I was referring to the life of Jesus Christ.

I was referring to the life of Jesus Christ.

 

 

 

Ya, edited while you were posting^. It's not like we have any proof that he was the Son of God. In fact, it's been debated for millenia, so I don't think anyone can just say he's the Son of God, a saviour, and be right without a shadow of a doubt.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

For this reason, we can't really say if God really ever did anything when Jesus was alive. You can believe it, but that's your belief, not a fact worthy to be used as evidence in a proper debate.

Um, I'm an atheist. I don't believe Jesus was the Son of Man.

Um, I'm an atheist. I don't believe Jesus was the Son of Man.

 

 

 

Okay. Just wondering, if you don't believe that, why'd you say "for the past two thousand years"? Were you speaking to the Christians on this forum, saying that God hasn't been doing anything since Jesus was here? I doubt that would work; they'd just say "God has always been with us, and always will be with us", or some other crud like that :-w .

I meant that we haven't had any real proof of God existing since two thousand years ago, of which records aren't really all that great. You'd think that after going through all the trouble of saving us, he'd check up on us every once in a while. Rather rude of him, I think.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jesus returns!

I meant that we haven't had any real proof of God existing since two thousand years ago, of which records aren't really all that great. You'd think that after going through all the trouble of saving us, he'd check up on us every once in a while. Rather rude of him, I think.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jesus returns!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've seen several "mysterious ways" in which God works with. For one, my father has been looking for a new job for years. He stopped looking when my grandmother was ill. In his prayers, he told God that he would stop looking in order to take care of my grandmother to the very end. When we came home from her funeral, a job offer for Vice President was waiting in his inbox.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Today, we had a freak tornado system at my Uni. My mother lives 400 miles away, and had an instinct to call me to see if I was all right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just because God doesn't pop out and go "LOL, ITS ME!" every hundred years doesn't mean he isn't working.

 

I meant that we haven't had any real proof of God existing since two thousand years ago, of which records aren't really all that great. You'd think that after going through all the trouble of saving us, he'd check up on us every once in a while. Rather rude of him, I think.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jesus returns!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've seen several "mysterious ways" in which God works with. For one, my father has been looking for a new job for years. He stopped looking when my grandmother was ill. In his prayers, he told God that he would stop looking in order to take care of my grandmother to the very end. When we came home from her funeral, a job offer for Vice President was waiting in his inbox.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Today, we had a freak tornado system at my Uni. My mother lives 400 miles away, and had an instinct to call me to see if I was all right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just because God doesn't pop out and go "LOL, ITS ME!" every hundred years doesn't mean he isn't working.

 

 

 

See? Toldcha Continuum.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Me, Bari, I think Buddha did it.

Just because God doesn't pop out and go "LOL, ITS ME!" every hundred years doesn't mean he isn't working.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

LMAO!!! That's hilarious...almost sig worthy.

splatmster, i'll ignore all the other contradictions in the Bible that state that if you break any one of the laws even for a fraction of a second (i.e. keeping the Sabbath holy) then you're going to burn in hell for ever, or something (it's in Revelations, I forget the exact reference).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My question is, am I going to hell? I don't break laws but I have no faith. I suppose i'll get punished for that. Or do you not believe in hell? Cherry picker then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

no, as i said in an earlier post it doesent matter if you sin previosly, if you trust jesus as your savior and repent you will go to heaven. now why should you just sin away and say "oh, im going to heaven"? because if you really believe in god then you dont want to cause him pain by betraying his love. Yea, it sounds corny and what i just said will get picked apart by all of you, but thats the way it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

assasin, according to what i believe, yes, you will burn in hell. im sorry, you are a brother as a human and i hate that you might but unless you trust jesus..........................

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

make fun of me all you want but if no other mentality will make you listen, try this. better safe than sorry.

