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so you believe that unqualified people should get the same rewards as qualified people just because they are minorities? No. I don't. Would you like to know why that's not a slam dunk reason for you being correct? 1) You're still being incredibly racist and ignorant because you refuse to admit that you think everyone benefitting from affirmative action is unqualified 2) If anything, your argument boils down to what percentage of people that benefit from affirmative action are unqualified 3) In that boil-down, you are miserably wrong because an overwhelming most of people that benefit from affirmative action are qualified

i'm pretty sure i spoke in english, so no translation is necessary. i said exactly what i meant, and in no way implied that black people were incompetent. all i'm trying to say is that scholarships, jobs, etc, should be given to people based only on thier qualifications. anyone can accomplish what they want with enough hard work. AA just allows lowers the standard for certain race groups. if me believing that no one should be given special treatment based on the color of their skin makes me racist, then i'm proud to be racist. You still don't realize that the omitted portion of your argument that "affirmative action is wrong, people should only be judged on their qualifications" is that anyone that recieved benefits from affirmative action were unqualified and only got that scholarship or job offer because they were a minority.

1) White people are not the only racists, and to try to imply I'm saying otherwise is ludicrous. Your entire argument about your dad at work is illogical because your dad is NOT the minority. You take a literal definition of the word "minority", which is misguided on both metaphorical and literal levels. A) On a literal level, whites are the overwhelming majority in the United States, and just because your dad works sorrounded by blacks does not somehow prevent him from no longer being grouped with the majority B) On a metaphorical level, we take the concept of "majority" as the group with the majority of power. Unless you are deaf, dumb, blind, and without nerves so that someone can write on your hand like Hellen Keller, it's blindly obvious that the overwhelming majority of power in all forms in the United States is held by whites. 2) Diversity has always been and will always be a buzzword used by people in their misguided attempt to dodge the label of "racist" instead of attempting to understand and break down racism. Don't bother using that word because it has zero meaning to me- diversity is a word people use because they're terrified of being called a racist, not being racist. 3) Your claim that you went to a diverse school also has absolutely no weight, and you are correct in saying that it was an exception. A) The racial demographic of your school most likely still had a white majority, and even if it didn't, see D B) There still exist schools that are lily-white with highly qualified well paid teachers and a wealth of funding for technology and books C) There still exist schools that are nearly all black with no funding for ANYTHING. D) Your individual school experience means as much as mine: absolutely nothing. Unless your school demographic represents every single school in the U.S., don't generalize it. I went to a school that was mostly middle class, mostly white, and while they still had "budget issues", they recently spent $15 million in upgrades. You find me a school in urban Chicago that got that much money without being beneficiaries of a celebrity or philanthropist, you let me know. 4) Your argument that everyone brings the unleveling of the playing field upon themselves is discussed below due to its importance. 5) You really want to know why this country was built on enslavement? Slavery started FAR before the Constitution was ever a twinkle in the founder's eyes. The constitution JUSTIFIED racism simply by not declaring it illegal or wrong- the statement "all men are created equal" comes with the omitted portion "except for negros, because we need to placate the south to stay in the war for independence with us, so we're going to allow slavery, which is easily and by far the worst crime humanity ever committed against itself" A) Jefferson owned slaves B) Black African slavery existed in the U.S. for 167 YEARS before the Constitution was written C) It's hard not to point to the part of the constitution that gave 3/5ths of a vote for every black slave owned by a slaveowner as their way of counting blacks in the constitution. THREE FIFTHS of a PERSON. D) When the Constitution, none of it was ever considered applicable to blacks E) Section 9. The migration or importation of such persons as any of the states now existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight. TRANSLATION: We're going to allow slavery until 1808 Don't ever ask me on whether or not the ends justify the means. F) Article 4, Section 2: No person held to service or labor in one state, under the laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in consequence of any law or regulation therein, be discharged from such service or labor, but shall be delivered up on claim of the party to whom such service or labor may be due. TRANSLATION: Escaped slaves shall be returned to their owners G) Here's the real kicker. Section 2 of Article 4 was removed. The Bill of Rights, adopted in 1791, states that "no person can be deprived of life, liberty, or property." Slaves were considered property, and slaveholders could take their property (slaves) with them even into free states. H) Most Northern states abolished slavery by 1804 not because it was wrong, but because it wasn't profitable for them. Your final argument, that racism nowadays is brought about by self victimization, is so absolutely racist, ignorant, abhorrent and presumptuous that it actually makes me angry. 1) Stop attempting to generalize your personal experience (I can do anything I want if I work hard) to everyone else 2) Believing that this country is on a path towards eliminating racism is not delusional, it is dangerously corruptive and devastating to actual attempts to break down racism- your inability to see it in no way denies its existence

