TheAncient

RSOF prices on ely are now around 850-950M, so street has definitely dropped. probably after the next GE update it might even make sense to sell ely at max if you own one, since that 30M profit might even be the only you'll get after it crashes...

EDIT: wrong thread. sorry

If you look at this from the "best economic choice for the greater good" perspective: Depends on what those anti-crash crashers would do in their time if they weren't crashing. In other words what's the opportunity cost of them anti-crashing? Usually it's low because they're noobs and they don't really produce anything of worth

How did I not hear about this! Lol. I woulda wore full Armadyl, SOL, Arcane necklace and shield, Infinity boots and tore them up. Works at SW at least. :P. Lol... that's barely enough, most of the people there had some kind of pvp gear on. I had full stat & zuriel top/bottom/staff... everyone was 138 too lol. The key to winning was blood barrage, at the end of the day

Competition for a Div or Yellow Phat at street, winner at pits gets it I got 13th out of 400. SO CLOSE FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU I ran out of super restores... took 1 too many super prayers and 1 too few super restores. GOD I COULD HAVE HAD IT SFKJLSFJLSLFJLKSFKL Also got 138 Cb today This was also my setup for today...

Killistealing is generally not efficient unless you can guarantee that you get most of the kills... which usually isn't the the case because people overestimate the proportion of kills they steal.

At the end of the day, people will QQ

Spectral has been dropping because of dungeoneering (eagle eye kiteshield) and saturation of the market. It will likely stay in the 50M range

KS spec is better for 1v1 safe pvp.

wow this thread is very circular haha. reminds me of the crashing thread http://forum.tip.it/topic/273034-an-elitists-view-on-crashing/

Easier to ask on a forum :P plus i'd be limited in sample size if it's just me testing beause i dont want to do it for too long

"efficiency = laziness" looks like rationalization to me

Are you sure mage pray doesnt help you in pvp? I think it might...

Tormented Demons; Yes. PvP; Apparently not. Wait wtf... seriously?? someone want to verify this?

Random question: so does Mage protection actually reduce damage?

However, we are talking mainly about PvP, so special restores are irrelevant. Korasi->Dclaws requires risking 28.5m, and the Vigour itself. I'd say it's still balanced, quite well thought out. Safe Pvp isn't a small part of the game... a lot of people do pits, clan wars, castle wars, etc. You can't just ignore it.

You can use spec restores in non-pvp worlds. = 2x Spec. You can also do Korasi+Dclaws using a Vigour ring.

What ring setting and bind setup?

Like I said, it's not always about healing per spec; it's sometimes more important to look at how much inventory space you look at per spec. I don't even own an SGS

I would semi agree, A melee fighter can use protect from magic, while a mage can use protect from melee, BUT a melee fighter can also pack a good ranger set in his/her inventory, while a mage would not have enough food if he filled his iny with full melee gear and runes and food. (edit) oh yeah thats right there is something called a beast of burden these days #-o salamanders ftw..... Doesn't matter. You can carry a full inventory of brews. Even a yak full of brews. Thanks to soul split, if you don't know how to hybrid, I can beat you without food (assuming I also have melee gear, or tribrid gear). I've done this against several level 138's using a full inventory of brews. Actually, even if you're a perfect range/melee hybrid, I can still beat you with less food than you. Magic is just that powerful.

For pvp: Magic, by very very far. Why: -- Totally controls a battle -- Most accurate, even against high magic defense -- Blood barrage -- Miasmic barrage -- Veng is crucial for KO's -- Ice barrage is the single most important aspect of pvp. With it you can set up situations where your opponent basically cannot hit you at all, or you can heal up to max whenever you want. -- A good mage can even beat a ranger, and without much difficulty If you disagree, please fight me. I will show you exactly how powerful magic is. A good mager using only magic could easily beat a person using any other single combat style.

May not have KO potential, but useful when food is off, or comboing (I'm pretty sure you could stack a barrage on top of a MLB spec and then immediately transition to KS spec) Even hitting a 200-150-450 is very deadly.

Just realized something... Magic longbow sighted spec also has 100% accuracy, and its spec bar only costs 35%. You can almost do 4 of these specs in a row with spec restore (if you get a leech spec in between hits, you can do 4); normally you can do 3. It has 6-speed. Alternatively, you can combo with KS and then MLB(S) for 2 hits with 100% acc. Does this seem at all useful?

This brings up a good point. I don't understand obsession with exact calculations. Heuristics is valid - we only need a close enough approximation. We don't know much about RS mechanics so there's no point in trying to find exact formulas rather than ones which are 99% accurate.

This is exactly the kind of close-mindedness I wanted to confront by making this post. For pure healing, SGS is inferior; I agree. But for actual inventory space or money saved per spec, SGS is comparable. SGS is also useful partially as a spec weapon and the fact that it heals you much more immediately can make it useful for pvp and pvm.