The new (old) wilderness is supposed to be dangerous, why remove some of that danger by not allowing people use of what they have worked to use. If you cant use ext/ovl then why dont u train herb? its called DIY if your poor. I dont have any chaotic but you dont hear me crying over people ripping me up with rapiers, its because i understand that im not willing to put in time for rewards. If the case is you have ovls and still dont want them in the wild, go duel. If you want a restricted fight, we have a place for those. Id like a place where i can bring out the best of the best (in my possesion) P.S. the whole "but i cant tell if hes using ext/ovl because of his combat" yeah that logic is full of flaws. (example) i stand ontop of some 1 while attacking you, you cant even see what weapon im hitting you with. :roll: and the risk issue shouldnt be an issue anyone considering "RISK" itself is going out the window with the new/old wild. im in favor of extremes and overloads in the wild, not just because i can use them BUT for the fact that its the wilderness. if you want a fair fight, go somewhere else. the wild isnt fair and never has been.