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anyone else wanna argue? Only requirement: not having experienced lack of oxygen at birth.

That's it, I'm done arguying with this child. Anyone up for a good debate between people who can actually play on a non quick-chat world? I learned advanced accounting and business management at my college and I learned the numbers of weeks in a year when I was around 5. Looks like you haven't reached that point yet. Good luck, I hear multiplication tables are a pain!

Yeah, your IQ is sky high. I think not. I have finished college but I think I may have minor case of peter pan syndrome. :D You aslo don't know me so you can't really make assumptions about me, I could say you never went to primary school and your an alcoholic. Ok, we get 1 update per week. There are 51 weeks in a year (52 on a leap year). The math kind of speaks for itself. Remember I said atleast 1 update, with the last update there was the pub and the monster. mauranius, thank you : (TIP. never try sleep deprivation! -.- ) first of all, there are always 52 weeks in a year... college education my [wagon]. Don't worry about my IQ, I still am wondering why I take the time to stoop to your intelligence level. Look at the Jagex news and tell me how many of those are updates... you are definitely clueless if you think we are getting updates every week. the math speaks for itself when you are using correct variables which you are not. It's not difficult to make assumptions about someone being dumb when they are not thinking with logic.

I know it would improve gameplay, I was not debating that. I was mostly pointing out that this specific feature, as useful as it would be to F2Pers probably isn't (a guess of mine) and shouldn't ( my opinion on the subject) be a priority for Jagex. For them to be consequent though on their claim that F2P is a game on its own, they should add a highscore for you guys. Or at least make the highscore with search features with XP and such.

Yeah it's not because I mine besides you that I want to talk to you. All these people would probably be pretty annoyed if I engaged them in a conversation when they are in line at mcdonald's... they'd probably be : what do you want? I don't know you and stop bothering me!

@ Mauriniaus Excellent post I might say. The suggestion for a storage box for ex members is actually an excellent idea. One I would support 100%. As for the countless tweaks and such, since the beginning of the year, we usually get 2 updates per month. If you count a quest as an update and the dozen features in the patch notes as several updates then yeah, we are getting at least 100 updates a year. Then so are F2P for the same point of view. As for the revenues from ads, I know that a great majority comes from F2Pers, I was just pointing out that you can't say it is 100%. revenants are indeed way overpowered and the combat triangle is not balanced at all, these should be corrected before a bury-x feature. From my perspective, F2P is a training ground for P2P and a game for those who do not have the means and time to play the full game. I would not be angry at all if Jagex started implementing F2P updates only, I'd be puzzled at first and probably would re consider my membership if the trend continued. I love this game and who be pretty pissed off if the company making it started givinig too much attention to the players that don't pay to maintain it.

I don't know what a meme is it is just something I picked up from college (when I used to go I mean). You are just nit picking with they don't contribute 100% of the ads. Jesus. I don't know what game your playing but runescape isn't updated twice a month. Memebers get atleast 1 update a week thats 51/52 updates a year, a quater of 51 is 12.75 so even with 10 updates a year they are still not even getting a quater of our updates and your pissed at the number 5 or 6!?!?! Now your selfishness is really coming through, isn't it. A meme is a childsih behavior someone picks up from the internet, that wall thing is a perfect example. I seriously doubt you ever had college education, unless you are acting like a kid on purpose. 51/52 updates a year?? are you serious? You either are clueless or you seriously can't keep up with updates lately. If you count adding servers, letters from the postbag and the players gallery as updates, then you really are not worth arguying against.

I think you got it backwards... raw material skills are being screwed by combat in the sense that you can get some raw materials as a drop, meaning you have no need to skill to gather you materials.

I knew I was arguying with a child even before I saw you use the Wall meme. I never said the ads that members have to view contribute to a lot. I just said that you can't argue that the revenues from ads are a 100% contribution from F2Pers. They contribute towards the game by having ads on the top of their screen... and that entitle them to a qurter of members update? We currently have 2 updates a months. I saw some of you throw the 5-6 updates a year around. I could call that greed also.

I don't know, why don't you ask them? If I were in their position, I wouldn't do it. edit : Easier prayer training is an incentive to become member. same as a better combat system.

I sure did play F2P 5 years ago, when it had less content than today. It is a cripple game compared to P2P. I never said it would not be useful for F2P, I said it wasn't useful for RS. I never told Jagex how to run their game, you are really having delusions right now. I only commented of a player rant and suggestion. made up numbers are not really a good argument. They could, I don't see why they would though. To please ungrateful players that do not pay? Don't worry, the feeling is mutual.

I don't think it shows more skills (as in better ability) but since crafting is a secondary skills, it's kinda normal that it doesn't give more. You should compare str to a gathering skill like mining or WC.

I shamelessly stooped down to your level. I started insulting you to counterattack, like a child, because I thought you would feel better to have another kid to play with. i mentionned this somewhere else, english is not my first language and I'm bound to make some grammar mistakes sometimes (thought I know I write better than most english born on these boards); thank you for correcting me, it will only improve my writing. I don't rant about everything F2P gets, I rant about what they ask a lot of times because they are like kids making a christmas wish list. I don't dictate what you guys should have or not, only giving my opinion that the main priority is to tweak the combat triangle, most other upgrades are mostly a kiddy's wish list. I really am not selfish, I want you to enjoy the game. There's just one condition, pay up. It's not that expensive, you even called it measly.

