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[bleep] this, I had 470k by doing air runes, and was heading for 900 + for prome plate + spear, but I forgot you log out after 5 min of inactivity (those last package of air runes took that long -,-). Had to start over, damn. This round I couldn't find lycopus so I'll just make a spear.

That's slow too since you can only sell in 50's. If you move the runes to the bottom left corner and click both the left and the right mouse keys at the same time .. it doesn't take a lot of time to sell them. Crafting them still does though.

There are some advanced tactics though. Some people are rushing floors 1-29 in f2p (apperantly, all of those can be done in 2h), and then do the last 6 in a 5 man team on a large map. Other people play with a lvl 3 so the difficulty gets lower, yet you get more xp. Some people play 2:1 (with 2 people on a dungeon designed for one guy). This gets slower xp (7% reduction, and also lower base xp I believe), but it is almost double as fast.

That's slow too since you can only sell in 50's.

Okay, but don't forget these shields cost 200k/h while you can resell your arcane AND you miss out on a chaotic rapier or longsword untill you train another 50h.

It seems like they have tried to correct their previous mistakes (firemaking being useless, combat styles being unimportant, etc...) and put it in a small "runescape as it should be", and then called it a skill. :-)

I'd say pack yak is more essential than overloads, especially if you are not maxed, since you will probably only be allowed if you are maxed + overloads.

Damn, that sucks. I personally think it wouldn't be too imbalanced if it boosted max hit too by 75%, since you would still have to go through the hassle of making the pot and the runes.

Expect it to be nerfed soon. I doubt it counts as a bug exploit, but I also doubt Jagex wants people able to spend a little time in one dungeon making enough cash to max out their bound weapons. That's the only real benefit to infinite cash in dungeoneering (well, loads of "free" cooking, crafting and smithing experience on top of it but that's just tediously slow). I'd like to know it though, I've wanted this promethium spear for a while now -,-. Care to pm me, mario?

Yep, I think salve eels were over 200 xp in thebeginning;

Pfft, just checked my Arcane in the GE and wtf, why are they so low? It's not like the new shields are worth the tokens tbh.

You need to trap those things, not kill them. I don't think that any primal item is as good all around as the spear, only because of how useful it is to have every combat style. Oh damn, thanks for that. Do you get more than one hide this way?

Promethium spear p++. Longsword might be not too bad but: It doesn't have all attack styles It is slower It cannot be poisoned The fact a spear is 2 handed isn't too much of a problem either, because gathering resources for a shield is mostly a waste of time.

Hmm, last time I didn't kill all monsters and didn't notice any negative percentages? Also, do you guys bother making a gatestone in the beginning for small maps? I usually start out with selling some trash I find on the table, which lets me buy: marmaros pick axe marmaros hatchet tinderbox hammer knife bow string (I make a bow when I find tier 8 or 9 tree, allthough it might be a bit useless mostly, perhaps I should skip this) 50 rune ess (50 just for convenience, I make 10x earth, air, law, cosmic for gatestone and drop the last 10 ess) Then I make a gatestone, drop it, and start raiding. I have gorgonite platebody, gorgonite spear p+ and 150 saggitarean arrows bound (hoping to update to prome spear p++ and prome platebody asap). I usually take the time to mine at least 2 gorg ores for boots and gloves (15 str bonus + some def), sometimes more for a plateskirt too. I also kill all monsters normally, allthough I'm thinking about leaving the 100+ alone (and maybe those mastix animals too since I dont need the hides). Any tips on how to improve? I mostly finish a small dungeon in about 20 minutes. Just a remark: Don't you think rangers are pretty much disadvantaged here? First of all it's very hard to make decent armour. Those mastix animals are rare, and you'd need 5 of them just to make a body armour of it. Buying the best ones isn't an option either (would cost 400k). Secondly, bows seem to suck big time. I bound a saggitarean longbow for a few rounds (+ arrows) because I was impressed by it's massive (158) ranged bonus. Well, it was still pretty inaccurate, and it only hits 170s something, with 99 ranged. On top of that, it is a longbow, so it is quite slow. I guess platebody + spear bound is better than this bow + spear bound. Lastly, is anything primal really better than a prome spear?

