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I don't know, why don't you ask them? If I were in their position, I wouldn't do it. edit : Easier prayer training is an incentive to become member. same as a better combat system.

I sure did play F2P 5 years ago, when it had less content than today. It is a cripple game compared to P2P. I never said it would not be useful for F2P, I said it wasn't useful for RS. I never told Jagex how to run their game, you are really having delusions right now. I only commented of a player rant and suggestion. made up numbers are not really a good argument. They could, I don't see why they would though. To please ungrateful players that do not pay? Don't worry, the feeling is mutual.

I don't think it shows more skills (as in better ability) but since crafting is a secondary skills, it's kinda normal that it doesn't give more. You should compare str to a gathering skill like mining or WC.

I shamelessly stooped down to your level. I started insulting you to counterattack, like a child, because I thought you would feel better to have another kid to play with. i mentionned this somewhere else, english is not my first language and I'm bound to make some grammar mistakes sometimes (thought I know I write better than most english born on these boards); thank you for correcting me, it will only improve my writing. I don't rant about everything F2P gets, I rant about what they ask a lot of times because they are like kids making a christmas wish list. I don't dictate what you guys should have or not, only giving my opinion that the main priority is to tweak the combat triangle, most other upgrades are mostly a kiddy's wish list. I really am not selfish, I want you to enjoy the game. There's just one condition, pay up. It's not that expensive, you even called it measly.

Umm what? Anybody who is ftp will have a use for this update. I remember getting from 43-60 prayer took forever in f2p because burying bones was so slow. Why dont you go ahead and get 200k experience in prayer burying big bones and tell me that it was easy and you have the will to continue doing it. Clicking on every single bone, waiting for the animation to finish and then banking and withdrawing more is extremely tedious. A bury-X option would be wecolmed by f2p as an extremely useful update that makes the skill much more convienient to train. I agree with everything you said except I'm not stupid enough to train prayer the F2P way just to feel how it's slow. Seriously, once you've played the full game, you have no reason except the inability to pay to revert to the trial game.

This is definitely not the same. I say the state of the game is perfectly fine this way : several members updates a year versus the 1-2 annual updates for F2P. What you are doing is asking for more, quit being such a cheap whinner and either upgrade to the full game or simply keep dreaming that Jagex will offert you a real complete game for free. If you don't like your updates, you really have 2 choices: pay up or quit (not some whinny semi-retirement like you try to do, man up and make up your mind!). It's also funny to see a semi retired player being so passionate about a trial game. You certainly don't know much about members because the only way an efficient player will bury bones is with brawlers and we certainly don't want a macro to do that for us when we are watching out for pkers. All other burying bones are not playing efficiently. I won' t boycott this game, why would I? I don't dictate whaf F2P should get, I only give my opinion. I don't think it's important for RS in general to add this feature. I have every right to influence others with my opinion, why couldn't I? If this 5$ is so measly, why don't you pay it? This feature wouldn not benefit RS, it would make life easier for F2P high levels, those who will never be members, those who fill the servers without contributing to the growth of the game in financial terms, the freeloaders. Don't have the arrogance to beg for more when you have a properly complete free trial game to have fun with.

Well that's twisting it a little and taking my analogy at face figure and way off topic!

Well well, Mr. cheap F2P whinner is back. here goes: Show me one post where I said Jagex should remove stuff or give less updates... I said things are perfect as they are right now with the 1-2 updates a year. If you support this thread and the one with the F2P skill capes, you are demanding more. See the contradiction here? There are ads on the main website, so yes I do contribute to these advertisements revenues. Therefore, saying all ads revenues are provided by F2P is indeed incorrect. Nothing is stopping them from implementing this except this not being a priority for their game. You already said this wouldn't take half a day, you must have experience in programming and project management because I have no idea how long that would take. I said it would dumb of Jagex to waste the annual 1-2 update on a feature like this. Stop whinning and start playing the real game where you can train prayer with the feature you ask for faster and better experience. The point I'm making is that it would not benefit me at all. I don't pay Jagex so they can improve their trial game. I'll repeat this again, I'm not against the annual 1-2 updates F2P gets. I just think this bury-x feature is not needed and should not be a priority. How many times do I need to repeat myself?

Hehe yeah this debate is really interesting. First off, I'll go back to mention that I never said the customer is always right, I said he is king. Meaning any company that wants to keep earning money has to sell out to what the customer wants. Sure they can screw them over under the table, but when the customer comes back complaining, you have to listen to him. An example : you are a customer at Starbucks and you buy something that was not really fresh and go to complain, you'll probably be listened to right? Your opinion will matter to the manager. Do you think the guy that found a sandwich in the trash bin in the back alley of a starbucks and goes in to complain will get the same listening time and compassion as the paying customer by the manager? I don't think so. I said I have no idea what these 7% revenues numbers cover. For all I know, no ones on these boards do. What I mentionned is that these ads revenues are not 100% from F2P players. There are ads on the main page and various part of the main site. Saying it covers all the wages and the server costs is a real shot in the dark. Since no one here knows those costs, I suggest we don't bring back that subject since I could say that they are making a 75% gross margin from F2P and nobody could deny this without proof.

