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Show me one phenominon that can't be explained by science that also disproves the theories of either evolution or the big bang and I'll be beyond impressed. Huh? Umm... Creation...

VA is now for Obama, though it was McCain earlier, lol.

You are so obviously wrong that it can hardly be put into words. Just because something cannot be explained by science at this moment in time does not mean that it won't ever be explained. There is no reason to label something "supernatural" or "devine" when, odds are, it will be disproven in a matter of weeks. So far, nothing has ever been tested that goes against what science leads us to believe about the world, it's origins, and the diversity of life. THIS is the ultimate bit of irony. You provide little to nothing in terms of sources when you make a point. You never even answered my post directed towards you telling me that I couldn't debate. I really suggest you get a reality check and realize that your detrimental to your own side. Infact, no, I don't think that some things will EVER be explained by science. You obviously can't comprehend this, so I'll move on. And which post was this? Re-post it please.

No offence, but what makes these threads so good you guys are all dying to read and 'inspire' you? I really don't see what's so great about them.

All I can say, is whoever wins, don't [bleep] us over like Europe. But, no one can really say, what does Biden stand for? I mean, I asked one of my pro-Obama friends, and even she didn't know. EDIT: I'm waiting to walk into school tomorrow and everyone say "hahah McCain lost!! Obama won, in your face!" Tbh, it's quite aggravting, the Democrats in my school are like "you're not even 18! So shut up!" But does it matter...? I mean, if I'm mising the cut off date by 1 month, them I'm effectively 18, so don't I have the same right to debate?

I don't care anymore; I realized, that whoever gets elected, whether it be Obama or McCain, and whether or not they are the right president. They can only mess up the country so much in four years. Meanwhile, I bought an Obama shirt today, and my little bro goes 'omg how could you like Obama????? You're a freak." But, really, my family is really really conservative. Good grief, my parents come back for voting, I ask "did you vote for Warner?" And they say "good grief, he's just like Obama!" but, he did balance VA's budget, apparently.

Yea, I was going to say, Fascism is far right, and socialism\communism are far left. So... I'm not sure.

I mean, I've been wondering about this for a long time. I don't think it does exist, I think man created it to give life meaning, or a standard, a way to base his or her life.

Well, I'm not talking about the Louisiana Purchase, but mainly the Embargo, I think it brought down his whole career, despite the good things he did. KInd of like, how no matter how good Bush did, people will only remember him for the Iraqi War.

What miracles would these be? A rainbow? Is the refraction of light from the Sun as it hits a liquid (rain) and enters a medium with a different density to air, and again as it leaves. A fairly simple phenomenon that can be repeated manually by man using a glass triangular prism and a single beam of light, or if you're on a shoe-string budget, by sticking a straw into a glass full of water. I can't see any evidence of a "miracle" there, and hence, the existence of a higher being. Oh, sorry I wasbn't saying the rainbow was a miracle. :lol: But Satenza what I meant was, that they do not know what it is, so they label it science. Even though, science cannot explain everything. I mean, sure some things Jesus did could be explained by science, I'm not gonna deny it. But others simply can't; and I doubt some of them will be able to be explained. Like water into wine, and such.

Thunder never was, and never will be. And yes, some signs of God can be explained by science, such as rainbows.

Why? The example is quite old, it was in a video tape series my mom made us watch about Logic.

Magekillr, physically he saved it, but socially... Not so much. And I mean, my least hated president I guess you could say would most likely be... LBJ - Despite that he was arrogant, I think the Great Society was good (and yes, I know that is vaguely in some way resembles Obama.) Wilson - Just good overall. Taft - Trust Busta! TR - ok, but the Roosevelt Auxilliary really put me off, it's like the War in Iraq, but unneccesary. MOST HATED: JEFFERSON! Why you ask? Let me tell you why: [hide=WHY]EMBARGO OF 1807 AKA Non-Intercourse Act God! What was Jefferson thinking? Cutting off all trade? You [wagon]! The country started to fail and it was because of you!!!![/hide] Second most hated: Millard Fillmore\ Andrew Johnson Reason: Really, they didn't do anything, even Hoover was better than them. And yes, I know my most hated pres. are extrememly opinionated.

Comparing heaven to Central Park? :thumbup: I personally haven't seen any miracles happen. You might say 'That's because you don't truly want to be a Christian'. So, in order to convince me to turn to Christianity, I'd like to see a miracle. But it seems like I can only see them if I already believe God can make miracles happen. And I don't. Because I haven't seen any miracles, so I don't believe in God. :? Of coruse not, Atheists see Miracles too, they just don't want to br proved wrong, so they label it 'science.' And as too someone posting about my 'errors,' do you even know what logic is? For real, it's how you form an argument so in that case: Humans eat food, Humans can go into space. Llamas eat food, Llamas can go into space. Now while that's extremely simplistic, it's lodically correct. Example2: Ray Charles is blind Love is Blind God is love Ray Charles is God. Logically it's correct, but it makes no sense if you think about it. Now I know most of you use logic instead of 'critical thinking,' but please just say "so, critical thinkign would say the earth is round." Instead of "so logic dictates the earth is round." And lastly, as I stated earlier, 90% of people in here can't debate, yet, no one is actually pointing out my mistakes, except for spelling ones. I only think about 3 total people can actually debate (atheists and Christians combined.)

