Alching/Dropping Rares: acceptable practice?

[vitaoma]

What you think about it?

 

 

 

Before you answer let me tell you an history:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the year of 1929, the Stock Market crashed, and that caused a ripple effect throughout the world.

 

 

 

Here in Brazil the government bought all the coffee they could from the coffee farmers and put it all into a fire.

 

 

 

Then I asked my teacher why they did that. He said that if they didn't do that, the value for coffee would have went down too much, causing a bigger problem.

 

 

 

((Basically, the coffee is oversupplied, and there is not enough demand, therefore the prices fall. By the government buying it, he made supply equal demand. A similar thing happened with most agricultural products in the United States as well.))

 

 

 

In 1929, there wasn't a way to stock coffee for a long period of time, but in RuneScape there is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So do you think it is acceptable?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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TY mchainmail for helping me with English

[salim123]

i think u r talking about the boston tea party

 

 

 

and it happened because the british were jelous that the indians were taking all their buisness

[Duke_Freedom]

The high alching or dropping of rares does not have large effects on the economy of the game at all... And while the comparison of rares to stocks in nice in an upgoing stock market you can certainly not compare a crash of the stock market with a drop in the amount of rares due to people high alching them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In short, the effect of people high alching or dropping rares is minimal.

[mchainmail]

What you think about it?

 

 

 

Before you answer let me tell you a little history:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the year of 1929, the Stock Market crashed, and that caused a ripple effect throughout the world.

 

 

 

Here in Brazil the government bought all the coffee they could from the coffee farmers and put it all into a fire.

 

 

 

Then I asked my teacher why they did that. He said that if they didn't do that, the value for coffee would have went down too much, causing a bigger problem.

 

 

 

((Basically, the coffee is oversupplied, and there is not enough demand, therefore the prices fall. By the government buying it, he made supply equal demand. A similar thing happened with most agricultural products in the United States as well.))

 

 

 

In 1929, there wasn't a way to stock coffee for a long period of time, but in RuneScape there is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So do you think it is acceptable?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I have nothing against you, I'm just suggesting the englishified version of some things, to aid in debate.

[madom0]

most things like sara and stuff high alch for the price of normal rune, so its kinda dumb to alch them when you could just alch normal rune stuff!

[Gin_and_Tonic]

most things like sara and stuff high alch for the price of normal rune, so its kinda dumb to alch them when you could just alch normal rune stuff!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Erm.. He means 'rare' items... Discontinued items.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I personally dont see whats wrong with it...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If a wealthy player is quitting, what difference does it make if he drops them, or they just sit in his bank?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No one is going to get them... They become inactive.

[vitaoma]

What you think about it?

 

 

 

Before you answer let me tell you a little history:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the year of 1929, the Stock Market crashed, and that caused a ripple effect throughout the world.

 

 

 

Here in Brazil the government bought all the coffee they could from the coffee farmers and put it all into a fire.

 

 

 

Then I asked my teacher why they did that. He said that if they didn't do that, the value for coffee would have went down too much, causing a bigger problem.

 

 

 

((Basically, the coffee is oversupplied, and there is not enough demand, therefore the prices fall. By the government buying it, he made supply equal demand. A similar thing happened with most agricultural products in the United States as well.))

 

 

 

In 1929, there wasn't a way to stock coffee for a long period of time, but in RuneScape there is.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So do you think it is acceptable?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I have nothing against you, I'm just suggesting the englishified version of some things, to aid in debate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ty guy I am gonna do that.

[Giordano]

I don't think one party hat being alch'ed is going to change the economy that much. 1/500(?) isn't going to change that much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unless if a guy got 50 and alch'ed them all, then we got a problem.

[vitaoma]

I don't think one party hat being alch'ed is going to change the economy that much. 1/500(?) isn't going to change that much.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Unless if a guy got 50 and alch'ed them all, then we got a problem.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah. 50 less nats in economy. :D

[Ginger_Warrior]

You can't really compare rares in RS to the World Depression.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you ask me, trading things for 500Mgp is an unnacceptable practise in itself...

[Greedom1]

Erm - alching/dropping rares isn't really something we can argue about here. Rares are not the driving force behind the RS economy, but rather their value is derived from it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you're talking about the rare market, then of course "burning" or alching/dropping will have an effect. However, one person alching a phat will not change the value of coal/yews/etc. in game.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would have more to add but this thread is clearly going south in a big way soon.

[Makoto_the_Phoenix]

Warning: I'm going to get preachy. Stop reading here if you don't want to listen to a sermon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think I'd utter nary whimper nor whine if all rares were dropped, alchemized or destroyed by some other means. It's unethical as is to be trading entire game earnings of a player for ONE item anyway, nor do I think it is ethical that thousands of players lucked out on these drops and are now hoarding them for value. Kind of seems really jacked up to the guy that didn't come online until that happened...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also feel that this causes a rift between player "classes". Most people that played in Classic would agree that 'wealthy' meant having at least 750K in their bank and a combat set of Rune on free. Nowadays, you're considered very poor if you have just that in your bank, anywhere. After the partyhat economy exploded after RS2 release, things became really strange...prices went up higher than they ever should have been, not for a fun and novelty item.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess you could say that I do think it is acceptable. No sense in letting one group of very lucky players hoard every ounce of wealth, now does it?

