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i keep seeing soulgazers and no bow lol ! oh well i dont want it anyway !

when i look at someone like rela rela5 (aka dark lust) whos is the #1 dunger (well hes #1 dunger - a diving spirit shield) its no surprise why he became #1 people look at his 2k total and bad skills and thnk. how does he dung? honestly if i was the keyer and we had 4 people like him, theres no surprise why the go so fast if hes a non keyer, players like him make the keyer so much faster because they have no skills, so in a way him having bad stats was an advantage since he doesnt key the ideal team would either be 5x maxed, or 1 high and 4 low. basicly if ur maxed ur forced to dung with 4 other maxed or ull slow things down, if your low total its an advantage on the average dung team it sucks but thats the way it is lol well id say if ur maxed one-2 of ur nonkeyers need to also be maxed. someone with no skills may lower pot door frequency not sure tho..i wish 100+ were more rare..

under a month Want to bet? No way it's going to be with one month only. Warped just came out. The xp rates are much higher, and the people with 200m atm did a huge chunck of their xp without warped floors. I would say that a month or so would be an accurate guess. At max prestige, you can now get like 300k+ an hour xp rates. Dungeoneering is a fast skill once you get 119+ hell ya... u can get 4m a day with a nolifing perm team or 2m a day with randoms tbh and now people make floors in a row teams...

dg might become the new cooking for new maxed players people will max then get 200m dgneering me and my friend were talking and decided the exp isnt that important after 120 as levels dont matter but what if u still want to dgneer forfun the skilll is same speed or higher than cooking.... basically getting 120 takes u over halfway to 200m exp....and if uve been dging with friends that whole time would be bad to just stop dging also dg doesnt feel like skilling to me... if noone went for 200m dg then that would mean people only do f60 for 3-4 days....and never get to enjoy 4 binds... also once u get used to dging....its hard to leave! This. Dg is one of the only things I want to do in RS right now. I agree, I think having to get to maxed level 120 or 104m Xp to get the full 4 binds and max prestige and THEN only can you enjoy the skill properly. After that I dont think there is anypoint in stopping until 200m, or at least it will be very hard to tear yourself away. Dunging with the same people everyday who may not be the same levl as you aswell, who then become your friends that youll want to help in get 120. Imo Dung is a great skill(Possibly the best) and people who say it isnt just havent played/trained it properly. yeh i just got max prestige and im loving it. i promised some friends id help them get 120 but once they get 120 i may not go on unless they go on too ..

dg might become the new cooking for new maxed players people will max then get 200m dgneering me and my friend were talking and decided the exp isnt that important after 120 as levels dont matter but what if u still want to dgneer forfun the skilll is same speed or higher than cooking.... basically getting 120 takes u over halfway to 200m exp....and if uve been dging with friends that whole time would be bad to just stop dging also dg doesnt feel like skilling to me... if noone went for 200m dg then that would mean people only do f60 for 3-4 days....and never get to enjoy 4 binds... also once u get used to dging....its hard to leave!

Well, most games are aimed towards the 12-16 year old players, and I think even Runescape is too. And I can even see some adults falling for it. A lot of games have adult players in mind, runescape being the exception is aimed for 12 year olds, which a lot of us started when we were 12-13 and stuck around til were adult players Runescape is not aimed for 12-year-olds. In real life I knew of some kids as young as 8 years old playing. Usually they would see their older siblings playing and would join as well. At that age they aren't ashamed of RS and tend to recruit their friends to play as well. It shocked me at first when I saw this little kid controlling a char that was fighting in t'zahar especially because he had decent gear. I did find it funny that their dad called the game "run" "escape". I do think RS does crossover to a few different age groups though because if you just want to chat there is that feature or if you just want to skill or just fight. Well, when i was 9 or 10 i was recruited into RS by one of my friends as well, its been a recurring thing since then (and even before) lol. yeh i found the game at 15 and didnt tell anyone - but even in hs thier was people that played it in comp lab...in college i only saw one person that played it....i was 138 with 14 99s they 105 with no 99s tho they were suprised a girl with 138 :) lol

It kind of depends on the person really. Yesterday I had a teammate make everyone the highest platebodies they could wear, while helping out with guardian doors and cooking us a ton of food. Didn't brag about his skills once and was a great player. On another note, I've also finally gotten the hang of doing the mercenary rooms now and although they are slow to get past at least I'm not dieing with each one I encounter. :thumbup: Also people who take all the food and then yell at you for not running in to kill the boss when you're almost dead make me mad. <_< they can put focus to making ragers instead with ore but i dont mind people basing food...it helps alot if everyones not completely outa food when boss is 1/4-1/2 hp... necro and kalger usually only time this is problem tho ;O

