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well 0 to max is different then what n0valyfe did a few years ago someone did max 2376 in 155 days and with effigies it can def be done quicker! so thats not even a year at 10 hrs a day... 2496 adds maybe 2-3 months when u include warped? but consider difficulty of teams on lower lvls + team quality going down with pro keyers leaving dg?

was thinking of getting skirt but bound legs its much easier to get legs than get a skirt as well reason people get platebody is its balanced for keying can take it off for when ur using hexhunter. bloodnecklace is good for str bonus and the healing a very bad 3rd bind but can be a good alternative to legs i die alot less to keying with primal legs+plate compared to just plate however shades are still deadly!! and prayer is still needed. platebody bound with hex is just cuz more defence when not using hex. chainbody really sucks compared to a plate defence wise. i saw skiller703 with sag body tho just most dont mainly range..

dg 110-200m is much more enjoyable than cooking however 1-99 dg is a pretty difficult skill well i did it b4 occults but still its hard to get access to good teams at that lvl... warped came when i was 115 and i had access to the good yummy exp ;P tho im not in a rush for 200m im just doing it as it comes lol. also 120-200m dg u have benifit of friends or others to help u and everytime u do a map its a different expirience. but 99-200m cook its just watching videos or w/e while u cook =p

I write kinda weird when I'm tired, but I don't really see Serpenttine as a big threat, because he doesn't seem to put in the same amount of time compared to other players. he puts in the time and is good but i dont see him training random skills all the way to 200m :P he does whatever he wants :)

before dungeoneering 2376 i thought sc was best minigame when n0valyfe was the beast when i smelted steel bars for a whip! buying and selling sharks in world 2 for 99 cooking

108m dg exp now omg them friends! :P

It's not about the particular items but the fact of efficiency(and really, sure, thrones are costly, but when money grows on trees, they are the most efficient method). If you can't understand comparisons like that no wonder how you'd not understand how mindless making rune platebodies is(particularly going for 200m xp). Making rune platebodies is around 28 gp/xp and rune 2h's are 7 gp/xp, meaning that you'll need 4x the money, 4x the time of moneymaking for around 30% faster xp. And please, don't try to be as stupid to say that making 5.6B in f2p takes no time. The ge doesn't make offers for you, doesn't let you put new offers in(and doesn't plan for you) while you are training and whatever else, not to mention, you can't make ANY money while actually smithing(2 spots for rune bars and platebodies). Fact is, For any realistic purpose, smithing runite 2h's and platelegs is much more efficient, particularly in free to play. xpx is right u gotta consider if the time spent making money outweighs the time spent smithing also what else can u use the money on spend 3b extra or w/e on smithing that 3b could go to prayer!!!! in f2p which is the most expensive skill..in members that 3b could go to prayer herb cons ect... and zarfot said 3b is like at least 3-5months of merch in f2p it would prob be 4x that??

well that is my answer to "how do u train prayer" i just say "oh i got it when it was 80m..." anyway yes new content comes its hard for people to understand now that granite isnt the way to mine anymore and everyone just mines gold... its hard for people to comprehend that dungeoneering goes to 120... alot of people wish they could go back to rs 2006 or rs pre dungeon but u really cant cuz its here to stay and most updates are for the better 2nd article - yeh taking a break from the game changes things as well...u come back and ur like "woah new stuff" taking a few months off = new quest to do and stuff to try but also u miss small changes which sometimes make all the difference when u come back.

I find that rather mean to be honest... really it's the attitude and knowledge that makes a person good at dg, not skill level itself. Though I understand why you guys may want 3 binds only... i do agree people with good attitudes that dont complain so much and people that are awake enough and know fast methods not just how many hrs sinked in to dg but in my expirience less then 100 or 105 expect fast dgs for nothing while 110+ play for fun or to get 120 and know what it takes to get a good dg... tho a half asleep team of 120s is worse than a team of awake lvl 90s :).

Play with friends, or form a permanent team (people in your cc or friends are very good for this). You will have a MUCH better time dging with people you trust. agree friends or dg aquantances (people u dged with b4) are best to team with...my fastest floors and more enjoyable are with people i know are pro dgers people do talk about thier good floors too people talk about the floors were everyone proed through and less than 25 mins. some people are more agressive in getting dg friends i only added a few people but they are some that are like at end of every good dg ask everyone to add :).

yeh we were talking it may surpass cooking but then in a couple months the skill will be more slower to train cuz lack of people.