That would be an incentive to train your woodcutting. I don't see a problem here. If yew logs skyrocket, I won't complain, I'll just woodcut. They make money off ads, which can be found on the main page (so yes even members contribue to revenues from ads) and from the game page. Last I heard, F2P was getting 1-2 updates a year for free plus all the patch notes (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that relates to the F2P world. This is from my point of view, pretty nice for a free online game. Sure you can rant, but I can also rant back. The difference is Jagex will most likely listen to members ranting than to F2Pers because the members actually pay for their services. Like mentionned in this post, these are revenues from ads, which are found on the main page that everyone go to log in, members included. Every time I go to the knowledge base, I have to bear these ads. Saying all ads revenues are attributed to F2P is incorrect. The thing is, Jagex might have said that F2P is its own game, but in the grande scheme of things, it's nothing more to them than a recruiting playground for membership. They are aware that not everybody from F2P will become members but they still need these people in-game to attract new players. To keep them playing, they give the annual 1-2 updates.

fixed. yeah ... sadly

well this shows where they are getting their money. This doesn't show if they are making a profit from F2P servers.

And you probably never will... Last I heard, Jagex is a private corporation and are not required to show their financial reports.

I know the ads cover some part of the cost, but I have no idea how much though. Your guess is as good as mine on this subject.

Yes I know, it was Quelmotz who called me, and others of course, a greedy selfish hording member. Oh I think I'm getting my money's worth, if I wasn't I wouldn't pay. I wanna make sure I still get my money's worth in the future too. Yeah my analogy was pretty bad, I admit. Of course I wouldn't pay for members content if I didn't have too, I'd be either foolish or either way too generous! F2Pers can ask for updates all they want, they'll always find a member like me to tell them to either pay up or keep dreaming. I'll never tell them to shut up, even though I mentionned earlier that a free game should be rant-free because you are not entitled to rant when you don't pay, but you are entitled to suggest though.

It's a game, if you have fun playing it, you shouldn't even ask this auestion. When you stop having fun, you should stop.

Well my whole argumentation is that this feature would provide benefits only to non members. As members, we already have this feature available to us. I agree with you that it's not a game changer and would not affect members much. What I argue about is that I'm paying Jagex for services and I want them to work on features that benefit me (aka members) , not those who enjoy the free game. I've been labeled a selfish idiot member on this thread for wanting to get my dollars worth from Jagex. How would you feel if you went to the theaters to watch a movie hat you pay for it. But everyone who has sen the trailers to it can get inside for free because "hey it's not because they saw the preview for free they could not see the whole for free too". It's a bad analogy, but like I said on the Why can' F2P have thread, seeing all the demands from F2Pers gives me the impression that they want P2P (but better!) without paying for it. This is a blantant generalisation, but it shows you how this can be interpreted.

I would use the dueling, more charges, so less switching. The ring can alos be alched when it's at (1) charge for the same amount of GP. Castle wars is also a one click bank. have fun RCing

Welcome back indeed. I thought this would be another rant about old school pking and trade limits, glad it's the exact opposite. have fun scaping.

Ohhh I get where we misunderstand each other. I was assuming Jagex would dispose of empty servers thus eliminating the cost of maintaining them. From what I understand, the revenue from ads compensate for the cost of these servers, while either providing a slight profit or a slight loss (that is attributed to publicity, in terms of accounting and business strategy). I agree that if there is a boycott and no one joins the game as F2P, that would mean a slowly death for the game. I'm pretty sure that's not what Jagex intend. What I mean is that on the short term, a boycott from paying customers is way more painful (assuming they end their membership). As for the millions lost from having empty servers, I'm also pretty sure Jagex has some competent accountants to raise the flags when they are losing too much money and dispose of the unefficient cost. That said, I agree with you with everything but the support for this idea. I would need more convincing from a member's point of view (incentive). Ohhh by the way, if they had implemented this at the same time they did offer-x and worship-x, I would have been to happy about my update to rant about this! There you go ammunitions to debate against me.

If you plan on safespotting one day, it will be useful. If you only use ranged for PVP or tanking, a fury would be better.

Thank you for pointing out my spelling errors, english is my second language and I hope I won't make those mistakes again. This was properly put in the rants forum but would have a bigger impact on the suggestion forum though. I also think it is truly a good idea for F2P, but not for paying customers as we already have that feature in-game. What I mean about the boycott is that if every F2Pers stop playing today, it would not have a big effect of the treasury of Jagex. Sure they would wonder why and start feeling uneasy because their "future" customers are not there anymore. While if every P2Pers stopped playing and paying (that's the real motive here, the money) you could bet on it that Jagex would react pretty swiftly.

You really have trouble understanding that concept... We never said we OWN the company. We said they work for us, the paying costumer. In every business, the employees work for their boss, but the bosses work for their costumers. The bosses pay their employees while the costumers pay the bosses (or owners if it helps you understand the mechanics of business). If Jagex removes a skill and 80% of their paying costumers boycott the game, let me assure you they would either re-instore it or add something to appease their consummers. Just like they did with trade limits and the G.E. Once you get a job, you'll understand that the costumers are kings and while they can't control how a business is run or what it does, they can influence it enough to provoke a reaction that will be in the costumer's favor. If every F2P were to boycott the game, I'm pretty sure it would not have that much effect on the revenue of Jagex. The real effect comes from what paying costumers think and how they vote with their cash.

Circus, quick once a week XP Tears is nice, but getting below 100 tears makes me mad. The jade vine mini game is nice for slayer and farming.

This really proves my point that you are not intelligent enough to be allowed near a computer. Yes this has truly gotten way out of topic, it usually do when someone is so wrong he can't "relise" it (see I'm using baby words like you). I'm glad Pika showed up, I was starting to feel like a kindergarden employee.