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Wasn't so sure I had that much of an influence. Glad I could be of some use. :P

I think you'll find I'm with you on the aspects of morality there, assassin.

I got an idea. Perform a self-excorcism. It's easy. :lol: What you do is lock yourself in a room and crank the most rancid, brutal heavy metal you can find. Head bang and scream all the negativity out. :twisted: But a serious message you could take out this is vent into something creative. My god how well that's worked for me.

Cool man, why don't you like thier recent stuff? I'm thinking of buying some.

Heh, me too. I also: Just found out about a cool band that I didn't know about, Over the last 2 months or so I've learnt and managed to keep in my head 12 tool songs (guitar). :P And... It's been raining in Brisbane! OMG double-you-tee-eff is this wet stuff falling from the sky? Lol. =P~ (there's been a drought over the last few years here) Totally I've been laying in my nice warm bed watching dvds with all this extra time. The rain is beautiful. I have 4 finals as well. starting this saturday. and :ohnoes: :ohnoes: rain !! School or uni? :P

All depends on where your interests are. I find the concepts of biology and chemistry pretty straight foreward but not overly easily so. I've never really considered myself smart. All it takes is interest.

Heh, me too. I also: Just found out about a cool band that I didn't know about, Over the last 2 months or so I've learnt and managed to keep in my head 12 tool songs (guitar). :P And... It's been raining in Brisbane! OMG double-you-tee-eff is this wet stuff falling from the sky? Lol. =P~ (there's been a drought over the last few years here) Totally I've been laying in my nice warm bed watching dvds with all this extra time. The rain is beautiful. Another few days would be ace for more than one reason, as you alluded to. :P :pray:

Heh, me too. I also: Just found out about a cool band that I didn't know about, Over the last 2 months or so I've learnt and managed to keep in my head 12 tool songs (guitar). :P And... It's been raining in Brisbane! OMG double-you-tee-eff is this wet stuff falling from the sky? Lol. =P~ (there's been a drought over the last few years here)

It's a little too easy for me actually... motivation is an issue when you're free to come and go and a semester is 13 weeks where as in school 13 weeks would have been a little over a term and it's manditory.

And what do you think a requirement of that is? What MPC said. I've already said he'd be right in a sense but then people would latch on and come to the misinformed conclusions about satanists I've given. I'm not denying there's selfishness, it's just annoying how people see it as an excuse to come in and assume everyone who follows the philosophy follows it like an unbreakable law or something. Maybe I'm just being ignorant, but what is the point of following a philosophy if it's not law to you? What's the worth of a philosophy that can't be followed all the time? It's like saying "I'm a Satanist sometimes, but when I don't feel like it I'm not"...? This is difficult indeed. What's the point? Perhaps you see that it conforms to the way you already think and decide to be loosely based as a 'satanic thinker' perhaps you only cherry pick a few tenents of it as part of being a broader free thinker or perhaps you take everything literally with no breadth for change as the collective unconcious (society) does. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps. Whatever floats your boat. I just happen to be the second of the three.

Thinking for yourself and thinking only of yourself are entirely different concepts though. You can not be a sheep, and still care for others at the same time. It's not a doctrine. I can't believe people can't understand this. They're just ideas. Only nutsos think they are absolute truths. Satanism is a way of saying I can be a free thinker and a skeptic of things which is a position seen as selfish because I'm not subordiante to any higher being. The selfishness also comes into indulgence which satanism claims is pleasurable and should be enjoyed, not shyed away from, of which the former observation is true (that indulgence is enjoyable, that is). I could argue Western philosophy is loosely parallel to LaVeyan Satanism.

Yeah, you could definitely put it that way. But at the same time, you're leaving certain aspects of it out. It's living your life at the fullest, but only for you and for your needs, not worrying about anyone else's. That's basically what I got from all of the research that I did. I see that clearly but I can also see how people aren't always bigoted mindless drones and have the ability to think for themselves. One of the tenents of satanism is not to be a sheep i.e. follow something as if it's the absolute truth. There will always be nutters, as I've agreed, but the argument seems to be they're all selfish, they follow the whole philosophy as a doctrine and it's all bad. I'm just seeing a bit of bias and I'm trying to defend the position of a satanist.

And what do you think a requirement of that is? What MPC said. I've already said he'd be right in a sense but then people would latch on and come to the misinformed conclusions about satanists I've given. I'm not denying there's selfishness, it's just annoying how people see it as an excuse to come in and assume everyone who follows the philosophy follows it like an unbreakable law or something.