Calling me racist is hilarious, ktmcf, because of your following statement: Scholarships are given to blacks only because of their skin color. Your argument of course, means that the person who received that scholarship had ZERO qualifications for getting that scholarship. Translation: Everyone that benefits from affirmative action is incompetent and undeserving, everyone that "gets screwed" because of affirmative action got screwed because they were more competent. You see where I'm going with this? What you fail to realize is that you in fact were born privileged, lived privileged, and still act as if you weren't getting any favors. How exactly do you think your ability to get those act scores/WORK EXPERIENCE/GPA came about? Did you scratch your way through a school that couldn't afford teachers, much less books? Everyone that argues with me on this thread really has no idea the kind of privilege they got during their lives- it's like they think they started out equal with everyone else. Your entire post is filled with racist privileged assumptions and you don't even know it. That's the entirety of the problem.

It's all you have? What about your brain? Compete with everyone else mentally by getting better grades and scoring better on standardized tests to get into college and win your spot fairly. That is what the rest of the country and world has to do. Affirmitive action is like playing a basketball game and spotting the other team 10 points before the game even starts. If the team that was spotted the points wins you have to wonder... do you actually consider that a win? If I was black I would hate affirmitive action because I could succeed on my own without it and I would hate everyone second guessing me wondering if I had only gotten in to fill some racial quota. Earning their respect would be much harder because of this. That post you're quoting is from me, and you're wrong because 1) Your argument assumes that the game being played is 0-0 without affirmative action, which is wrong because its more like being tilted 0-40 in favor of whites. 2) You have no idea what it's actually like to be born into situations that many people are born into- this whole "my brain can take me anywhere i want" is stupid motivational sayings that our teachers tried to drill into our brains since we were in diapers 3) If you were black? Shut up. You have no idea what its like to have a different skin color, don't ever think about presuming to know what its like to be nonwhite. I'm not quite sure what makes some of you so presumptuous that you claim to be able to put yourself into other people's shoes, but the only thing many of you are qualified to talk about is the privilege you've received ever since you were born. Adam, I swear I'll get to your post.

And there is quite possibly the most racist and ignorant statement ever uttered on the boards of Tip it: Minorities don't succeed because they don't care. Granted that's a broad generalization, but a lot of the time it is because of their environment and what is put in their head. Which is why I support AA for economic factors - just not race. And could you address the latest reply I made to you Chris? Chris, could you reply to the argument I just made? Gimme time, Adam. Despite the skills I'm getting from sparring with you that i'm going to use in writing my papers this semester, real life and love of ESPN.com interferes. I'll write out an answer after i'm done grocery shopping tonight. And seriously. "I'm not racist because I'm best friends with someone who's black?"

And there is quite possibly the most racist and ignorant statement ever uttered on the boards of Tip it: Minorities don't succeed because they don't care.

Your argument is terrible for reasons: 1) Being white is still an advantage in today's society 2) The existence of impoverished whites means nothing because even they still enjoy privileges from being white 3) Your list of 5 successful blacks is supposed to mean something? There's always exceptions, none of them disproving that white privilege is still a fact in today's society- not every white person is going to be incredibly successful, but not every black person is going to live in poverty for their entire lives. 4) http://www.bsos.umd.edu/socy/vanneman/s ... vrace.html Click and you'll notice the MASSIVE disparity in poverty levels between minorities and whites, and that's only from 3 seconds of Google 5) Your argument about college entrance seems to imply that the white person that didn't get in is disadvantaged for life- which is stupid because a) that application is not in fact the end of the world for the, B) their skin color still gives them a massive advantage in every aspect of life 6) Your argument that someone has to work harder of course comes from a perspective of someone who was born into and still lives with privilege, which means you've never considered the possibility that there are situations you can be born into that even hard work can't get you out of. How many times have you heard the story: a single black mother working THREE JOBS to feed her children and still going nowhere? The WORST part about us being privileged is the fact that we choose to ignore it.

Racism and prejudice is never, ever, acceptable. ever. I think you all would have quite the different viewpoint if it started happening to YOU. But then again, most of you in favor of profiling never have experienced the actual humiliation of being racially profiled, so whats the point in trying to tell you anything? As for whoever asked the question, the Koran does not advocate violence in any way. You might want to think about the fact that as far as religions go, the most people have been tortured, killed and dehumanized in the name of Christianity.

This whole "harms whites" argument is complete crap if you concede that white privilege is still a reality in today's society. It comes at the price of oppressing every other race. How the hell do you cry and whine about privilege that is taken away because it was gained from enslavement and oppression? By the way, darkmage clearly managed to lose all credibility with his answer to my hypothetical question.