That sounds exciting. I would be open for that, and I could remain with 3bo for slow times of day and times when I can't find a team with you. I agree that levels don't say much. There is 1 level 120 dger in specific who is notoriously bad. Does HER name start with a G lol? Ye, I know people who are 100+ and suck. Its about playing smart TBH, thinking about where you gate, not leaving keys, not standing around, (clear for mod, plant lyco/wintergrip, make an altar, etc) Saggy body isn't as useful. With a plate, you pray mage, and are safe from range/melee. Saggy body mage still hits. Its just better to pray mage TBH. agreed alot of high lvl dgers (maybe including me idk......) just have good friends that take them and dont care what they do in the map. someone said keying and nonkeying is 2 diffferent skills and i agree it takes alot of memory to key compared to nonkeying.. i got 97 w/o keying one map at all and i didnt key for good teams til around 105 or 106 and its much different when ur running every door on map compared to others gating every door on map.

ouch i never offer to key i never join random teams i love keying even tho i suck at it and usually make own i join friends teams and people that i know are good or have a rep of being good.

cc is pro :) needs more people!! l2dg join it about dg lvl imo..... higher dg = spent more time dging some people 90-98 i think try hard to be good and get into teams and then once people have a bunch of people they just dg however they feel like..genearlly learning to key i think 100-110 start to become expireinced keyers so care more about speed ect and then 110-120 are more for fun and usually pretty exprieinced at keying thiers kinda a cap on speed if ur doing 20-25 min maps constant thiers not much way u can get much faster no matter what ur dg lvl. tho a 95 dgneer that got it in 117 is prob worse than a 95 that got it through a coordinated perm team.

The first thing they should do in such situation is to gate doors that aren't gated yet. If there's none, they can start killing boss, farm herbs or mine prome ores for bloodragers etc. Killing non-gd monsters is very low priority imo. since no ml it is id say gatedoors > herb> bloodragers > fish > kill random u use more food nd prayer killing nongds than u get back. pre ml killing nongds was higher priority as deep npc cap verse minor npc cap could be differenc betweeen a 25 and a 50 min dg...

hmm i wanna try out duo on high prestige but i do 1-29 c1 and like them all in a row..if i do some duo it messes it up lol trio could be option while looking for teamates too

idk 90+ and hooded now isnt a sign that someone is good compared to 90+ during abandoned... even 100+ suck sometimes tbh adding people that are good is best way and omg 6m exp til i can f60 which could also make it easier to find 58 and 59 :o

lol thats why when i pty with my friend he promotes one of the maxed people to key a group of avg skiller is better for an avg skilled keyer as the doors will scale instead of 90-99 everything... tho good keyers with avg skills could lead the maxed players to the doors effectively.

when jagex puts monos or merchs in the begging >.> when puzzles in begging and one way. when the whole dg is gds i get bad maps :(( when my teamates are dumb asses and make armor whole map.....

all the iceyfloor bosses i think would be a pain also thiers ice sliding puzzle..i heard 22 min icey large and 37 min icey large..id like to try it one day lol just its still better to do c1. i done f12 and f18 5:5 large b4 tho pre warped werent too bad exp.

wasnt much a fan of tank for keying i either forgot to swich/didnt have a shield but when i used it it was helpful in saving food and stuff. i key on zerker just cuz i get gd only way alot

yah thats why i stopped at 100 for abandoned... but when occults came out i saw people just get 99 like flies. some people got 110+ w/ abandoned......... for occults i was planning on 111 but i went to 115 instead lol...people that stopped 109-111 got a big advantage and are blastign through those lvl i just played it for fun and to aim for maxed total. but yeh 111-119 is a huge speedup compared to doing that during occult 85k per map verse 140k per map also less c1ing

200m dg perm teaming is one of the faster skills it went from like 1m exp nolifing to 2-3m exp nolifing to 3m+ nolifing

But sometimes the mono spawns 4 133 shades at once, and once you let it die, it spawns level 67s and 90s after you reactivate it. Weird huh? But that mono will later on be almost guaranteed to spawn another 133 shade or two at some point. There are a fair number I've found that can spawn between 60ish and 133s, and then harder ones that won't spawn anything below 111s. And then there are noob ones that spawn 30ish to 111 at max, and ultra noob ones that never spawn over level 11. I've never seen a mono first spawn 133s and then a later spawn not have a single 133, I don't think. yeh its like that ...if it has 133 its not gunna suddenly spwan lvls 2s next round if it has lvl 2s wont be 133 next round but some start w 1 lvl l50 then en up having 133 :S

76k f1 85k f11 100k f30 :P shelf was the one that did 76k for f1 people mess around on them for fun but they arent rlly worth it for longterm exp just cuz ur getting triple that for the high floors

