Kiriyama

Yeah..Let's not forget the name itself is a reference to the film.

Everything in Debate Club is hypothetical, you idiot. Frankly, your "argument" is on the basis of "Waah! I don't want to give F2P anything." Actually wait, you only pay $5 a month, and, according to you, that's an insignificant amount, so why complain? You've been unable to suggest other solutions, or even meet the idea halfway, you don't need to agree with giving F2P the D Med, which is what you seem to be [bleep]ing about. Jr, developing a new boss for F2P would take more time than just altering the code on an existing monster, and I'd rather give them a slightly modified KBD, and have the rest of the time that would have been spent on developing your F2P boss spent working on P2P content.

Yeah, I see it as unlikely to add in a member's item as a drop, again, same reasoning as Gnomecopters, blatant advertising. Throughout all the F2P game, there is some form of advertising of P2P, some subtle, others, more obvious. (Grand Exchange, skill guides upon level up..) If anything, Jagex could add a new armour drop to the KBD, such as a helm, with the same stats as a rune helm, it would be untradeable, however, it just adds in a small, cosmetic item, that doesn't give any advantages overall, aside from looking different. If F2P is really a game in it's own right, then it should serve as a proper taster for the expansion (well, full game, since expansion packs add more content to a game, therefore, you need them for the full game.) which, at the moment, it can do, however it is missing one, rather important part, boss hunting. The highest leveled thing in F2P is Revenants, which count more as annoyances and regular monsters than bosses, and they're useless to kill anyway. The highest level monster that has any good drops is the Greater Demon in F2P, correct? Or maybe Cockroach soldiers. Anyway, the point is, the KBD would still have drops such as 100 yew logs and 100 silver ore, giving them some of it's good drops, whilst it would not be efficient to kill it for these items, it'd still be a nice bonus from time to time, since it is probably worth more than you'd use in supplies over time, not a significant amount more to make it worth killing to make a profit, but enough to cover the costs unless you die often.

Demonic, how about you actually give some reasoned argument? I'm having trouble seeing your point..

Langer, it'd be easier to deal with the matter at hand, namely the KBD and D Med becoming F2P. If you want to debate about whether all P2P items could go F2P, then start a new debate for that. Now, to get the ball rolling on this again.. I disagree with those who are more in favour of the the Mole becoming F2P. Sure, it's an easier boss, but that's the reason why I am against it. It's too easy. Sure, it'd be harder in F2P, due to lack of prayer potions and stat boosting potions, however, it's still a fairly easy boss with the F2P limitations. Of course, I'd only be in favour of giving them candles as the light source, making the tinderbox necessary. Yet, with the altar in Falador Castle now, it'd be easy to run back and forward restoring prayer. KBD, on the other hand, we'd either have to add antipoison potions to F2P (regular ones, and they can only be bought from other players) or remove his poisoning attack. The KBD would only drop big bones, no hides, and all members items as drops would be removed. Keeping the D Med P2P, and, in essence, serving as an advertisement for P2P saying "If you liked this, greater rewards and a slightly easier battle await if you upgrade for $5 per month." Actually trying a boss monster might want them to try more, which, of course, means upgrading.

And then follow it with a knee to their stomach, and their head being driven into said knee. Frankly, I'm calling BS on half this story.

Well, Sees_all, it's clearly the reason of "Waah! I pay $5 per month and I don't want F2P to get my stuff!" followed by a 3 year old's tantrum, with a few slammed doors. Langer, the reason why Gnomecopters were removed was because they wanted to remove all P2P advertising from F2P, your idea just puts that in for another month/whatever.

However, it's clearly something Jagex wouldn't want to do. Remember Gnomecopters?

Jr, stop trolling Does the KBD even count as a challenge any more? It's easily killed with the right setup. There is a world of difference between giving F2P an outdated boss, as a further taste of what is actually in P2P and something that is actually still useful. You might as well have said "Let's give them everything P2P has." because it'd have just as much standing as what you said. Yes, I am for giving F2P some older content, albeit a little modified in order to flesh out the game more, and give them a better idea of what they are missing out on, however, you're intentionally misinterpreting what I said. EDIT: Oh wait..This isn't the first time you've taken what someone says out of context.

Because it's cool to hate the mainstream now. :thumbup:

Obvious troll is obvious. Demonic, I've probably played for longer than you, and probably paid more than you too. Therefore, I should have more of a voice in this than you. Giving F2P another taste of what you get in members, namely a boss monster, is a good incentive. It gives them a challenge and essentially says "You can do this easier, and get better rewards in P2P, and there's more like this." KBD, with base equipment, no antifires, only a normal strength pot and Rune Weapons is a real challenge, and gives them a further taste of what they can get by upgrading. The whole point of F2P is to give enough, so they can sample all aspects of the game, and get an idea of what they can get if they upgrade.