So, with quite a few people above lvl 80, is there no one who has bought the rapier yet?

I think this skill fits into the rest by using ALL other skills into it's "minigame". It's finally useful to have 99 agilty, or 99 herblore, or ... . It's fun to use all your hard earned lvls.

I get how some items are crashing, like SS. I however do not understand why items like SGS (used for it's special, still not replaced), Bandos (nothing here that beats it yet), or even prayer potions are crashing. Arcane is also a little low for my liking, but that might be because I bought one for 104m :(.

It makes sense that yoru sgs wasnt selling for med, after you bought it for max (4h limit). It's strange though why you couldn't get one in the GE in the first place. I guess they actualy were rebounding and you got lucky to get one off the guy. Wait 4 hours and try to sell it again,

I think you go a bit too far with some of these conclusions. Yes, it's a minigame shoehorned into a skill. That much is obvious to anyone with a shred of objectivity. But while the content itself is similar style-wise to a couple of other minigames, it is definitely not "extremely similar" to anything else in terms of gameplay. I disagree with the comments about solo players. I soloed up to level 55 and just now did a couple of team levels. And you know what? Soloing is easier. It's easier to do, it's less hassle to set up, and it's (for me) a lot more enjoyable because I can do what I want, when I want. Good teams *should* get more XP -- they earn it. And don't be overly swayed by screenshots showing huge XP totals for teams. Most teams do not do as well as these groups. And all the time spent coordinating schedules and reset points and world hopping and role assigning and so forth -- that doesn't show up on the screen. This is not BA where you *must* have a team of five. It's flexible enough that you can play with various sizes, and that's a good thing. Some great ponits you brought up. I've been trying this skill finally for a decent amount of times (lvl 35 now) and my personal observation is that it seems to be a "skill" made to keep the high lvled players busy/happy. It uses a lot of other skills, so maxed people can enjoy using all their high skills, it takes a long time to level, and it is quite challenging once you get to the higher leveled dungeons (and/or if you team up). For me, who recently maxed out combat, and didn't feel like grinding more skills to get 85-90 agility and whatever, this minigame/skill is just what I needed to keep me busy and happy, because yes, I think it is enjoyable. I do agree that it should maybe not have been a skill, but then they wouldn't be able to make you work so much for the rewards. Right now it's at least 60 hours of work for these chaotic weapons, if it weren't a skill but just some minigame people would complain how they were forced to play this minigame to get the best gear,

Glad you changed your 300k overload number in something more reasonable. :-)

Yak, but if you are 99 mage already, I would still suggest fiends once you hit 95 summoning. It's insanely fast, faster than bursting.

Okay, so I'll just team up with some high lvl miner and hope for some promethium rocks. Not gonna be before friday though, damn planes not flying and a 30h bus ride :(.

Being a Korean myself, I would not consider your stereotype since I have more considerable things then to waste my life on this garbage. Like getting 173 whip drops?

Right now I have a gorgonite rapier. I tried to pick up every coin drop from monsers so I could buy promethium ore from the smuggler but I never got enough to buy more than one ore and I was too lazy to start gathering small stuff and sell it in order to get more money. I was hoping that I would meet some promethium rock to mine (is there any, and can I mine it with 86 mining?) but no luck so far. Also, what should I get if I get lucky enough to get some, a spear or a rapier?

"F1 - F3 Complete, Exit dungeon At ring, set the floor to F4 (DO NOT RESET!!!) and start (prestige stays 5) F4 - F6 Complete. Exit and Reset (Pres 6)" I get everything but that part now. Why would you exit the dungeon, and then just go in again to complete the last 2 (F5-6). I don't see how that changes anything.