Since you guys seem to turn every topic into a theological discussion, and we have had several good threads locked because of complete off-topicness..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This topic is made upon Tripsis' suggestion in the "I made Eagle Scout!" thread.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Knock yourself out, follow rules, don't flame, enjoy.

You know what I advise everyone to do. Do what I'm doing and sit down and read some scripture from all sorts of religions. The point is not to believe it, the point is to learn about the culture, the people, the beliefs, and the religion. I'm currently reading the Bhagavad Gita of Hinduism, and would love to read the Vedas and Upanishads of Hinduism. Apart from that I'd like to read the I Ching of Taoism, the Qur'an of Islam, finish the Bible, and read some Buddhist scripture, and even Jainism and Sikhism scripture, though they don't have particular scripture being part of the Dravidian Religions originating from Hinduism.

Excellent idea, Viktor. One of my friends from Secondary is doing the exact same thing, and he has a better outlook on religion in general than I do!

Yeah Vickie, the whole point of religion isn't even to believe in anything... Just as long as you learn about Geography and other cultures, what the hell else do you need?

Yeah Vickie, the whole point of religion isn't even to believe in anything... Just as long as you learn about Geography and other cultures, what the hell else do you need?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well excuse me for attempting to understanding another culture. A key way to understand another culture is to understand their religion, most cultures are very religious.

I think I've generally made it pretty clear that I have nothing in particular against religion, only a select few followers of religion 'x' who tend to reject all god given logic and reasoning. I'd say I've 'converted' my stace on religion from an agnostic to a plain non-theist. The natural world is more interesting to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: the only other thing that I would say that I hate about religion (again, this is more to do with the followers and not the religion itself) would be religous parents labelling thier children as a 'Muslim child' or a 'Catholic child' which inevitably becomes true through none of thier own choosing.

I'm curious, have any of you read The God Delusion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dawkins sets my thoughts out quite nicely in that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, in short i'm an atheist, and believe religion of all kinds is the root to a lot of problems in society today.

I'm curious, have any of you read The God Delusion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dawkins sets my thoughts out quite nicely in that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, in short i'm an atheist, and believe religion of all kinds is the root to a lot of problems in society today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I haven't read it but I have seen some videos of Dawkins and he seems like a smart guy. His views on religion tend to coincide with mine in many places. Another person whose views on religion I share would have to be Bill Hicks.

I'm curious, have any of you read The God Delusion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dawkins sets my thoughts out quite nicely in that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, in short i'm an atheist, and believe religion of all kinds is the root to a lot of problems in society today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I could say the same thing about "The Case for Christ." It was written by a man who ran an anti-religious column for 25 years.

I think Richard Dawkins is a mouth-breathing butt-muncher, but that's just me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've read segments of his book and have seen him do interviews, and nothing he says is new or revolutionary...I've seen better debate here, infact. Plus, he over-does it on the anti-God rhetoric. I remember one particular quote where he went on for like 20 words describing how God acted in the bible using words like "Malevolent", "dangerous", "racist" (umm?), "ethnic cleanser" (again, umm?), etc etc etc. He just kept going...For like 20 some words. Maybe more. I was like "Okay, I get the point. God isn't very pleasant..." only to be slammed in the head with MORE hateful words...I mean, a couple would have done it justice, but the way he did it just made him seem like an some dude with an anti-religion agenda, no matter how right his statements were.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I believe that any "disproving" of the Bible and/or God should be done without bias...I mean, it's quite simple to do when you use simple common sense. You don't need to use hate to do it.

Good attitude, Tigra. I believe the same for those who try to disprove anti-religious statements as well.

I'm curious, have any of you read The God Delusion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dawkins sets my thoughts out quite nicely in that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, in short i'm an atheist, and believe religion of all kinds is the root to a lot of problems in society today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

really? let me think, theres like 100000 laws in the united states that all just enforce 10 things. know what they are? the ten commandments. id say that if everyone followed them the world would be BETTER not worse?

 

I'm curious, have any of you read The God Delusion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dawkins sets my thoughts out quite nicely in that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, in short i'm an atheist, and believe religion of all kinds is the root to a lot of problems in society today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

really? let me think, theres like 100000 laws in the united states that all just enforce 10 things. know what they are? the ten commandments. id say that if everyone followed them the world would be BETTER not worse?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Keep no other Gods before me" and "Remember the Sabbath and Keep it Holy" are not exactly found anywhere in US laws. Nor should they. I'll give you the other 8.