Because the humour is easy to understand. The jokes are short, quick and simple. That being said, I have a somewhat love/hate relationship with Family Guy. I got put off it for a good 6+ months because some people at school (when I was still in High School) thought it was funny to repeat the same jokes over and over from it, so I just got sick of it. I've never really bothered with South Park, though I have to say Futurama is the best, I just wish there was more of it.

Nothing is the lack of everything, therefore if it lacks anything that exists, it cannot exists. For nothing to exists, that would make it something, the opposite of nothing.

And bagpipes. Don't forget bagpipes. I did forget. Forgot about haggis too. But in the end, we still have the best dialect and accent.

Well, it's been said before, it's because America is a nationality, not a race. When people commit racism, it's often not due to country of origin, yet down to differences in appearance. I've got to deal with 1 racist [bleep]er in college, and I was about ready to smack him one today, but I digress.. To the issue at hand, stereotypes about nationalities are never true, and no-one ever takes them seriously, and are often used for comedic effect. I could complain about how the Scottish are protrayed in American media, but I do not, because I actually find it pretty funny that we're seen that way, for comedic effect. I mean, do any of you really believe that I wear a kilt all the time, or any of the other stereotypes? No. In short, shut the [bleep] up about how you American's get it so hard. You're like that racist in my college, you'll try to poke fun at others, but won't take it when people do it back to you.

Or runecrafting or slayer, which are both slow to train (Though slayer is much easier to train IMO). And you lose out on profit doing that. Runecrafting and Slayer are pretty much profitable skills. 400k Slayer exp can easily make you 1m+, and 400k RC exp, well, that's quite a bit of money to lose out on. Prayer on the other hand, is a money loss skill.

Prayer.

lol thats kinda dumb tho Good job on making yourself look like an idiot... Also, this should be in Questionnaries. Well spending 18m on different colors just sounds a little extreme to me =P If its fun to do...why not? :thumbsup: Because clearly 18m is a lot to him, and is therefore, a lot to everyone else. I made mine white. I like how it looks black and white.

See the log out button? Press it, then never come back. It's pretty much the same.

If that's what makes it easy then what skill is hard? Just set a daily xp/money goal. Grats though, even though I only remember you as an [wagon] who got in a row with Stilly while dking. I did that? Must have been years ago, haven't DKed in about three years. What makes Slayer easy is that it requires little attention to actually get. I was barely paying attention, yet got 80k+ exp per day, even on college days. It's essentially a 99 combat over a slightly longer period of time. Whilst some think it's difficult for the time taken, it's not. I did it in 5 months, with college, getting 99 WC and some other, lesser skills. The fact I wasted the WGS exp on it is negated by the fact I spent over 8 days of time doing other things, instead of slaying, 50k exp being the bare minimum I aimed for daily. What makes a skill hard is how much attention that is actually required to do it. I'm currently Runecrafting with Graahks, I'm probably getting about the same amount of exp daily as I did with Slayer, perhaps I'll get more. I'd certainly say it's harder as it requires me to turn off private chat, I can't browse forums, and I can't talk on Messenger either. Granted, there is a small window in which I can speak, but that's the point, it's small. So, yeah, hard in my opinion is not the amount of time it takes, rather, how much attention the skill requires.

It's not. However, I was trying to prove my point that even the Berserker Helm is better than a Dragon Medium, therefore, your argument that many members would quit over it being given to F2P is idiotic, as we have much better alternatives.

Yeah. We need to go more. <3 Think I'm going to lean on mostly Runecrafting for money. Don't know if I'll get 99, but I'll get it somewhat high anyway.

Played the demo from the PS Store.. Hated the camera, so that, unfortunately, put me off the game. Though I somewhat enjoyed it, the camera was a major flaw for me.

Then you know idiots. The Berserker Helm just loses out slightly in Defence Bonuses, though it surpasses in Crush and has +3 strength bonus advantage. Actually, let's compare. Dragon Medium: Attack Defence Stab 0 Stab 33 Slash 0 Slash 35 Crush 0 Crush 32 Magic -3 Magic -1 Range -1 Range 34 Summoning 10 Other Strength 0 Prayer 0 Ranged Strength 0 Berserker Helm: Attack Defence Stab 0 Stab 31 Slash 0 Slash 29 Crush 0 Crush 33 Magic -5 Magic 0 Range -5 Range 30 Summoning 7 Other Strength 3 Prayer 0 Ranged Strength 0

He needs money, so how can running away give you money, think about that!? LOL FAIL. He needs to complete his clue, but Revs are in the way. Learn to read.