 

splatmster, i'll ignore all the other contradictions in the Bible that state that if you break any one of the laws even for a fraction of a second (i.e. keeping the Sabbath holy) then you're going to burn in hell for ever, or something (it's in Revelations, I forget the exact reference).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My question is, am I going to hell? I don't break laws but I have no faith. I suppose i'll get punished for that. Or do you not believe in hell? Cherry picker then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

no, as i said in an earlier post it doesent matter if you sin previosly, if you trust jesus as your savior and repent you will go to heaven. now why should you just sin away and say "oh, im going to heaven"? because if you really believe in god then you dont want to cause him pain by betraying his love. Yea, it sounds corny and what i just said will get picked apart by all of you, but thats the way it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

assasin, according to what i believe, yes, you will burn in hell. im sorry, you are a brother as a human and i hate that you might but unless you trust jesus..........................

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

make fun of me all you want but if no other mentality will make you listen, try this. better safe than sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's the kind of garbage that makes me dislike religion. Believe or perish. Lets weigh up this choice. Believe a book which was supposedly inspired by god with no real proof whatsoever but faith that we are supposed to have or end up in hell. Lovely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's a question to any theist who is willing to answer: we are supposed to have faith through the grace of god, correct? Well, so help me god, I've never seen this grace. Ever. And I don't just mean phisically either. Things like uncanny, fortunate, coincidental occurances just don't cut it for me, sorry. I'd rather see fortunate coincidental occurances blessed upon kids in Africa as they seem to have none. But do we ever see this? No, not really. Who, if anyone, ever helps these people? Well, we do. Through our charities and aid work, humans are the only ones which cause and solve all of our problems.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Believe or perish... I'd rather devote my life to what I can do for people, not what conclusion I can get for myself in any afterlife. This life is all I will ever know so I suppose I'll just keep doing whatever I know can make things better, not what I believe will.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry theists, rant over.

Over one half of all charities and aid given in Africa are by churches. How's that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At least we spend the money here, and take food and supplies there. Unlike the UN and it's "dump all the money on the governments of these nations" strategy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS: I've been on a mission to Honduras. Not once did we preach to those people, yet the villages we visited were strongly interested in hearing the Gospels upon our return. We saved the lives of 500 children needing medical care, provided health checkups, dental care, and other aide. In person.

Over one half of all charities and aid given in Africa are by churches. How's that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At least we spend the money here, and take food and supplies there. Unlike the UN and it's "dump all the money on the governments of these nations" strategy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS: I've been on a mission to Honduras. Not once did we preach to those people, yet the villages we visited were strongly interested in hearing the Gospels upon our return. We saved the lives of 500 children needing medical care, provided health checkups, dental care, and other aide. In person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, that's exactly the point I was getting at. People did that. People provide aid, people give to charities and people cause the problem. Where's god's grace in all of this? Can you answer the question in my previous post?

I'm glad your dad got a good job, Barihawk, but you only assume God did that. It could very-well be a coincidence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Now, I'm noone to just say I *know* it was a coincidence and nothing more, but, look at it this way...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A quick google search for Islamic forums is pretty easy to do. Go to one. You'll also see much of the same thing you just described; People praising Allah for good things that have happened to them. The same search for, say, a Hindu forum, could pull up the SAME results; Hindu's praising Krishna or whatever his name is...Or Shiva...Whoever they worship, for the good things that happen in their lives.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So who are you to say that your God is the only God, when others clearly have good things happening to them too and are praising THEIR God's for it? Keep in mind, these people don't believe in your God - they believe in theirs. For them to be rewarded by your God for praising another makes about as much sense as your God helping me when I don't believe in any God...Infact, it's probably worse. You'll probably say that theirs are coincidences? If so, I would love to know why THEIRS are, and yours is not.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Such is why religion, as a whole, makes itself unbelievable. EVERYONE *KNOWS* they are right and that their God helps them, but if that's the case, then ALL of those God's exist, and it's just a matter of who you want to worship. Whoever you worship will give you the respective rewards/punishments for your actions. If that's the case, which it obviously would have to be...Then I'm just not going to bother, because it's all a buncha' BS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If there was only one religion, I might actually think pretty hard about believing it. But, there are many. Why believe one when the followers of all of them praise their God for the good things that happen in life?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As we speak, I'm writing a threatening letter to State Farm Insurance Group because they denied my claim. Long story short, I'm going to ask The Flying Spaghetti Monster (cliche, I know, but I didn't want to make up my own God - too lazy!) to help me in this endevour. If my claim is accepted and I am paid in full, I can praise the flying The Flying Spaghetti Monster for helping me, yes? Yes. And I'm fairly positive that they will be paying me anyways, because I highly doubt they're going to risk losing my business and everyone I know's business over a measily $3,500.