most of the hardcore rsers just like to play the game and prob wont hardcore rs skills they dont enjoy.... like people hardcore 200m dg go to real rs andjust do w/e they feel like and then when all the skills they like are 200med a wall is hit or people realize "wtf am i doing here still playing..." its not really the nolifer comment but people do what they like hardcore and then chill usually even with high hrs

hmm....ill join jd more than zarfot ^.^

naw i decided to do 3 dungeon maps a day people that need 120 hiran sej ccy jd losing stonewall

gratz on primal plate stonewalleet 2h next pic

I find it better to have a gate down and run with the GGS. That way if I run into a GD I can drop the GGS and continue with the other doors. gating home is a good trick tbh for doors at base also if u gate a semifar key door that most likely wont be a de then u can have ggs for gds and drop it instead of finding a gd to gate ifthe gd is close to gd teams doing u can mark it and call the exact location but far dead end doors shuld be gated by other players as if u gate a key door prob shuld be ready to break that if u find a more important part for ur team to do . gating where thiers multiple paths quick gate helps alot id say make sure that u pick up ggs and hae it in invent more often so when u find a gd u dont really have to gate it come back get ggs then come back to gate. - drop ggs if thiers alot of paths for u to do run with ggs if whole group is at gd or joining group at gd. tho often i key and dont have any gate down. i really like the term game carrier - these are the people that i like in my teams they turn dgs to 20 mins these people open as much as possible w/o the keyer if no gds and sometimes complete a whole area of dg as group - gating and transporting group to places they needa be also people that come to gds quickly are good teamates as well compared to "gd still not done?" people that make everyone ragers or make everyone alter early is good as well as people that drop food on gt for keyer or base it or at least give more than 2 food if keyer asks for food.. a good keyer checks on their team often andm akes sure they know what the paths on map are.

Gertjaars no longer plays fyi. yeh lol most people that play intend to quit or stop exp grinding after awhile...

eh some teams may take him..i heard alot of people get in and dont get kicked aas people forget to check tho lemar said dging with under 100 non friends ... will get u kicked from clan i instakick under 100 90% of the time that they sneak on my team they say "oh i never get kicked" often times people just make thier team fast or get thier +1 fast lol...

i enjoy kicking people under 100 but i hate when 110+ people are [developmentally delayed]....

moneymaking via just skilling is dead ;S reason - too many have 99s something needs multiple 99s to even be a good moneymaker.. almost 1k have all 99s tbh bossing accually takes focus/skill..and frost takes some patients at least... also imo effigies if u couldnt get them if u couldnt open them would be exclusive content or if they couldnt be assisted....but as they are now they are just helping people get levels that would be more exclusive dungeoneering 120 is a pretty exclusive content...u have to make netwoekr with othe high lvl dgneers and be decent at dungeoneering to get that up.. but its pretty damn fast almost 100 people have 120 now..

i plan on playing alot less----dungeoneering took quite alot of gametime/staying up later because i was teaming with people in timezones way different than eastern. but i need to finish up all quest(the few i didnt do cuz i was dungeoneering) all diaries(ill do a few task whenever im bored tbh) need to find a good sc clanchat maybe do some smithing crafting fletching with the tools if i play that for fun really enjoyed sc b4 dungeoneering i will also train str by slay and frost dragons and some more dungeoneering those 2 skills are the only ones i see myself getting 200m in only boss i enjoy is soloing armadyl on occasion may train cook/fm casually...

well i was like 92 con 93 craft when dg came out i got 99 con for "fake maxed" on may 12th and 99 dungeoneerin on june 25th and now i finally got lvl 120 dungeoneering :) 2496 total rate :) heres a pic of fake max dates of 99s 1.)agil july 2007 2.)cook august 2007 3.)hunt nov 2007 4.)str feb 2008 5.)attack march 2008 6.) hp march 2008 7.)def may 2008 8.)firemaking july 2008 9.)slayer august 2008 10.) woodcutting nov 2008 11.)pray jan 2009 12.)rc april 2009 13.)range april 2009 14.) summon august 2009 15.) herb jan 2010 16.)magic jan 2010 17.)fish jan 2010 18.)farm feb 2010 19.)thief march 2010 20.)smith april 2010 21.) fletching april 2010 22.)mining april 2010 23.)crafting may 2010 24.)construction may 2010 heres my 4 binded a log

ugh i keep seeing soulgazers...may accually bind a hex since 3.36m til 120 but never got a bow for myself...only one time a teamate got it..

cooking and fm are boring, range i think would be fun to get 200m in and it benefits hp as well. Well, it should be at least proportional to p2p since there aren't any fantastic methods for range in f2p, and there are relatively few 200m range players compared to cooking and firemaking. Smithing should be relatively fast smithing adamant platebodies in p2p - as fast as members, actually, and fairly good exp when compared to cooking and firemaking. Unless I'm missing a powerranging method available in f2p, it seems very odd that it's the most 200m'ed in f2p when much faster skills are available. people enjoy it i guess? i dont think f2p players have the same efficiency need that p2p players have...

pro yeh as for keying it just takes practice tbh some keyers key in such a way that they dont need anyone to really gate and gate just makes it easier others make everyone gate even the slightest door lol yeh an awake group of players calling doors is better than people that dont tell u nothing