The whole point of talking about Apemeken is saying .. it is possible to impact a community. Jagex obviously has the biggest chance of doing so, but we also do. I actually think Tip.it has an impact on the community.. I understand this, which was the reason for my comment. "All people can do is try to have a positive impact on others themselves. You can't try to shape and form others without a backlash." You can attempt to impact the community, just don't expect it to be easy. I think Tip.It has a better chance of positively impacting the community than Jagex does, unless they shape up a ridiculous amount.