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In theory, capitalism is even better than communism. The harder the work the richer you get, right?

Yes you're right. I'll stop discussion with the duo-country differences. @Teshiburu Wouldn't it be easier to change allowance (some sort of welfare?) than maintain national borders?

It works. My dad does it. Even watched movies on it.

So Cuba is kicking out half a million people so they can find jobs in the private sector? Personal OP's input and summary would go far, thanks.

Yeah, CDs aren't like flash drives. Really confusing for first-timers. Luckily I think windows now has easier, automatic options to erase and burn CDs.

No, no no and no. You're in school to learn and to think for yourself, not to be a computer. The only reason someone should need to use a calculator is if they're multiplying a five digit number with itself five times over, and they never ask those questions in school anyways. If you don't know why 9 x 9 is 81 because you're used to the answer 'because the calculator says it is so it must be so' then you're pretty much useless to society. You might not do everything on pen and paper at 'work' but you won't get the job in the first place if you don't know the 'why's. I wish I wasn't on my phone, I would totally post the guy holding a newspaper looking at you funny picture right now. Society uses technology not only for entertainment, but for business, science, and everything else. High school has not taught me one bit of technology, which is a damn shame. Education shouldn't be falling behind simply because of old geezers sticking with tradition and a holier than thou attidude. I don't see how applying technology for schools decrease your ability to learn or think for yourself. Were not at a point that the computee does everything for you, you still have to input your own data and evaluate the solution presented to you. That knowledge is what you get taught in school. The knowledge how to input and work a computer is not.

Religion is ridiculously complicated stuff. The world would be better if people treated religion like Star Wars: a good tale of a moral teaching. Believe that Darth Vader is real and you're an idiot.

Plus its not like in your job you're going to use a pen or paper. Teaching how to use a complex calculator is something American schools should start teaching, as well as general technology for the future workforce.

Vermont, Canada, same thing right?

Depends what type of censorship we're talking about. The rating system, TV regulations, etc.

What's PC supposed to mean?

GENIUS.

Problems like what? Crime and welfare? And we're not rescuing the world, we're just giving them another opition. I want immigrants to come here and do work their way up by themselves. What other countries? I never said lets help Mexico, I said to help American citizens, which if immigrants become legalized, they will be a part of America. What second countries are we helping? I don't know about Sweden, but in America you can be hardest working person in the world but if you have no skilled trade you got no chance at entering legally. The only reason why I support immigrants is for their hard work, not crime lords, welfare hoggers, or druggies. I don't know what the problems are Sweden, but here in America, the arguments for tougher immigration can easily be solved if they gave amnesty. But they still don't want to. Why? Because they don't want Mexicans in their white neighborhoods, in their white country. Just like they didn't want the Chinese to come, the Irish, the Italians, the rest of the world. I didn't answer the posts related to Sweden because I am focusing on American immigration.

@OldJoe: If immigrants became citizens they would be part of the country thus be taken care of first. Sweeds first, others second. And don't let others become Sweedish. How is that not racist? Problems should be dealt with no matter how many people there are.

Oh I think it does. Laws are based on the foundation of the good and righteous, if I'm starving and know I can advance economically not only for myself but for my family and descendants, I have the damn right to do so. It even says in this nations' constitution's natural rights given to all men "Land, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". No law should interfere with those rights simply because I was born a few kilometers south of Texas. I take a humanity view on nations and borders, where we are all one not two. Where they unskilled latinos? If not, it's irrelevant to the bigger issue at hand. Make them legal and if they avoid taxes, jail, if they commit a crime, jail. Legalizing them solves a lot of problems. I don't get why we worry more about terrorists than our own internal gangs and criminals already here. If the US government wants to spend money not letting the terrorists in, why can't we effectively stop the "terrorists" already in? There's no incentive to become legal because an unskill worker has literally a .5% chance of ever becoming one. With that odds you bet you would take another route. And again, legalizing them will force them to pay for the benefits they get through taxes. This I agree, besides the learn English part that will take too much money to teach them. Anyone who resists this are obviously drug deals/criminals that should be jailed, NOT sent back. If we made them legal this wouldn't be a problem. Again with the funny laws. It was legal for Europeans sure, but the natives had rules of territorial boundaries. Are we picking laws that favor us and ignore those that don't? Laws should be universal. But no one is arguing we give the land back to the natives, what has been done has been done, but the fact that all Americans were immigrants at one point should make us sympathetic to immigrants now, not against them. I will still go on to say, tougher immigrant laws is just racism hiding behind a curtain. Most anti-immigration arguments would be nonexistent if we legalized the immigrants, like how we did back in the day. Then they can't be stealing our jobs, they're citizens and deserve the same rights as you, if you continue arguing for that you're a damn racist. They can't steal our social benefits because they're citizens and deserve the same rights as you (this may be the motivation to reform welfare too, so we won't go bankrupt). The Scotts built the White House, the Chinese built the railroads, the Italians built the bridges, the Irish mined the caves, the Mexicans worked in the fields. Immigrants built this nation and you don't need a law to see who the true Americans are.

Lowc has good timing! :mrgreen:

Yeah, so I figured after watching Machete, (no immediately afterwards of course) TIF needed a new debate thread. Don't shoot me please. America (this thread is focused more on the American-Mexican border, but Swedish borders can be posted too) is a nation founded on immigrants and for that I believe we should continue to be so. What has Obama done for immigration? Regarding terrorists, should we be concered with them crossing our borders? Why is our border so dangerous? And how can it be solved? Legalized drugs may be a solution to that. What's up with Arizona's new law? Should TIF be deported for having an Italian extension?

Anyone watched Machete yet? I liked and didn't like it at the same time. It was weird, but surprisingly also the good type of weird at the same time (I don't ever have those feelings). I did love all the immigrant pride in it. Viva la Raza!

There's a load of possiblities with that one. Though I'm willing to bet most of the Americans would revolt eventually.

If we all shared and respected one another, 100% of the world's problems will be solved. Useless pointing that out, really. Anyway, does anyone really know why religious extremists are at war against a political state?

Since you're not really asking what you want... :razz: Don't go there.

80 isn't fast in miles neither, unless motorway is some weird way of saying suburban street. :wink:

Why do you want to join the army?

Also change the line spacing from 1 (single) to something like 1.2, 1.3 so it's not double spaced but not technically single spaced either.

Harsh.