Yeah, it's pretty crazy. The basic jest of it is putting yourself before others, and not really caring about a whole lot (mainly people). But it's funny, everyone thinks you have to have blood sacrifices and worship Satan. I'd go with a less negative spiel and say it's basic jist is living your life to the fullest extent without fear of repercussion. You see, you'd be right in a sense, but some people will come on and lash onto what you said as if satanists are morally bankrupt and common senseless, mindless, sadistic remnants of human beings.

Oh man, just discovered this band from Canada after hearing a song of thiers on the radio last night. Brutal as hell. This stuff is right up my alley, now thinking of buying thier album. Eh, seems to be something wrong with posting links, just search for thier mysapce. Listen to the breakdown in 'She's Strychnine' =P~ I'm thinking of a new genre: music to go insane to \m/ Lock me in a room with it, please! lol. :thumbsup: What do you guys think?

Hahaha, good times. :P I believe you Nardril, are a good OT'er along with Warrior, Satenza, Goddess, Merciful, Lionheart, Kayla (What happened to her anyway? :cry: ), Poopingman, and countless others. :D Sir Alex gets an A on comedian (Your Sig rocks :P) and Deloria an A for "entertainment". :lol: I'd give Alex an A on music tastes, although I know it's not specifically OT. If I remember correctly, you're a bit of a Pantera fan right, Alex? :D

Dude, I've got one issue that trumps all of yours, hands down. The metropolis in which I live called south-east Queensland has a population upwards of 2 million people. Current dam capacities are at the lowest points on the records and it hasn't rained since... well... it actually rained today, but a significant downfall over the catchment areas hasn't occured upwards of 2 years. Current collective dam levels are approx 18% and it's extimated that we will possibly just scrape through with 5% by the time a recycling plant gets built. But what if it can't supply the dams sufficiently with recycled water? Imagine an exodus of 2 million people. That's what I call a problem. But I deal with it. Life goes on. If it dosen't, it's worth will be less.

Big egos usually stink obviously in a post i.e. a post will reek of ego. I don't think this guy's opening post does to be honest.

I never said I knew what happens for a fact, I just wanted to hear peoples opinions of what they think happens, not trying to be a religious idiot or anything... Now kiddies, if you do that in the bathroom god will smite you down to hell! It was just a statement on the broader issue. I wasn't trying to accuse you personally.

It's not worth thinking you know for a fact, for everyone's sake, in my opinion. Believe what you want, it's ok, but thinking you know what happens as an undeniable fact... upsets people. It's unknown. That's the beauty of it.

Heh, thanks mate, I have found you very reasonable to chat to on the issue, so thanks for that. :P I'd say most people here are genuinely decent. I've tried getting some more contravercial topics off the ground and they generally do decently with minimal, if any, flames (I was particularly pleased with posters like Barihawk and Ambassadar contributing to the macroevolution topic sensibly). I'm always keen on (hey, not like that, get your mind out of the gutter :P ) people who are prepared to admit they are wrong. Eh, I'll admit it's a bit of a rarity, for myself included, but anyone who does or has gets my vote. I think I remember Rebdragon doing it once, so there's one that sticks to mind. :D

You'd be largely correct there, mate. As I think I stated in the above post (sorry for the double) there will inevitably be crazies in any schism of ANY group of people. If you want any reassurance, all the stories of goat slaying, human or baby sacrafices, bloodletting fantasies/ whatever any other sick, twisted thing you want to think of done in the name of 'satan' are often done as a tribute to evil. As satanism has nothing to do with the biblical satan (watch the video, people, it's easy) these people are often loosely associated with LaVeyan Satanism at best. Just as a sidenote I'd like to thank the majority of you for staying largely on the issue at hand. :)