And if they deny your claim and slap you with some extra charges, "the FSM works in mysterious ways."

And if they deny your claim and slap you with some extra charges, "the FSM works in mysterious ways."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Currently, I am not a customer of theirs. Their client hit me out-right and destroyed my car. I had the right of way, and he hit me when I was almost through the intersection...The reason they've denied my claim is that their was no signs on the road, meaning it was "noones fault". Personally, I find that irrelevent considering the circumstances. I was on a "main road" and the other guy was on a side-road, thus I had the right of way. He also hit me when I was almost all the way through, so I believe that cancels out the "no signs,noones fault" thing. The other guys OBVIOUSLY was not watching where he was going. I saw him, but knowing the rules of the road, knew I didn't have to stop for him. He obviously was less aware, which is funny, because I was 19, almost 20 at the time, and he was like 57. Aren't I supposed to be the one screwing everything up? :lol:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Anyways, I'm going to give them an ultumatim. Either pay me and gain me and my family as customers, seeing as it'd be apparent State Farm is open to negotiation, and my current company isn't, thus we're looking to switch...OR, they can deny me once again, and I'll have no problem putting up a nice little post on the website I write on and letting thousands of people know that they should never do business with a company that, even though they had 56 some billion dollars in profit last year, won't pay a guy the measily $3,500 they rightfully owe him, thus losing a lot of potential business. If they pay me, I will become a customer just because it's obvious that they are willing to work with people, AND they'd make their money back off me within a year or two anyways. I just kinda' need to $3,500 right NOW for a down-payment on a new car, and insurance on a car will make that back for them in about 1 or 2 years, depending on the car.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, they can either win-win, or they can lose-lose. They're a business, and I do believe they will see it my way. If they don't, they have no idea the Hell that I can bring upon them. Remember Maddox and the Orbitz fiasco? Yea, think about that. While I may not be able to reach as many people as he did initially, I would make sure that for the rest of my life I do nothing but slander State Farm for what they did. At this point, it isn't even about the money, it's about the principle - They made billions in profit yet have the audacity to deny $3,500 that they obviously owe someone? Sorry, not gonna' fly.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Plus, they're now spamming my e-mail address and my P.O. Box with business reply mails now that they have my information from the insurance claim. THAT is just wrong. Deny me, then ask for my business? Pfft.

I think one of the reasons some people choose to believe in religions is the fact that you go to heaven or hell when you die. It seems like a pretty comforting thought to know that when you leave this world you go to another place, where everything is perfect. We watch fantasy movies and know that they're fantasy, yet when we're told that we can be immersed in a fantastical place like heaven we believe it without question. Just seems odd to me. :| Imagine what it was like before you were born. Why is it so hard to believe that's what happens when you die?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't doubt for a minute that Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem, or that he was nailed to a cross. I do, however, find it hard to believe that he was locked in a cave for 3 days and rose from the dead. :-s

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If god does exist, surely he didn't give us incredibly complex brains just so that we would follow him like sheep.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If someone can give me some hard evidence, or just some evidence, I'll reconsider my piousness. Until then, I believe that the world was created by a freak reaction and that we are evolving to better suit our environment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, and I hate my neighbor.

