had to do a lot today to kind of take my mind off my phone. Not to check it or pick it up. I really don't want to talk to her until she talks to me first, no matter how long it takes.

Then tell her no. I know my words have little weight here on this thread, but if you want to be in control of this shit, then step up and do what you want. But possible sex... I know i should be saying no, and my friends will be pushing me to say the same.

Well this is weird now. I really am a bit confused. So earlier today i posted pretty much what happened. Her telling me she likes me but she doesn't think that's enough. I sent her a final text and thought that would be it, for a while at least. This was about 4 hours ago. Just now she sent me a text asking me why so quiet. I told her that i assumed we should stop talking now? She told me that we did not have to stop talking all together, we just had to keep it a bit less serious than it is now. Okay, so now i'll be come the text buddy. Then she continued to say that we could possibly hang out on Tuesday evening and see how it goes. What.... I've got a day or two to think about whether or not i really want to see her on Tuesday.

Well i never really got time to talk to her last night. I got a bit drunk and didn't think it would be a wise idea to do it then. I woke up this morning and found 3 texts on my phone. All three of them were from her. First one saying "Hey", second one saying "What are you upto?" (both of these were at about 01:30 am and then another one saying "Sorry for texting you last night. I was a bit drunk and stupid". I replied and we started talking a bit. Conversation took the obvious swing to what was going on between the two of us and she basically told me that she likes me, but she doesn't know if that's enough and it's not fair to me. She would not have been this hesitant if she was absolutely sure about us. Not really sure what happens now. Not sure if i should try and reassure her or just let it be. I like her like crazy, and i want to keep on seeing her. But i dont want it to feel forced.

The thing you're not understanding is that when we were in the same situation the times before and i would try something, she would always tell me no, or stop, or wait i'm not ready. So clearly she didn't want it then, how was i supposed to know she wanted it this time?

"We're not having sex tonight" --translation: "I really want to have sex tonight. But I want you to take all of the responsibility for it so I won't be seen as trampy" That is EXACTLY what i felt/was thinking. And it's BS in my opinion. She already knows what kind of a guy i am. I ALWAYS try to be as respectable as i can when i'm around her. And i especially think it was a bit slefish of her. All she basically did was lay there. She didn't show me much emotion (as in that she was getting turned on or not) and she didn't say much either. This is one of the big reasons i didn't do anything. I did not feel like she wanted it (even though i didn't feel like she didn't want it either). It was just a really messed up situation and one i do not wish to put myself in again. We talked on the phone about this earlier and she told me that after what happened last night she needs time to think about things. Last night showed her how different we are, etc. I told her pretty much what i have told you guys (in terms of her giving me mixed signals, in terms of her not giving me the yes or no to go ahead or not, in terms of me being oblivious to certain things). She told me that she understood what i was saying and that she even agreed with it and she shouldnt have expected me to read her mind and that she probably could have done some things different herself. Now i just woke up from a nap about an hour or so ago and i've been thinking about things since i woke up and a part of me is telling me to let her go. Yhings might not change for the better any time soon. Things most likely will stay as complicated as they are now and we'll be having the same conversation every weekend. But on the other hand there's a very good chance that after what happened last night things might actually get better because now i have a better idea of how she thinks/acts. I really just feel like i want to run away from all of this right now (although i don't think i can take my emotions to heart at the moment considering i am not in the best of moods right now). So i think i'm going to give it a few days, see what happens tonight (i plan on asking her to come over later, and if she does it's party time) and then take it from there. EDIT: I just realised that i have not felt this way in a very long time. Feeling this angry and frustrated over a girl. I do not like it. I actually tried being a respectable guy, tried always doing the right thing every time. I never tried taking advantage of her. I don't think i can be bothered to do that for a girl who's going to play games with me. I deserve better. At the end of the night i'm going to tell her to gtfo. I don't need this shit in my life right now, not with all the other things i have on my plate.

The thing is, like i said, we have been in that situation before. We would basically both be stripped down and "ready to go" but i would get stopped before anything could happen. I remember one time specifically. We were at her house, in her bed, wearing nothing when all of a sudden she told me "i'm not going t have sex with you tonight" and i was rather confused. I remember thinking "couldn't you have told me that before i stripped naked and allowed all the blood to rush to a certain part of my body". Then last night i thought the same thing would happen. I thought so even more than any other time because she told me earlier that day that she was not ready for a sexual relationship. She was giving me mixed signals, and doing that to someone as oblivious as i am, is a terrible idea. It's not exactly what i would call fair. I even told her many times before that i am an oblivious person. I thought to myself though, earlier, that if i were to get in the same position again that i would just go for it. I would grow a pair and just got for it and wait till she stops me. But the sad part is, that after what happened tonight i feel like things are going to change a slight bit.