I think the part of your statement that actually made me laugh is when you said the "nation is mostly healed from racism and oppression". Seriously, what kind of backward and blind thinking are you doing? You actually think this nation has "healed" anything? This nation has made oppression invisible to YOU. You clearly have led a privileged life, which blinds you to the real situation in the U.S. today. Your ivory tower "ignore race and stop paying attention and racism will fade away" is the nihilistic equivalent of "if we can't see it, it'll disappear". Affirmative action encourages racism? You clearly have some incredibly warped view of what this country was built on. I have two examples from you: 1) The "constitution" and "freedom" you so value was paradoxically built on enslavement 2) When Texas was owned by Mexico, slavery was ILLEGAL. When Texas declared "independence" and won its "freedom" from Mexico, slavery became LEGAL.

The gender argument (which is also interesting because most of you don't realize that the major beneficiaries of affirmative action are WHITE WOMEN) is flawed because regardless of what "negative effects" you perceive from affirmative action... .....The costs of being male are far far far outweighed by the overwhelming benefits. As for the argument that you can use income, that's still painting affirmative action in a different light, seeing as how most households under the poverty line are of a different race than white. Since you know that most beneficiaries of affirmative income action are minorities, what's the difference?

Your argument is the exact same as the only real argument that people give against affirmative action: Affirmative action is wrong because we should live in a merit-based system. The omitted part of that argument (and the part people refuse to admit) is that you're saying we should be a merit based system because people that benefit from affirmative action are less competent than those who are excluded by affirmative action. This is the one distinction people fail to realize: You and everyone else that argues against affirmative action act as if it is an exclusionary system that raises one group above another. You want examples of white privilege in today's society? 1) Racial Profiling 2) Two people walk into a store. One person is black. The other person is white. A security guard immediately begins following the black shopper while leaving the white patron free to browse 3) Housing: Do you remember how real estate agents would refuse to move a black family into a neighborhood because it would "decrease land values?" That still happens. 4) Working (here's the ironic kicker): A white person can take a job at an affirmative-action workplace without suspicion that they got the job because of their race White privilege is a direct result of oppression. Why exactly should that system be allowed to continue? If you're told that the position in life you have is based on a system that oppresses others, why exactly do you take it as a personal indictment of you? Here's an analogy: You have direct proof that your collection of gold jewelry was made from the fillings of Jews that were gassed in concentration camps. Would you continue wearing that jewelry knowing where it comes from? If not, why does the same thing not apply to privilege?

I am saying never because there is no solution and you can't tell me one. Affirmative action isn't a solution, and was never meant to be- it was designed to help level the playing field, and it's succeeding at doing so. Your argument that affirmative action harms one group while benefitting another is, translated literally, saying that affirmative action hurts whites. The problem with that argument is that it assumes that whites don't continue to benefit from the few hundred-odd years of racial oppression (they do, and I can give you examples if you really want). "Harming" whites is simply a laughable argument. You can consider from the day the first slave was delivered to North American soil the first day of "White Affirmative Action".

I won't lie, I'm expecting the demographic of those opposing affirmative action to be majority white. Your argument is true that it is in fact reverse racism. However, 1) White privilege is the status quo 2) Affirmative action, while not in the slightest a good long term solution, is all we've got and it has its benefits 3) Rejecting a solution because it's not perfect gets us nowhere 4) There literally is NO OTHER short or long-term solution to the racist hierarchy we have in place now.

You're welcome to defend your position. I think it would be interesting if everyone posted their racial demographic when responding to this thread, it will certainly be interesting. Personally, I fall under Asian/Pacific Islander.

Despite efforts from Michigan State University and the University of Michigan, Proposal 2, an act to functionally end affirmative action in Michigan, is sailing through all barriers towards implementation and enforcement. It seems as though oppression is taking a much more subtle route than the segregation of the 50's. Anyways, feel free to share a thought or two about the whole deal.

The account must be made by the player of the account. Believe me Jagex have their ways and will catch you sooner or later. Back on topic, good luck with your baby, I know feeding babies is hard work and dirty work, but don't give up, I still miss you. :mrgreen: Your ability to understand a joke and not take it literally is hilariously bad. Good luck with the baby jak- hopefully you'll still drop by and say hi.

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the convo with the imp is clearly referring to the horrible grammar skills and slang people use i hate words like dem, dey, hu, dat It's a phonetic spelling of a british accent along the lines of cockney, maybe, but not about horrible grammar and slang people use.

The main pack of runescape players is probably gonna hit 43 hunting tomorrow, which means the falcons are going to be incredibly crowded.

The world 9 protest was a riot (no pun intended)- a bunch of 9 year olds that have nothing better to do than skip school and whine like babies. Seems to be quieting down now though, some pmods have been judiciously handing out temp mutes.

you should edit your post endo and get rid of the spoiler bit.

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