 

 

splatmster, i'll ignore all the other contradictions in the Bible that state that if you break any one of the laws even for a fraction of a second (i.e. keeping the Sabbath holy) then you're going to burn in hell for ever, or something (it's in Revelations, I forget the exact reference).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

My question is, am I going to hell? I don't break laws but I have no faith. I suppose i'll get punished for that. Or do you not believe in hell? Cherry picker then.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

no, as i said in an earlier post it doesent matter if you sin previosly, if you trust jesus as your savior and repent you will go to heaven. now why should you just sin away and say "oh, im going to heaven"? because if you really believe in god then you dont want to cause him pain by betraying his love. Yea, it sounds corny and what i just said will get picked apart by all of you, but thats the way it is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

assasin, according to what i believe, yes, you will burn in hell. im sorry, you are a brother as a human and i hate that you might but unless you trust jesus..........................

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

make fun of me all you want but if no other mentality will make you listen, try this. better safe than sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's the kind of garbage that makes me dislike religion. Believe or perish. Lets weigh up this choice. Believe a book which was supposedly inspired by god with no real proof whatsoever but faith that we are supposed to have or end up in hell. Lovely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Here's a question to any theist who is willing to answer: we are supposed to have faith through the grace of god, correct? Well, so help me god, I've never seen this grace. Ever. And I don't just mean phisically either. Things like uncanny, fortunate, coincidental occurances just don't cut it for me, sorry. I'd rather see fortunate coincidental occurances blessed upon kids in Africa as they seem to have none. But do we ever see this? No, not really. Who, if anyone, ever helps these people? Well, we do. Through our charities and aid work, humans are the only ones which cause and solve all of our problems.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Believe or perish... I'd rather devote my life to what I can do for people, not what conclusion I can get for myself in any afterlife. This life is all I will ever know so I suppose I'll just keep doing whatever I know can make things better, not what I believe will.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry theists, rant over.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

i said it is what i believe, you dont have too. what if i believe fly purple elephants are taking over the world. you dont have to believe it.

 

Over one half of all charities and aid given in Africa are by churches. How's that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At least we spend the money here, and take food and supplies there. Unlike the UN and it's "dump all the money on the governments of these nations" strategy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS: I've been on a mission to Honduras. Not once did we preach to those people, yet the villages we visited were strongly interested in hearing the Gospels upon our return. We saved the lives of 500 children needing medical care, provided health checkups, dental care, and other aide. In person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, that's exactly the point I was getting at. People did that. People provide aid, people give to charities and people cause the problem. Where's god's grace in all of this? Can you answer the question in my previous post?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

God only interfered with mankind's evolution with the Covenant of Abraham. Since then, he has worked "Behind the Scenes" with the exception of Christ.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our punishment for the Original Sin was to be on our own. If God made everybody's life honky-dory, it would be the same as Him walking amongst us like the Garden. Everyone would just rely on God for everything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Instead, all those who follow God (no matter if you are Jewish, Islamic, Christian, whatever) must do the charity.

 

Over one half of all charities and aid given in Africa are by churches. How's that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

At least we spend the money here, and take food and supplies there. Unlike the UN and it's "dump all the money on the governments of these nations" strategy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

PS: I've been on a mission to Honduras. Not once did we preach to those people, yet the villages we visited were strongly interested in hearing the Gospels upon our return. We saved the lives of 500 children needing medical care, provided health checkups, dental care, and other aide. In person.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, that's exactly the point I was getting at. People did that. People provide aid, people give to charities and people cause the problem. Where's god's grace in all of this? Can you answer the question in my previous post?

 

 

 

Well I can't speak for everyone here, but I know that me personally, I give to charities a lot of the time through the Church, and in the name of God.