I posted that because i wasn't bothered to get into it just yet. But i would have anyway. I just needed to think about exactly how to say it first. So here goes. Last night me and my mates went out. Same as every other Friday night. Same place, same people, same shit. Sent Claire a text asking her if she's out. She said no, asked if i was. I told her i was. She told me to let her know when i get home, she might stop by for a bit. Fast forward a few hours. I'm home and a few minutes later she's at my place. We go to my room and we're on my bed, and we're talking. Things started getting a bit intimate. She doesn't stop me this time. It was weird because a few hours before that she told me that she didn't think she was ready for a sexual relationship with me. Okay, so now i'm a bit confused. And i think for good reason too. Now before i go further, one thing you guys need to understand is that we've been in this situation 2 or 3 times before. The situation where both of us would be wearing very little, or even nothing, but yet nothing would really happen. Okay so we were in this position again. And now i'm terrified, and she could feel it. My heart was racing. So for what seemed like a lifetime i just lay there not knowing if i should go further or not, and she's not giving me any sort of indication that i should or shouldn't. At that moment i was actually so nervous i started feeling a bit sick. I know what i wanted to do, i just didn't know if i should. I didn't want to "push my luck" after what she said that afternoon. After a few minutes of us laying there, wearing pretty much nothing, just kind of staring and having really awkward conversation she said that she should probably go. I asked her why and her reply was "well this isn't exactly going well, is it?" I told her that she really confuses me a bit, because one moment she says one thing then the next moment she shows up at my house ready to have sex but she doesn't tell me what her intentions are and i'm trying to be as respectable as possible and not do anything she didn't want to (and how was i supposed to know what her intentions were if she didn't give me at least some sort of a hint? Especially if we've been in a situation like that before and the outcome was not what one would expect.) She told me that it probably wasn't fair of her to expect me to read her mind. Few minutes later she left, and there was a pretty awkward vibe between the two of us. I'm really confused about what really happened. I know i misread the situation, i realized it last night (but a bit too late obviously).

I don't even know if i should get into what happened last night. It was just....ridiculous....

Well.... Claire came over last night. She spent the night. Nothing happened, and i knew nothing would. A few days ago she told me she likes me, but she doesn't know if she's ready to start a sexual relationship with me. I found it odd because she also told me not long ago that she was a very sexual person. She told me though, that the reason for her saying she'd not ready is because she's a long term girl, and she doesn't know how long she's still going to be here. She has a lot on her mind and she needs to think about things. She also told me that she doesn't feel ready to commit, as well as she thinks committing to me might be a big mistake. I understand where she is coming from. i tried thinking about it from her perspective and it made a lot of sense to me. I'm the same when it comes to relationships. I tried telling her though, that everything will be fine and we should worry about the future when the time comes. It didn;'t really work. She told me "maybe it's better if we stop seeing each other". I told her no, she needs to stop freaking out. She went on to tell me a few other things and i replied "I know what i have to say, and i know what i have to do, but i feel like im too selfish to do it". I know i have to tell her that we need to stop seeing each other. Its probably for the best, for both of us. I can handle it a lot better than i think she can (saying goodbye) because ive had to done it so many times before. I just dont want her to get hurt. She told me she needs time to think, and i told her (like an idiot) that at the end of the day its not about me, its about her. it all comes down to how she feels. If she wants to continue this then we continue, if she wants to call it quits, we call it quits. i told her that even if i dont like her choice, i'm still going to try my best to respect it no matter what. I know it won't be easy to accept bad news, but i guess ill have to try my best to accept it if it happens.

I agree with that. When i was younger i used to throw the word around a lot. But i realized that what i felt was more often than not infatuation instead of love. I believe that if you love someone, you should not have to tell them at all, because they should be able to see it in the things you do.

Your first piece of advice was to jump ship for another girl. Or, I suppose, to get with another girl, maybe without jumping ship. Whichever. In y case i can kind of see where Muggi is coming from. With me, much like many other guys, i freak out so much when there's just one girl in the picture. I fixate and i over analyze everything she does/says/doesn't do/doesn't say. When there's more than one girl in the picture i seem to care so much less about what either one of them does because i know i'll have something to fall back on when the shit hits the fan.