It can only be considered genocide if everyone was wiped out, but 8 people were spared, not 1. You're wrong. It's still genocide. You don't have to wipe out an entire species for it to be genocide. Its also intresting to note your perspective on it. If you read Noah you would know the reason behind the flood. God did it because they were all killing, stealing, thieving, murdering, lieing, being adulters. They wasn't "good folks". Definatly not a enviroment you would want to live in.. yet so God decides to start anew.. but by your standards he is considered a murderer, but the people who was murdering people get much sympathy from you? So its okay for people to kill people, but for God? Oh noes.. Silent Treatment! Reject him! As for the world changing for the better.. I see only the world advancing in its technologies. We went from the agricultural age, to the industrial age, and now to the technology age. But if you REALLY believe that your TV, or your remote control, or your computer monitor, or perhaps your mouse makes you a BETTER person in life.. then I think your judgement has been clouded. What would you define as better? More religion? In my sense of the word, the world is better - whether you notice it or not, there is less violence. More fear (wonder where that comes from) but less violence. Good people have good morales. Yet in todays society, morality is not teached, just knowledge. So that leaves us with a generation of kids not knowing right from wrong. But maybe their Nintendo DS has made them a better person. And I suppose you claim some religion is needed to teach morality, yes? That would be fine if that was the only thing they taught. Continue to claim that i'm only 1 person with 1 view and that is of a Christian View. I can always claim that your 1 person, and with only 1 view, and that would be of a atheist view. Its intresting to note that you think just because i'm a christian, all of a sudden you use words like "my own religious agenda". Yet because your a athiest, that automaticly makes you a open minded person? And you can't have any selfish agendas? Thus automatically making your way of thinking, your lifestyle, and your perspectives the right way to live life? Here's a truth, everyone has a religion, whether it has a name or not, because everyone believes in something. That couldn't be more of a false statement. Added to that, you're saying it as if it's a bad thing. A belief is not a religion and I'd argue that atheists have NO unjustified beliefs whatsoever (that's if they are true atheists). Don't try to argue against atheists with that whole 'atheism is a belief or a religion' argument. It annoys me to no end because it's wrong and a misrepresentation of who we are. To answer your first question, I have watched the entire video, and I know he "claims" its not a cult, but it is. Have you watched the video I posted? The "proffesionals" claim that the Jesus guy is a cult, who practice closely related to the same thing the satanists are teaching. One is a self created doctrine, the other is using the bible as a excuse to live selfishly, not to mention you'd have to be a nut to think that guy was the christ in the first place. What are you talking about? No it seems I haven't seen your video, sorry. If you think LaVeyan Satanism is a cult, I'm sorry, you'd be wrong. It has nothing to do with religion or trying to scam your money. It's a philosophy which can, and I'd argue, is adopted loosely. It teaches not to be a sheep and think for yourself thus to not get sucked into any cult. It's not a cult, it really just isn't. So basically i'm ignorant because I call it a cult? Maybe you think I am ignorant because i'm just like the millions of other christians who see the word "satan" and say evil at start off? That would be judging a book by its cover, would it not? Thats why I watched the entire video, and here is my opinion on it here after. Okay, well lets see what Noah Webster says philosophy is. To me, its a cult because Philosophy is somehwat untested ground. If it was tested, you would know the results, and the philosophy would no longer exist. It would be a Fact or a Truth. Based on this Webster, philosophy is to find out the truth of the matter. So these guys believe that.. being selfish and greedy.. and just living for pleasure rather than for others.. is soon going to be a known as a undiscovered truth? (Look at how many live for themselfs now!) Well lets see.. if other countries were self indulging with their oil.. and said "we won't sell".. i'm sure that wouldn't hurt us.. or perhaps if the truck riders who bring new supplies to the businesses decided their going on a selfish trip for pure happiness... I wouldn't be shocked if business'es closed down? Being Selfish is a path to destruction, its been proven many times as a lesson in history. The same issue, the same result, everytime. You think everyone follows this philosophy to the very last word like a mindless bigot? You know, I wouldn't be suprised if they did drugs, after all they have the mentality, "if it feels good, do it". That really is rediculous, seriously. It's slander and it's just rediculous. You have no idea what these people choose to do with thier lives and have no right to judge them no matter what your beliefs say. If they do drugs and get caught, they'll get prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I've even heard the leader of the philosophy say that if anyone commits a violent act, it's stupid and they should get prosecuted to the full extent of the law. They have the ability to think independant of thier philosophical ideas. Well, what if I had the best drink in the world? It tasted so good you would give up everything you own for it? Only one tiny problem with the the drink though, and that is one of the ingredients is poison.. so if you drink it, then you die. However, the poison does not directly kill you, it kills you after a period of say.. 10 to 20 years. Would you take a drink? Now you can be smart and say "hell no!".. or you can be a satanist, indulge yourself the drink and be dead in 10 years from now. Yet another rediculous statement. DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT EVERYONE WHO FOLLOWS THIS TAKES IT AS A LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF HOW TO LIVE YOUR LIFE? As I said, defender, not everyone is a mindless bigot who needs a doctrine to live by. Satanism is just a bunch of ideas. Ideas can't hurt you or turn you crazy unless you are deat set nuts. How about drug addicts? They are indulging themselfs are they not? Yet we all know its not worth it to do drugs. They can not only cost your job, but mainly your health, which reduces your life spand. Indulging, WILL reduce your life spand if you do it consistently. Just as too much water is bad for you, just as too much sex is bad for you (because you can get std's from doing 1 night stands), just as too many pills are bad, and too many of anything can and will hurt you. Its called overdose, and thats what indulging does. It doesn't just take a pleasure and stop there, it wants more and never stops till it gets it. Yes, so according to your infinite wisdom, all satanists must be drug junkies, pr0n addicts, prostitutes, obese, lazy individuals. You are really starting to annoy me. You will have to use self control to stop, but thats not what indulging is about! Its about living for yourself and no one else! Anyone can live life for themselfs, but remember this. Love thinks of OTHERS first. So where there is selfishness, love does not exist. Again, you're assuming satanists are endlessly selfish. You are a very diffiult person, defender. You can say i'm bad for calling them a cult, but anyone who says "I don't care about you, your problems, the worlds problem, i'm just gonna go do what feels good, screw you, plz be a member" has one hell of a messed up mind. This is incredibly ignorant of you, really. It's a bunch of ideas. If you don't like it, and you clearly dont, then please grow some faith and leave it be. It can't hurt you. I'll say it again, just because you follow some ideas dosen't mean you're a bigoted mindless human being with no sense of compassion or common sense. If you really think these people will sacrifice their life for your life when all they can think about is their own... all I can say is wow.. keep wishing good-will and morality was in their heart.. but apparently they wasn't taught it at all, so don't be shocked when a satanist doesn't take a bullet for you, or your kids. And as for your last paragraph, if you NEED to take the emotion out to understand it, then that right there should tell you something isn't right with it. Oh wait.. let me guess.. us little christians are so wronnnnnnng for for not being open minded.. yet were suppose to believe we have the absolute truth in the bible already? Shame on us for not denoucing Gods ways because these guys here "may" have the truth? Which would be "selfishness and living life for yourself = Best way to live". I'm not asking you to change your beliefs. Infact, I'm not asking you to do anything! This is a topic about a philosophy! It's a bunch of ideas, mate. If your post has done anything it's affirmed a stereotype in my mind. HAVE MORE FAITH AND LEAVE THE IDEAS BE, THEY WON'T HURT YOU. Of course, there will be extreme cases, JUST LIKE THERE ARE EXTREME CASES IN ANY RELIGION OR ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE ON THE ENTIRE PLANET. I don't think I could call myself a christian if I acted that way, easily giving up on my views, and hoping from 1 religion to another. Sounds like insecurity to me. So many people say we are wrong for trying to convert people, yet everywhere i look, it seems people want to convert me away from God.. Again, they are philosophical musings. It never ceases to amase me how people claim that faith strengthens thier life no no end but at the first hint of anything contrary to it, it seems to vanish. ~Defender~ Ugh. That was difficult. BOLD = ME

