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idk if there are really fairy tales when it comes to the royals. Kate maybe an exception, but we will see.... What do you mean? She gets a title regardless if she is already royalty or not. No I meant the ugly relationship aspect -like what happened with Diana. ie. will it last?

idk if there are really fairy tales when it comes to the royals. Kate maybe an exception, but we will see....

The wedding of Prince William of Wales and Catherine ("Kate") Middleton is scheduled to take place at Westminster Abbey on 29 April 2011. William, who is second in the line of succession to Queen Elizabeth II, first met Middleton in 2001, while he and Middleton were studying at the University of St Andrews. Their engagement, on 20 October 2010, was announced on 16 November 2010. Although I have absolutely no affiliation with the British Empire whatsoever, I will staying up to watch the ceremony live just for the lolz. Playing RS (a very British game) must have gotten to me.. TV Times for your convenience - Friday Apr 25 TV coverage starts 1 hour prior to ceremony time (+1 hour for actual ceremony) BST 10:00 am EST 4:00am CST 3:00am PST 2:00am W. Europe 11:00am India 2:30pm W. Australia/China 4:00pm New Zealand 9:00pm So...will you be watching? Feel free to discuss the wedding and the royals in general too.

You're fine. Maybe 3-4 years ago you might want to ask Jagex - but these days...people are getting away with so much more than using their xb controller to alch. (I hope that's not a clever story you came up with up though :unsure: )

Wow. I feel sorry for you. The drop rate has probably been nerfed since release - but it is certainly still in the 150-250 range.

So to give the people in charge of bot banning some credit (I say this in lieu of Jagex because of how much I trust Jagex...), there have been more PERM banning reports, even for people who were given the "macro minor" temp ban before, however seemingly only on people who bot a ton of accounts from the same IP. These are given "macroing goldfarmer" perm bans despite the "macro minor" only carrying a 14 day ban. SOME credit I said. But COME ON - people who bot 20 accounts from 1 IP address DESERVE an IP BAN. And they're not really gonna stop when some of their mules gets the perm. (I have dug through more past material and Jagex definitely gave out IP bans until at least 2006.) And from what I can deduct - there's currently these tiers of macro punishment - rollbacks - given to mostly 1st time offenders - no visible record/affect account status - macro minor - 14 day ban -> 21 day ban - can be given multiple times, MAY be accompannied by stat and bank resets - most botters get this. Expires in 1 year -macoring goldfarmer - perm ban - manual perm ban - if you get caught by a Jmod in action - and macroing major - here's the thing, I can't actually find anyone recently who's actually been given this perm ban carrying offense lately... And seriously - people who bot 24/7 for months still can only get the macroing minor - how [cabbage] hard do you actually have to try to cheat to be counted as "major"? I seriously don't get this whole new tolerance of bots - by Jagex, and now slowly but surely, the community. I'm just extremely sick of people who type out "cheating is okay." It's not in real life, and should not be any different in RS.

You know what, I'm extremely sick of this argument. :angry: I'm played since that era - yes there was some bots, or as we called it back then - autoers - but did you know how HARD it was to actually find one in game? Everyone talked. Jagex made constant threats that really kept mostly everything in line. And I remember yahooling (yes, this was before google got big) autoers and finding absolutely NOTHING like the organized community of cheaters we have now. And the sad thing is, they're all much larger than TIF or RSOF. (TIF/scapeboard was the largest rs community for the longest time) I'll say this again, botting/cheating has NEVER been this bad - 30-50% of the online population are bots, probably just the same percentage of the playerbase who cheats. I dare you to go out there and find a single MMO that has this kind of rampant, uncontrolled cheating. And back to the topic, YES, it shows a lot of bots - but that was not really my intention at all - I was just trying to find something funny with RS related search terms. As someone very un-nicely put it, a RS failblog auto-complete knockoff. I will be posting new graphs/charts/searches/trends on rs and rs cheating traffic versus other things - but this thread is not it.

Honestly... What was Jagex thinking?... Anyways, great vid - must've taken you ages to make. I hope someone from Jagex sees it. Submit this video next time jagex holds a video contest - that's 1 sure way to get someone to see it, and if it actually get through to voting you got my vote :D

and the best for last, A note on google suggestions - these are purely on popularity of search - the higher means more searched. In contrast sadface.