 

I'm not capitalising this because i'm angry or anything, it's just a point I want to stress.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I MAY NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO JUDGE SOMEONE'S ACTIONS BY ABSOLUTISTS MORALS IN THE ABSENCE OF A RELIGION, BUT I AM WELL WITHIN MY REASON TO JUDGE THEM BASED ON THE LAWS SET DOWN BY A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY BASED ON CONSEQUENTIALISM AND UTILITARIANISM.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We have to judge actions without one religion. Living in a multi-cultural society we cannot judge everyone's actions for practical purposes by absolutist religious morals.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1 Is someone also well within his reason to judge people based on laws set down at the personal whim of a despot, based on what he thinks is right and wrong? 2If there is no absolute morality, can you say that this is wrong, or that it is worse than your democratic/utilitarian system? 3You are certainly well within your reason to judge people on those democratic principles so long as they agree with those principles, but if they disagree, who are you to tell them that their system is wrong? 4There are no real morals to compare the two systems to, so both are equally man-made. How can you judge between the two?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Yes, but only within his reason. That doesn't necessarily mean that he is doing what is right and proper based on democratic and generally accepted laws.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2. Yes, I can. That's how democracy works, and utilitarianism.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

3. Wrong from who's perspective? It might not be to theirs, but it is for me. and the majority.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4. Utilitariansim.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Barihawk

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The New Testament, I will concede is a lot better than the morals and ethics of the Old Testament. Jesus was way ahead of his time, love thy neighbour is a brilliant concept with modern application. (Of course, back then it didn't mean quite that. In fact, Jesus limited his in group of "neighbours" to mean fellow Jews.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But that's the whole point isn't it? Jesus didn't dervive his morality from the scripture, he deliberately went against a lot of the original teachings. So clearly, he didn't need to get his morality from God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, the whole idea of Jesus dying for original sin cheeses me off a bit. The fact that the eating of the forbidden fruit was supposedly passed down the line of males through their semen (according to St. Augustine, apparently an expert on sin). So according to Christian ethical philosophy, every child is condemned to inherit the sin of a remote ancestor (who didn't exist). If Jesus was the redeemer of all sins, as God incarnate, isn't he redeeming all future sins, whether or not we decide to commit them? What happened to free will? If God wanted to forgive our sins, why not just do it? Without condemning future generations of Jews to persecution as "Christ-Killers". Oops.

Jesus was way ahead of his time, love thy neighbour is a brilliant concept with modern application.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How can you be ahead of your time if you are God?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Of course, back then it didn't mean quite that. In fact, Jesus limited his in group of "neighbours" to mean fellow Jews.)

 

 

 

I am curious where you came up with this statement. I have never read anything of the sort concerning Jesus saying love your neighbor as yourself only applying to fellow Jews. I would like to know your reference for this statement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you read in the Bible about Jesus he helped people that were not Jews and he also shared his message with them. Heck, he died for them also... John chapter 4 is a reference if you want of Jesus conversing with a Samaritan woman. (Jews stayed away from Samaritans and she was really surprised he even started talking to her)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But that's the whole point isn't it? Jesus didn't dervive his morality from the scripture, he deliberately went against a lot of the original teachings. So clearly, he didn't need to get his morality from God.

 

 

 

He got his morality from God because he IS God. He also said he didn't come to change the law, he just came to fulfill it. The whole old Testament is setting the stage for Jesus coming. All the sacrifices and everything else were symbolic of his sacrifice for us. Once he payed that sacrifice then there wasn't any need to continue sacrificing. There wasn't a need to continue a lot of that stuff after Jesus came because him coming and dying and his message fulfilled a lot of it.

 

Jesus was way ahead of his time, love thy neighbour is a brilliant concept with modern application.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

How can you be ahead of your time if you are God?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Of course, back then it didn't mean quite that. In fact, Jesus limited his in group of "neighbours" to mean fellow Jews.)

 

 

 

I am curious where you came up with this statement. I have never read anything of the sort concerning Jesus saying love your neighbor as yourself only applying to fellow Jews. I would like to know your reference for this statement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you read in the Bible about Jesus he helped people that were not Jews and he also shared his message with them. Heck, he died for them also... John chapter 4 is a reference if you want of Jesus conversing with a Samaritan woman. (Jews stayed away from Samaritans and she was really surprised he even started talking to her)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But that's the whole point isn't it? Jesus didn't dervive his morality from the scripture, he deliberately went against a lot of the original teachings. So clearly, he didn't need to get his morality from God.