How do I have terrible reasonings, pleazse show examples, and say why they're terrible. Second: Then talk to a theologian, or a pastor. And the Bible aren't just 'stories,' while some, the parables, are, they are used by many Atheists actually. They contain good moral standards. And many people and cities and such have been proven to be correct.

Was that with me Lowc? I think I remember that. 5\10, keep it up!

This guy taped Frosted Flakes, Froot Loops and Cheerios boxes to his front and back of his body. And wore a Jason mask with a bloody knife, he was a 'cereal killer' :lol: :lol: :lol: And no, it's not ridiculous, if it'd no religious stuff then no religious stuff.

Well, I think yes, they're related, but not. If you, know what I mean. 1) God and 'ghosts' are both supernatural, no one can deny that's what they're classified as. BUT 2) People can believe in God, but not ghosts. OPINION!!!!: But personally, I believe in God, but not Ghosts, or Purgatory for that matter.

No, they wouldn't. Just like, in the Bible, Jesus did miracles, and people still didn't believe in him. If you don't want to be a Christian, God won't make you be one.

No, lol. I'm not really sure, actually. Let me think about it. EDIT: 1) I think that IF Henry Clay was ever mde President, he would have made a great one. Even though I imagine nowaways he'd be like Obama, with the American System, and wanted everyong to pay higher taxes to make a national highway system. Not really nationalizing, but kinda sorta if you know what I mean. But actually presidents: Eh, now that I think about it, I don't really have one.

OMG! I love Whereabouts Unknown!! Favorite sing on the album. Kinda sad though. Wontong: I love One by Apocalyptica, which reminds me: One\ Fade to Black \ Nothing Else Matters - Inquisition Symphony (album) - Apocalyptica.

1)Good point, I have to get back to you on that. I used to know the answer, but forgot. I read this apologetics book back in the 8th grade, and forgot it all. However, I did post a link proving Christianity, but I guess no one clicked on it... 2) What? First off, that's probably the easiest pont I've ever heard a Atheist make AGAINST religion. It is so easy to prove your mother loves you, though it does differ mother to mother. 3) Uhh, that really doesn't make any sense. Second, here's the thing, Christian parentsw teach the kids, but it's the kids responsilbility to ask God into their hearts. Also, why bring up masturbation in a religious topic..? Lol. I mean, yes, there are aprents who force feed Christianity into their childrens heads, and the kids rebel, and become Atheists. Some become Christians again in their life later on, others stay Atheistic. Ever heard 'faith like a child' ? This is a problem with most Children (Christian or not) what it means is you believe whatever you mom\dad\pastor\teacher tells you, and never question it. You can question God, ask him to prove he's real, and he'll show you.

I guess disagreeing with your party 10% of the time is the prerequisite for calling yourself a maverick now *shrugs* And I never said they have the exact same policies. 90% is 90%, not 100%, not 50%. edit: and i'm quite enjoying the SNL tonight; the opening skit was one of the best i've seen in awhile, and i was surprised how well Affleck pulled off the olbermann impersonation. OT: all the SNLS I've seen lately is crap, the Palin one (old now) was funny though. 2) MOST of the stuff, is what I said. But, I mean, he isn't really a maverick but more so than Obama. @Magekllr on page 35: Yes, Lincoln saved the country, cool, I still don't like him. Just liek Jefferson was a great intelligent person, he's my most hated President of all time. I could go into so much detail why I hate him. But remember, it's opinion, you could think Bush was the greatest president of all time, I wouldn't agree, but that's your opinion.

I'm a Christian, and believe in miracles, but even I got to say that's an awful argument. Said people only have 10% or less? So they still can get better, it's just very unlikely.

Wow I'd love to see McCain actually try to use that argument, lol. Firstly, you're assuming McCain and Bush would've differed on 2 of every 5 (or any minority) issues per bill. With McCain backing Bush 9 out of every 10 votes, you can be quite sure that's it's not just a coincidence that they voted so closely. Secondly, not only would he immediately be laughed at, it could then be said that anyone's past voting record doesn't mean much of anything. "Oh I only voted for the bailout bill because it would give wooden arrows a tax exemption" Republicans couldn't claim Obama is a radical liberal anymore because he could use the same excuse you're trying and say he only agreed with 51% of the bills he voted for. Well, here's the thing, Bush and McCain are both Republican, So, naturally, they would agree on some or most stuff right? But, that doesn't mean they have the exact same policies.