At this point, I think Jagex defnitely have the capacity to detect bots but are deliberately not doing anything with them. When they did the rollbacks, there was literally panic all over the botting forums and RSOF and the numbers were HUGE compared to how many are banned now. They detect 23,000 bots this month - that's not great considering there are pereneially 40,000-60,000 bots online but that's a good number anyways. But here's the thing, they DETECT them but then do next to nothing about them. And then lie to our faces about how much they're doing. Pretty despicable corporate tactics that I would not expect from Jagex. Nice pic, Bangin_Blonde.

A few points: $5 per month may not seem a lot, but maybe you should browse around for some used console games and steam, these days $5 in the gaming industry should buy your A LOT of hours of entertainment. And for us long time subscribers - Jagex made $300+ off myself already, $300 would make me any gaming company happy - if you buy ALL the Call of Duty Games new - it won't even come to that much. OFC Jagex is a business, but there IS a distinction between good, moral conscious businesses and terrible companies out there to make a killing. Everyone hates big pharma companies for charging so much for your prescription - but did you know that some companies donate their products in terms of free malaria pills to Sub-Saharan Africa? Would you rather have a company that makes a ton of profit but causes giant oil spills or a less profitable company who is environmentally sustainable. And at some point during this whole profit debate, do remember that bots shorten the lifetime of the game, introduces tons and tons of gp so that gp continues to become worthless vs rare items and sought after commodities, and eventually KILLS the game.

Actually when I found the news I was just gonna lament some more about how investment bankers are taking over Jagex and turning RS into a profit machine... The movie thing was a secondary WTF discovery. I'm trying to dig up more info now. As far as I know from earlier news I dug up, Gowers all together don't have a majority share anymore, but it's hard to source it because nothing directly states that. We need a leak/source from an actual Jagex investor who has these accounting information. So...anyone with tons of $ and want to put their money in one of these companies and find out some info for us...

Eh, I just don't trust investment bankers at all - I'd rather trust an IRS agent with my life savings tbh/

An investment bank founded from the good people from Goldman Sachs - aka. one the great investment firms that led to the financial crisis... And...a movie?...Yeah these people sure have invested their money in the right place... Big media names back boutique bank Raine By Matthew Garrahan in Los Angeles Published: April 10 2011 23:03 | Last updated: April 11 2011 01:31 Eric Schmidt, Sean Parker and other pick names from the media and technology sectors have invested in a merchant banks fund started by two former Wall Street dealmakers and Ari Emanuel, head of the William Morris Endeavor talent agency. Mr Schmidt, the former chief executive of Google, and Mr Parker, the former president of Facebook, are among the backers of Raine, according to people familiar with the situation, while Peter Chernin, the former chief operating officer at News Corp, is on the banks advisory board. Raine, which has offices in Los Angeles, New York and Beijing, is led by Joe Ravitch, the media banker and former Goldman Sachs partner, and Jeff Sine, the former head of the UBS technology, media and telecoms division. It is on course to raise $500m to finance acquisitions in media, sports and entertainment, with investors including Terry Semel, former chief executive of Yahoo, Jay and Miky Lee, from the family that started Samsung, and Masayoshi Son, founder of Softbank, the Japanese media group. WPP, the marketing group, and Mubadala Development, the Abu Dhabi-owned investment vehicle, are backers, according to people close to the situation. The boutique bank is close to completing its third investment, having agreed to acquire a stake in OpenSky, an online social shopping service. It has bought a stake in Vice, the style magazine, and invested in Jagex, a Cambridge-based online games developer and publisher. Raine declined to comment, as did WME. But the two companies are close partners: Mr Emanuel, brother of Rahm Emanuel, the new mayor of Chicago, and Patrick Whitesell, a fellow partner at WME, sit on Raines advisory board. WME, which represents stars such as Martin Scorsese and Christian Bale, is working with Raine on how best to exploit deals. One option being explored with Jagex is to turn RuneScape, the companys popular multiplayer online game, into a movie developed by Hasbro Studios, the film development arm of Hasbro, the toy company. Hasbro, which developed the blockbuster Transformers series of films, is a WME client. Raine is scouring Asia for possible acquisitions, according to another person familiar with the situation. Theyre focused on high-growth areas in growth regions, the person added. Some WME clients are also backing Raine, including Frank and Lorenzo Fertitta, who control the lucrative sport of Ultimate Fighting Championship.Other Raine investors include Richard Rosenblatt, the founder of Demand Media, who sold MySpace to News Corp, and Marc Andreessen, the Facebook board member and co-founder of Netscape Communications. Ray Chambers, the former private equity investor, and Ted Forstmann, the owner of IMG, the sports marketing group, are also involved and sit on Raines advisory board. Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2011. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/943fcde2-63a9-11e0-bd7f-00144feab49a.html#axzz1K0HueM3I add: about hasbro studios Hasbro Studios is the Los Angeles-based production division of Hasbro, Inc.. The virtual studio develops and produces shows based on Hasbros world class brands, including TRANSFORMERS, MY LITTLE PONY and GI JOE; delivers new branded content; and produces programs from top third-party content creators. http://www.hasbro.com/corporate/hasbro-studios/