 

 

 

He got his morality from God because he IS God. He also said he didn't come to change the law, he just came to fulfill it. The whole old Testament is setting the stage for Jesus coming. All the sacrifices and everything else were symbolic of his sacrifice for us. Once he payed that sacrifice then there wasn't any need to continue sacrificing. There wasn't a need to continue a lot of that stuff after Jesus came because him coming and dying and his message fulfilled a lot of it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In response to my source:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.lrainc.com/swtaboo/taboos/ltn01.html

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not denying the modern application is a lot better, but why do we need religion to love our neighbour? In the Old Testament God taught us to make war on neighbouring tribes, to keep the chosen ones pure as a race, to conquer other tribes. Then he goes and contradicts himself straight off in the New Testament. Funny for an omniscient and omnipotent being to do that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

As for the rest of your statement, the old "he got his morality from God because he is God" holds no sway with me.

Jesus often apparently refered to God as "My Father". Sooo, unless you're going to claim that God is capable of being deceiving, I'm going to go with Jesus wasn't God incarnate. They both had the whole "Holy Spirit" thing goin' for 'em, but they were not the same being as you're apparently trying to claim. It's like saying that I am my father because I have his genes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Barihawk

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The New Testament, I will concede is a lot better than the morals and ethics of the Old Testament. Jesus was way ahead of his time, love thy neighbour is a brilliant concept with modern application. (Of course, back then it didn't mean quite that. In fact, Jesus limited his in group of "neighbours" to mean fellow Jews.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

But that's the whole point isn't it? Jesus didn't dervive his morality from the scripture, he deliberately went against a lot of the original teachings. So clearly, he didn't need to get his morality from God.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Also, the whole idea of Jesus dying for original sin cheeses me off a bit. The fact that the eating of the forbidden fruit was supposedly passed down the line of males through their semen (according to St. Augustine, apparently an expert on sin). So according to Christian ethical philosophy, every child is condemned to inherit the sin of a remote ancestor (who didn't exist). If Jesus was the redeemer of all sins, as God incarnate, isn't he redeeming all future sins, whether or not we decide to commit them? What happened to free will? If God wanted to forgive our sins, why not just do it? Without condemning future generations of Jews to persecution as "Christ-Killers". Oops.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

First off: Any Christian who dares call a Jew a "Christ-Killer" needs to get the Hell out of our faith. Christ was a Jew, all the disciples were Jews, the Early Church were Jews, and by all rites of birth I can be considered Jewish. All Christians are Messianic Jews. If someone blames the Jews for killing Christ AFTER IT'S FREAKING PROPHECIZED BY 4 MAJOR PROPHETS, then they are ignorant morons.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Second: Original sin still exists. The method of appeasing it has changed. By believing that Christ died on the Cross as our scapegoat, original sin is not an issue.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You say Christ went against the earlier teachings. That was God's way of saying "I gave you those laws for a reason, but you have taken them too far." Christ was the Ammendum to the laws layed out in Deuteronomy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And in closing, any idiot who says Jews are Christ-Killers knows jack-crap about Christianity, and is nothing but a bigot.

wall: Well, all I can add to this debate is that; Religion gives people hope in an after life, it can heal you physically/ mentally, and you can go around saying I love GOD<>.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Christianity to me does not make sense, for simple reasons tbh> the whole concept of it is that GOD, JESUS and the holy spirit decided to make some humans to entertain themselves, and for them to worship them. I just don't like that idea, but oh well if i am going to hell, IÃÆââââ¬Å¡Ã¬Ã¢ââ¬Å¾Ã¢ll be there with some interesting people :-w

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if i do stand before GOD, i can just say that i never asked him to make me in the first place.. so what the hell..