I have recently finished alching all my fletching stuff (lvl 71) and now would like to finish raising my smithing from lvl 60 to 65, for devious minds. I am p2p, have around 1.5mill to spend and have opened most useful quests like dwarf cannon, blast furnace, port phasmis etc. My mining lvl is 67, magic 61, rc lvl 47. (ie i can mine mith, craft nats and high alch). I ahve about 500 coal, and 200 mith ores in bank, but no iron. I would like a smithing/smelting solution that is the most time efficient, and that does not lose a lot of money. I have considered smelting gold with gauntlets, but that would mean me doing family crest quest and the quest to get ring of chronos?( i dont like paying keldagrim boat dwarf for gold transport) Mining and Smelting 2722 gold would give me the lvl as well as enough gold to raise crafting, but i would have to do a lot of mining (and more on gems in shilo) to do this, and mining gets boring after a while. (but does raise lvl 51 crafting) I have also looked at cannonballs(3549 smelts), which definately allows me to break even (or profit), just buying ores and smelting etc, but that is so so slow. Anything I have missed? Gareth