again it shows how easy it is for Jagex to spawn some very simple measures to catch armies of bots - yet they pretty much refuse to do so. And even when they're caught by legit players and reported - who knows if and when their "macro detection program" will actually flag the bot - and if it actually does, the bot just gets a flimsy temp ban. My membership is already expired and I won't be renewing it again. They profit enough off the bots anyways.

There does seem to be an increase of reports of bans. HOWEVER, they're pretty much all 14 day temp bans with no other consequence - if you're gonna temp ban them, why not temp ban AND rollback them Jagex? Otherwise you know that bot will be back at it again when it's unbanned. Also, the temp ban for "macro minor" AND rollback don't even affect the "greenness" of you offence column. In fact, rollbacked accounts don't even have an offence recorded - wtf is with that? And what is the difference between macro major (only way for perm bans to be handed out it seems) and macro minor? These cheaters are already botting 24/7, solving randoms, auto talker when traded etc.... and that's STILL not major enough for you Jagex?

Most MMO's that sell items for IRL gold have a HUGE number of items and item sets compared to RS - most of them are unique and collectible, so that it's nearly impossible to get the best in everything. This is not RS at all - you have very finite sets of armour with nothing else in game that come even close to Torva. If you sell Torva- then it will highly favor those who have IRL $. In another game where this is possible, you can buy unique set A for irl money - it might look pretty and have +2 agility, but you can just easily get set B in game with the same stats. Most IRL money items sold are purely cosmetic, not usable in PvP, and/or just provide some convenience - ie. teleport scrolls. That and Jagex's long standing policy to favor fair gameplay and make $ not matter so much ...well at least Jagex 3 years ago, idk about now.

Well, from Jagex's mouth alone - in the past month, they've managed to "gather", whatever that means, 16,453 bots names. Given Jagex's infamously bad catch rate, esp. on more sophisticated bots, you can guess how many bots are out there - 120K total is not overestimating it at all, in fact, it lowballs it. Of their 16K bot catches, I wonder how many alone just came from Aubury, a place where we have long complained and it would appear it take something very simple to at least slow the bot army. But why aren't they doing sometihng to sorc garden or mining guild? Change the code for the door/ladder and you can catch just about that many. If only ess bots were the only bots in RS! - when're they gonna start doing something and cleaning it all up? It's their negligence and cover-up of the problem that made the infestation SO BAD - to everything you possibly do on RS.