Personally I've been dying more on abandoned than occults or warped. Geomancer's prayer drain attack hits through solo gatestone teleport. He has massive defense that makes hexhuntering unviable unless bloodragered about 5-10 times. shadowforger still has the greatest knockout potential out of all the bosses. Bulwark beast is still a pain to take down, especially due to my lack of armor with hexhunter. early bosses are simple and straightforward, but they're also brutal for the same reason. They're so simple it's almost impossible to exploit them. Necromancer is easy to solo with only some cosmics, prayer, with no food, since I have a hexhunter. He's even easier with a team. Y'k lagor only requires ~50-70 prayer and no food with a proper team. Runebound is duoable, especially with his prayer glitch now. He goes down in under 45 seconds even with duo. Gravecreeper is super weak to bloodragers, and doesn't KO me as easily as say, Bal'lak. Mostly because his damage puddles are always in the same place Skeletal trio can be lured into the corner, so that the melee cannot attack you, even if you don't make binds. It's just a matter of sniping either the ranger or mage quickly. All you really need for that is bloodragers. And even that isn't necessary. I'm not sure how to do it, but apparently flesh spoiler is soloable with hex. I've never done it myself. But A Final Name has been soloing him on 5:5 these days, with great success. Teaming him is all the easier. dreadnaut is a joke. since he can be lured. He doesn't even have ranged attacks, so once he's lured, he's literally harmless. Gulega is also apparently a joke. Once again I haven't done this myself, but A Final Name has been soloing him these days to great success. Blink gives my teams trouble. Hope devourer is straightforward. Smack him with turmoil on til hes dead. He doesn't even have the knockout potential Bal'lak or shadowforger have. dunno bout the last 2 warped bosses though. But needless to say the earlier warped bosses are jokes, aside from maybe Blink. Maybe I just haven't figured him out yet. Y'lak may be time consuming as a boss, but is made up by the fact htat you don't need armor/food for him. I'd rather have him over gravecreeper tbh. gorger is a joke with a good team... kalger doesnt have insane ko potential however u do need mage and range sometimes and know how to fight him hes timeconsuming but not too bad hope devourer can ko but with ragers its so easy... pummeler is least fave boss tbh :S

yeh as a keyer its best to first get ur team at a gd and then open doors til u find another gd generally thats what makes a good key verse bad key with a good keyer its like "gt gd" "gt gd" and w/ a bad key "idk what to do" im kidna bad at this too (reason alot of my maps are slow is i let gds stack up) :P open all doors then go "k guys everything i didnt open is gd have fun!" also its best to instruct another player to solo puzzles or 100+ skill doors if u have doors to open mainly gds, mimes and levers need to be done asap and as a non keyer gd > gate doors (following paths u gated til either 1.) hard gd 2.)door keyer doesnt have key for 3.)de) (call and notify the keyer of the doors u do)> ragers > plant herbs > fish > afk > make armor

Most people only have 2 binds. So guess what, we all start out no armour. First few rooms are brutal, people horde the food, then finally some ore appears and life gets easier. My favorite part in this whole psuedo discussion/bs affair is where somebody says that fishing is good and making armour is bad. Lol... with armour you don't need to fish, food on kills is more than enough and you can stock up bob for a boss by the end. So if your a "pro", you fish/cut lumber/then cook for 5 minutes and complain about somebody taking 2 minutes to gear up. 3 binds is much more realistic, since from 1-120 almost all of your xp will be gained with 3 binds everybody i dung with has 3 binds, and its been that way since warped basicly so im not used to seeing 2 binders however i also have no armor bound, and theres a noticable differance between armor and no armor. once i bind a primal plate or saggitare body my life will be so much easier as for "ore appearing" if you dung with people who make armor thats a bad thing, i may have no armor bound but even when the dungeon ends i still will not have made any armor, if you have no armor its better to get used to it rather than taking time every dung to make some, slows the team down tho im used to it by now, i survive just fine without armor and rarely get deaths because of it (i do stupid things and die occasionaly but its not cuz of no armor bound, its just me screwing around) if you do take 2-5 minutes to prepare thats selfish to your team, your only slowing them down. this is why skilling is shunned in good clans...however mining ore for bloodragers is awsome honestly it takes focus to have no armor throughout the dg ...u cant just expect to pray mage most rooms and live tho brutes, warriors, skeles and some rangers hit high armor or not.but yeh u gotta get used to praying right thing, tele to safety quick....most people say bloods and hexes are 4th binds only. but id rather have full primal to look cool at 120. edit:yeh more 2 binders are coming to 3bo world...tho i think its best to only take friends that are under 100..ive had so many complains of 99ers skilling and sht thiers a thread on hlf about making armor in dg and it got tore apart lol its not acceptable to mine in rushes and imo fishing constantly in rushes is pretty bad as well...but the food system does kind of make it so sometimes one of ur teamates is a foodhog, always check the keyers invent if u have alot of food

ololo. Thats hilarious