Umm what? Anybody who is ftp will have a use for this update. I remember getting from 43-60 prayer took forever in f2p because burying bones was so slow. Why dont you go ahead and get 200k experience in prayer burying big bones and tell me that it was easy and you have the will to continue doing it. Clicking on every single bone, waiting for the animation to finish and then banking and withdrawing more is extremely tedious. A bury-X option would be wecolmed by f2p as an extremely useful update that makes the skill much more convienient to train. I agree with everything you said except I'm not stupid enough to train prayer the F2P way just to feel how it's slow. Seriously, once you've played the full game, you have no reason except the inability to pay to revert to the trial game.

This is definitely not the same. I say the state of the game is perfectly fine this way : several members updates a year versus the 1-2 annual updates for F2P. What you are doing is asking for more, quit being such a cheap whinner and either upgrade to the full game or simply keep dreaming that Jagex will offert you a real complete game for free. If you don't like your updates, you really have 2 choices: pay up or quit (not some whinny semi-retirement like you try to do, man up and make up your mind!). It's also funny to see a semi retired player being so passionate about a trial game. You certainly don't know much about members because the only way an efficient player will bury bones is with brawlers and we certainly don't want a macro to do that for us when we are watching out for pkers. All other burying bones are not playing efficiently. I won' t boycott this game, why would I? I don't dictate whaf F2P should get, I only give my opinion. I don't think it's important for RS in general to add this feature. I have every right to influence others with my opinion, why couldn't I? If this 5$ is so measly, why don't you pay it? This feature wouldn not benefit RS, it would make life easier for F2P high levels, those who will never be members, those who fill the servers without contributing to the growth of the game in financial terms, the freeloaders. Don't have the arrogance to beg for more when you have a properly complete free trial game to have fun with.

Well that's twisting it a little and taking my analogy at face figure and way off topic!

Well well, Mr. cheap F2P whinner is back. here goes: Show me one post where I said Jagex should remove stuff or give less updates... I said things are perfect as they are right now with the 1-2 updates a year. If you support this thread and the one with the F2P skill capes, you are demanding more. See the contradiction here? There are ads on the main website, so yes I do contribute to these advertisements revenues. Therefore, saying all ads revenues are provided by F2P is indeed incorrect. Nothing is stopping them from implementing this except this not being a priority for their game. You already said this wouldn't take half a day, you must have experience in programming and project management because I have no idea how long that would take. I said it would dumb of Jagex to waste the annual 1-2 update on a feature like this. Stop whinning and start playing the real game where you can train prayer with the feature you ask for faster and better experience. The point I'm making is that it would not benefit me at all. I don't pay Jagex so they can improve their trial game. I'll repeat this again, I'm not against the annual 1-2 updates F2P gets. I just think this bury-x feature is not needed and should not be a priority. How many times do I need to repeat myself?

Hehe yeah this debate is really interesting. First off, I'll go back to mention that I never said the customer is always right, I said he is king. Meaning any company that wants to keep earning money has to sell out to what the customer wants. Sure they can screw them over under the table, but when the customer comes back complaining, you have to listen to him. An example : you are a customer at Starbucks and you buy something that was not really fresh and go to complain, you'll probably be listened to right? Your opinion will matter to the manager. Do you think the guy that found a sandwich in the trash bin in the back alley of a starbucks and goes in to complain will get the same listening time and compassion as the paying customer by the manager? I don't think so. I said I have no idea what these 7% revenues numbers cover. For all I know, no ones on these boards do. What I mentionned is that these ads revenues are not 100% from F2P players. There are ads on the main page and various part of the main site. Saying it covers all the wages and the server costs is a real shot in the dark. Since no one here knows those costs, I suggest we don't bring back that subject since I could say that they are making a 75% gross margin from F2P and nobody could deny this without proof.

That would be an incentive to train your woodcutting. I don't see a problem here. If yew logs skyrocket, I won't complain, I'll just woodcut. They make money off ads, which can be found on the main page (so yes even members contribue to revenues from ads) and from the game page. Last I heard, F2P was getting 1-2 updates a year for free plus all the patch notes (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that relates to the F2P world. This is from my point of view, pretty nice for a free online game. Sure you can rant, but I can also rant back. The difference is Jagex will most likely listen to members ranting than to F2Pers because the members actually pay for their services. Like mentionned in this post, these are revenues from ads, which are found on the main page that everyone go to log in, members included. Every time I go to the knowledge base, I have to bear these ads. Saying all ads revenues are attributed to F2P is incorrect. The thing is, Jagex might have said that F2P is its own game, but in the grande scheme of things, it's nothing more to them than a recruiting playground for membership. They are aware that not everybody from F2P will become members but they still need these people in-game to attract new players. To keep them playing, they give the annual 1-2 updates.

fixed. yeah ... sadly

well this shows where they are getting their money. This doesn't show if they are making a profit from F2P servers.

And you probably never will... Last I heard, Jagex is a private corporation and are not required to show their financial reports.

I know the ads cover some part of the cost, but I have no idea how much though. Your guess is as good as mine on this subject.

Yes I know, it was Quelmotz who called me, and others of course, a greedy selfish hording member. Oh I think I'm getting my money's worth, if I wasn't I wouldn't pay. I wanna make sure I still get my money's worth in the future too. Yeah my analogy was pretty bad, I admit. Of course I wouldn't pay for members content if I didn't have too, I'd be either foolish or either way too generous! F2Pers can ask for updates all they want, they'll always find a member like me to tell them to either pay up or keep dreaming. I'll never tell them to shut up, even though I mentionned earlier that a free game should be rant-free because you are not entitled to rant when you don't pay, but you are entitled to suggest though.

It's a game, if you have fun playing it, you shouldn't even ask this auestion. When you stop having fun, you should stop.