Before venturing out of RS and into other MMO's, I would have said that $10-$15 might sound reasonable. But after qutting RS and trying quite a few random MMO's and seeing their cost vs what they offer as gameplay and world, I'd say RS is very not worth that in terms of content, especially after you've done all the quests and diaries and have grinded enough 99's to make your teeth fall out. There is just so much more gameplay other than grinding that other games offer, beyond the other reasons of like tiny world map, the hoardes of bots, the pretty meh graphics - mind you, I'm playing on low-end laptop, and it can still run MMO with much more impressive graphics. In all, I've just became very much jaded with RS - I chose the game a long time ago and spent so long on it, and yet it feels like my time and money could've went better elsewhere. $5,95 is as much as the game's worth. If you play RS for 3 months, you can easily buy a used pc/console game for less than that with much more original content - other than grinding. If you want to see what I mean - try LOTRO, FFXI or WOW, and for casual gamers - free realms. They're all very diffferent experiences from RS, and for the most part - better.

they should really say something about the outage on the front page - the rs facebook page is not a replacement..... Imagine a new player actually wondering into rs at this time of day and finding what they see in my sig with no explanations offered.

2 people currently online - LOL how did this happen? 2 ppl randomly left online

Yes, it does - and I think totally mentioned that. Measuring runescape.com vs battle.net is very much not fair to WOW because of the huge amounts of rs players who go through the webpage just to load the client and things such as the GE database, adv logs, and hiscores that wow doesn't have. I think I need to add more captions next time I do graphs - the biggest things are (if people actually read this far) 1. how visible the botting is to the community - ie. how many times people complain in the official forums 2. how according to google, there is only 1/4 of the search volume for "wow bots" vs "runescape bots" - and this I didn't do is that even the term "rs bots" out do "wow bots" by like 3 to 1. Add them together - you got so much more search volume. I don't like to write a lot defending google trends -it all gets very pointless - but any long time players can see that it is indeed very accurate in this trend - look at that nice bottoming out after 2007 and wild/ft removal and the humongous peak when they returned it.

Well, I certainly had no intention my random little rant to get so much attention that it gets a board announcement, but I'm certainly very impressed by you guys actually putting together this whole 'evaluate the moderation' thing. This is the difference right here between TIF and what's left of RSOF - you guys actually care :D And that makes me just bit happy inside that such a community still exists for RS. My point when I made the thread, is that you guys clearly care a lot about the community and its rules, but sometimes you can care a bit too much. If you are anything like a forum surfer like me, you know that most readers will scan the titles, skim whatever threads sound interesting, and tend to skip giant blocks of text or pages of pages of quoted text blocks back and forth. What I find many times is I read the first few posts of a thread and find it interesting just to find the locked button where the reply button is. I'm sure there is some reason for you guys to have locked the thread - but do realize that skimmers/lurkers like me aren't gonna read the 5 pages of text of whatever violated the rule anyways or participate in it - I think in such a case it'd be better for the moderator to just put in a warning, delete whatever offensive posts you guys deem, and let the thread live. Locking is a rather harsh thing, what I consider to be same to censoring a free discussion. Anyways, chillax guys - I'll totally admit I didn't read the last 3 pages at all - and hence sort of my point, that I'm not involved in most whatever happened before me or after me - the thread creator, a random replyer, or any potential readers for when the thread stays afloat shouldn't be punished for something they didn't write or even want to read.

RS port is highly unlikely - how would you play RS with a controller? It's a mouse-based game, not a menu-based game. One of your predictions is already true - bots today are mostly indistinguishable from real humans. Not to mention the free bots/auto clickers, the premium bots actually hack the game client at a pretty high level - hence why things like dung bots have became possible. Most randoms are solved by bots this way because they don't need to rely on the pixels at all. Auto talkers and just people who sit by the screeen while they bot have also made talking even a bad indicator of a "real" player. These days nothing short of constant CAPTCHAS and/or a seperate anti-botting client will detect bots 100%. That being said, I'll make my DOOM~~ prediction one more time. RS isn't gonna survive to 2030 - definitely not in its current state.

Sure, people flame on forums and things get out of hand a bit. But that is just how the internet is. Sure, people open new threads instead of digging through pages of pages or searching for an age old thread. etc... When moderaring gets to the point where good threads gets locked and sent to oblivion because of flamers or everything gets merged into giant 50 page threads that nobody reads or that even people are scared to make new topics I think it's just a bit overdoing the moderating. RSOF is already managed by a bunch of Nazis, I hope TIF stays as free as ever. Mods, please be a bit more lax before sentencing threads to death. /randomrant