 

 

I'm curious, have any of you read The God Delusion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dawkins sets my thoughts out quite nicely in that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, in short i'm an atheist, and believe religion of all kinds is the root to a lot of problems in society today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

really? let me think, theres like 100000 laws in the united states that all just enforce 10 things. know what they are? the ten commandments. id say that if everyone followed them the world would be BETTER not worse?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Keep no other Gods before me" and "Remember the Sabbath and Keep it Holy" are not exactly found anywhere in US laws. Nor should they. I'll give you the other 8.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you Catholic, by chance?

 

I'm curious, have any of you read The God Delusion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dawkins sets my thoughts out quite nicely in that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, in short i'm an atheist, and believe religion of all kinds is the root to a lot of problems in society today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

really? let me think, theres like 100000 laws in the united states that all just enforce 10 things. know what they are? the ten commandments. id say that if everyone followed them the world would be BETTER not worse?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In a perfect world. And communism also looks good on paper. What does that tell you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

People are evil. Millions of people HAVE been killed in the name of God and Jesus. Crusade's, anyone? And the only Christian excuse for it today is "Yea, but...Those aren't Christian views. That's not what Jesus taught.."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

True, but it still happened in the name of the religion.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I also find it quite humorous you think ALL laws are based around the ten commandments. I'll give you one example that obviously has nothing to do with anything remotely religious...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Bill Number H.R. 554 of the 109th Congressional Party, also known as the "Hamburger Bill", you can no longer sue fast food corperations for "making you fat".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You could argue, however, that it is lying, since obviously those people are responsible for their own actions...So...Lets go with...I dunno'...Anti-kiddie porn laws. That work for you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Are you Catholic, by chance?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No. I am Methodist, with Baptist fundamentalism.

 

I'm curious, have any of you read The God Delusion?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dawkins sets my thoughts out quite nicely in that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyway, in short i'm an atheist, and believe religion of all kinds is the root to a lot of problems in society today.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

really? let me think, theres like 100000 laws in the united states that all just enforce 10 things. know what they are? the ten commandments. id say that if everyone followed them the world would be BETTER not worse?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I sure hope you're not insinuating law started with Christianity.

 

 

 

"Keep no other Gods before me" and "Remember the Sabbath and Keep it Holy" are not exactly found anywhere in US laws. Nor should they. I'll give you the other 8.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yea my bad, didnt even think about those

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Bill Number H.R. 554 of the 109th Congressional Party, also known as the "Hamburger Bill", you can no longer sue fast food corperations for "making you fat".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i would think that would go under " bearing false witness" AKA lying.

 

 

 

 

"Keep no other Gods before me" and "Remember the Sabbath and Keep it Holy" are not exactly found anywhere in US laws. Nor should they. I'll give you the other 8.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

yea my bad, didnt even think about those

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

- Bill Number H.R. 554 of the 109th Congressional Party, also known as the "Hamburger Bill", you can no longer sue fast food corperations for "making you fat".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i would think that would go under " bearing false witness" AKA lying.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you only think that because I said it FOR you, or do you REALLY believe that? Of course, you'll say you really believe that...But I believe that if I never said that, you wouldn't have said it. I believe you to be bearing false witness currently. ;)

Hush Tigra, he got you GOOD with that one :P. Hoisted by thine own petard. :lol:

this topic is going to turn into a huge argument over religion soon...... :roll:

this topic is going to turn into a huge argument over religion soon...... :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That is the point.

this topic is going to turn into a huge argument over religion soon...... :roll:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Better in a topic about religious arguments than somewhere else.

Hush Tigra, he got you GOOD with that one :P. Hoisted by thine own petard. :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Like I said, everything should be unbiased...I looked at both sides of it immeidately and though "Well, maybe he'd think that falls under bearing false witness.." which you'd have to stretch to make it seem so, but yea.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I still got him on the kiddie pr0n laws!...I suppose you could stretch adultery, but...Ah screw it. I went to far into it, whereas you gave him two full-on commandments that have no laws for them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Don't blame me, I don't know all of 'em anyways. :P

Good job making the thread. It seems like whatever political discussion is going on, it all traces back to religion somehow. We might as well have a separate thread for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I myself am agnostic. I don't think there is a god, but I'm open to the idea that there's SOME kind of undiscovered power out there we haven't found yet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And I'd have to agree with the point that religion tends to cause most of our problems today. The religions themselves don't preach horrible things (although I do think some of it is idiotic), but followers of religions have a tendency to get... overzealous. Maybe humanity would just find something else to fight about; who knows.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I still think we'd be better off without it.