[Greedom1]

Warning: I'm going to get preachy. Stop reading here if you don't want to listen to a sermon.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't think I'd utter nary whimper nor whine if all rares were dropped, alchemized or destroyed by some other means. It's unethical as is to be trading entire game earnings of a player for ONE item anyway, nor do I think it is ethical that thousands of players lucked out on these drops and are now hoarding them for value. Kind of seems really jacked up to the guy that didn't come online until that happened...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I also feel that this causes a rift between player "classes". Most people that played in Classic would agree that 'wealthy' meant having at least 750K in their bank and a combat set of Rune on free. Nowadays, you're considered very poor if you have just that in your bank, anywhere. After the partyhat economy exploded after RS2 release, things became really strange...prices went up higher than they ever should have been, not for a fun and novelty item.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I guess you could say that I do think it is acceptable. No sense in letting one group of very lucky players hoard every ounce of wealth, now does it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

+1.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Off-topic, but your point about "classes" in a way could be also extended to those who played the game early and often... leveling up certain skills (smithing) and earning millions in the process. This of course is back when a phat went for about the same cost as a rune baxe.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I do agree with you, but any game (or even any business endeavor) favors the early participants. Early skills were created by persistence, stupidity (the graphics in RSC were awful ffs!), and of course a bit of luck.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rares are a bit of a stretch though at this point given their value. I will say that they're a bit of "insult to injury" now all things being considered. They make an uneven playing field even more uneven as they don't reward patience or solid gaming, but rather a moment in time back whenever. However, clearly Jagex is okay with this, and it does create a new wrinkle for many players in the game. Though it does encourage players to stomp those beneath them (staking) to attain a boatload of money to purchase one of these pretty little phats.

[Solidus_77]

People often compare rares to the stock market goods, but it simply doesn't work!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What is a rare from an economic point of view?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

It's a good for which the supply CANNOT be increased.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Can the supply of tea be increased? Of course it can, same for all the other goods that were having problems at the time. Therefore already your comparison fails.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Other things that apply for the real world and do not apply for runescape as well. So comparing based on these things do not work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What kind of goods in the real work are equivalent to phat? I see famous paintings as such, the supply is limited, cannot increase and the demand has even significantly increased over the years

[Alg]

the main fact is that most claims of alching or dropping rares is false, or done on a private server.

 

it's price manipulation, which is against the rules if i'm not mistaken

 

even if it isn't in reality, it is in this game

[qeltar]

I personally hate rares. I think their presence leads to all sorts of problems in the game.

 

 

 

I bought my first rare today -- an easter egg. I'm eating it at an Easter Egg lunch on Sunday.

 

 

 

I don't expect anyone to follow my example, but it shows my views on the subject. ;)

 

 

 

~q

[Kenshinjapan]

It actually doesn't relate to real life at all. People can twist it and make it seem like rares 'control" the market. Unlike real life, if a phat is alced, nothing will happen but taking 1 item out of the game. Not going to cause everything else to change price but maybe that certain rare (if you have huge proof of you doing it).

[Daviduhlich]

alching rares is different from your example in that there was a single entity that was able to buy/destroy enough coffee to have an impact on the price, and we don't really have that here in runescape.

[-Devoted12-]

I personally hate rares. I think their presence leads to all sorts of problems in the game.

 

 

 

I bought my first rare today -- an easter egg. I'm eating it at an Easter Egg lunch on Sunday.

 

 

 

I don't expect anyone to follow my example, but it shows my views on the subject. ;)

 

 

 

~q

 

*Quickly forks up the money and goes and buys an easter egg! The prices are going to soar! One whole easter egg eaten*

 

~LOL~

 

 

 

I could really not care less about any of the items anymore. I personally think it is stupid for me to pour my whole RuneScape career to show wealth. Having a fun time is more important to me. After all, if I was no longer having fun in this game, what would be the point in playing? It seems that kid's will put their heart and sould into this game to get a pixel hat and whatnot. At the same time, they usually aren't having any fun. They think it will pay off in the end, and it usually doesn't. They feel that it was totally worthless. That's just my opinion on the subject. Back in classic, they were viewed a lot differently than they are now. Back then if you liked the look of them, you would try and raise a million gp rather than a half a billion in order to get this sweet object. Now-a-days, the only reason people really want them is to show off their wealth. They are entitled to that freedom, but it just seems ridiculous to me.

[qeltar]

 

I could really not care less about any of the items anymore. I personally think it is stupid for me to pour my whole RuneScape career to show wealth. Having a fun time is more important to me.

 

 

Exactly how I feel.. that's why I am eating the egg.. it's a statement against rares.

 

 

 

~q

[Alg]

 

I could really not care less about any of the items anymore. I personally think it is stupid for me to pour my whole RuneScape career to show wealth. Having a fun time is more important to me.

 

 

Exactly how I feel.. that's why I am eating the egg.. it's a statement against rares.

 

 

 

~q

 

as ironic as it may be, you really shouldn't...

 

sell it and get guthans or something like that if you still have it

 

 

 

on topic, rares should just be made non-tradeable. it would end the suffering caused by them. so what if it causes thousands quitting and three or four days of anarchy, it would be a lot more peaceful without the rare merchants

[qeltar]

Well, I had to postpone my "Easter egg lunch" but I still plan to do it. And why not? It's food, isn't it? :)

 

 

 

I agree that they should be made untradeable.

 

 

 

~q

[warren211]

i think u r talking about the boston tea party

 

and it happened because the british were jelous that the indians were taking all their buisness

 

 

 

Uhh... dude think you might wanna get your facts straight.

[warren211]

I think destroying rares is perfectly acceptable. Once you buy the item, its yours. Feel free to burn it, dissolve it, or eat it. In this case, alching or dropping is ok. Of course, there are few people willing to do it because their work for that money is wasted just to bring 1 hat out of the game. and of course dropping doesn't help. a noob picks it up and brings it right back into the heat of economics by selling it.

[highlanders]

Its their rares, they do whatever insane things they want to do with them ;P