We never needed them but we do now. Mutually assured destruction. Thats an awful strategy, lets look at North Korea, are they being deterred-no. Short of a leader being clinically insane and his/her subordinates being the same, M.A.D. assures we don't annihalate the biosphere. If north kora fire one off, you can say buh-buy to a whole country. It's not about deterrance from making the things - it's deterrance from firing them.

A moral philosophy that does nothing but accurately describe the state of society is kind of worthless. Saying "this is the way things are" is not a moral statement. Saying "this is the way things should be" is a moral statement, and if everybody (tried to) act out Satanism this world would be an awful place. It can't be universalized. There aren't enough resources, not to mention it denies all the virtues we admire in other people. I'm not saying it's the best set of morals in the universe nor should you take them as absolute, same with any set of morals. As far as I'm concerend, there's nothing wrong with a little indulgence in worldly pleasures. Being uptight and fearful of breaking a moral code your whole life is no way to live in my opinion. We all have a natural sense of altruism which can be brought to the fore if we keep in mind not to take any set of absolute morals as some sort of fact. And @ Defender: Have you watched the video in the opening post? I'd really rather you didn't label satanism as a cult for a few reasons. Firstly, it's not a cult; it's a philosophy. Secondly, it's not acceptable in my opinion just because it dosen't gel with your world view that you would label it with something as brash as 'cult'. If it weren't for the media, I'd be amazed at how much the satanist philosophy has been distorted. If it weren't for knowlege I already have, it would amaze me that people would feel so inclined to instantly wash thier hands with a philosophy mainly because of it's name. Take the emotion out of it and it's really not that hard to see that it's not evil/demonic/anti-christic/etc.